Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds

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First time player. Just wondering if they r typically in the game

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reggie stocker aka bonds has been, some guys think theres a conspiracy against steroid guys....in reality theres a ton of cheaters in this game so who cares

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Guys that have been more or less forthcoming since the Mitchell report are in, the others not. So it’s not impossible we see a Pettite in future years, for example. Notorious jerks and/or deniers are not: Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens…

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@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

Guys that have been more or less forthcoming since the Mitchell report are in, the others not. So it’s not impossible we see a Pettite in future years, for example. Notorious jerks and/or deniers are not: Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens…

yet weve had albert belle and piazza

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@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

Guys that have been more or less forthcoming since the Mitchell report are in, the others not. So it’s not impossible we see a Pettite in future years, for example. Notorious jerks and/or deniers are not: Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens…

yet weve had albert belle and piazza

Belle and Piazza weren’t in the Mitchell report

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@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

Guys that have been more or less forthcoming since the Mitchell report are in, the others not. So it’s not impossible we see a Pettite in future years, for example. Notorious jerks and/or deniers are not: Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens…

yet weve had albert belle and piazza

Belle and Piazza weren’t in the Mitchell report

No but Gagne, Sheffield, Justice, Brian Roberts, Troy Glaus and formerly in the game Benito Santiago, Rick Ankiel, Matt Williams and Lenny Dykstra were

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@the_dragon1912 said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

Guys that have been more or less forthcoming since the Mitchell report are in, the others not. So it’s not impossible we see a Pettite in future years, for example. Notorious jerks and/or deniers are not: Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens…

yet weve had albert belle and piazza

Belle and Piazza weren’t in the Mitchell report

No but Gagne, Sheffield, Justice, Brian Roberts, Troy Glaus and formerly in the game Benito Santiago, Rick Ankiel, Matt Williams and Lenny Dykstra were

Exactly, that’s my point. Notorious deniers and jerks/bullies about it are not in. I think also if they haven’t impacted the record book, they’re more likely to be in. And Dykstra’s legal troubles won’t help. The guys the OP mentioned are poster boys. I wonder if Arod being involved with MLB as a broadcaster will help him one day

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German, Osuna and Chapman> Mcgwire, Bonds and Sosa. Therefore, morality is not a good reason

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@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

German, Osuna and Chapman> Mcgwire, Bonds and Sosa. Therefore, morality is not a good reason

We’re talking PED here, not legal issues. Those guys were clearly users but live(d) in denial AND obliterated the record book, which baseball has always kept in high regard compared to other sports.

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They allowed notorious amphetamine user Hank Aaron, so ...

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@savefarris_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

They allowed notorious amphetamine user Hank Aaron, so ...

And also alcoholics, drug users, wife beaters… so?

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@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

reggie stocker aka bonds has been, some guys think theres a conspiracy against steroid guys....in reality theres a ton of cheaters in this game so who cares

A lot do.
Yeah, they cheated but Bonds and maybe McGwire didn't need them to be great.
Didn't Bonds win a couple of MVP's w/o steroids?

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@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

German, Osuna and Chapman> Mcgwire, Bonds and Sosa. Therefore, morality is not a good reason

We’re talking PED here, not legal issues. Those guys were clearly users but live(d) in denial AND obliterated the record book, which baseball has always kept in high regard compared to other sports.

Ummm. A man obliterating his wife/gf>player obliterating a record book.

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Imagine comparing active players to retired players when it comes to in game representation

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@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

German, Osuna and Chapman> Mcgwire, Bonds and Sosa. Therefore, morality is not a good reason

We’re talking PED here, not legal issues. Those guys were clearly users but live(d) in denial AND obliterated the record book, which baseball has always kept in high regard compared to other sports.

Ummm. A man obliterating his wife/gf>player obliterating a record book.

I’m not expressing my personal views here, just discussing why these guys are on some kind of unofficial black list from MLB, and absent from the game. I don’t understand what your point is or how it relates to the OP’s question.

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@thegoaler_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

reggie stocker aka bonds has been, some guys think theres a conspiracy against steroid guys....in reality theres a ton of cheaters in this game so who cares

A lot do.
Yeah, they cheated but Bonds and maybe McGwire didn't need them to be great.
Didn't Bonds win a couple of MVP's w/o steroids?

Yep he did, but he got jealous of Sosa/Big Mac and decided to do it too. He probably would have gotten more stolen bases and been a defensive factor longer had he not, maybe. Back in the mid-90s the debate was who was better, Bonds or Junior. Jr had more HRs and played a more important position at a high level, but Bonds did everything well, like stealing and walks. Now personality, you had “The Kid” vs Darth Vader lol

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@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

German, Osuna and Chapman> Mcgwire, Bonds and Sosa. Therefore, morality is not a good reason

We’re talking PED here, not legal issues. Those guys were clearly users but live(d) in denial AND obliterated the record book, which baseball has always kept in high regard compared to other sports.

Ummm. A man obliterating his wife/gf>player obliterating a record book.

I’m not expressing my personal views here, just discussing why these guys are on some kind of unofficial black list from MLB, and absent from the game. I don’t understand what your point is or how it relates to the OP’s question.

My point is, I think the morals are in the wrong place for keeping guys out of the game over steroids. Guys who were never suspended but are guilty in the court of public opinion, for sure. Yet at the same time putting people in the game who have been suspended over domestic violence. Guys that were investigated and found guilty by MLB. I find it to be hypocritical.

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@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@coachbelichuck said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

German, Osuna and Chapman> Mcgwire, Bonds and Sosa. Therefore, morality is not a good reason

We’re talking PED here, not legal issues. Those guys were clearly users but live(d) in denial AND obliterated the record book, which baseball has always kept in high regard compared to other sports.

Ummm. A man obliterating his wife/gf>player obliterating a record book.

I’m not expressing my personal views here, just discussing why these guys are on some kind of unofficial black list from MLB, and absent from the game. I don’t understand what your point is or how it relates to the OP’s question.

My point is, I think they're morals are in the wrong place for keeping guys out of the game over steroids. Guys who were never suspended but are guilty in the court of public opinion, for sure. Yet at the same time putting people in the game who have been suspended over domestic violence. Guys that were investigated and found guilty by MLB. I find it to be hypocritical.

Not disputing that, but they’re part of the Association and there’s a deal in place; pretty much out of their hands. It’s like unions, they have to represent/defend their members even if they know they’re grossly incompetent.

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@the_dragon1912 said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

Guys that have been more or less forthcoming since the Mitchell report are in, the others not. So it’s not impossible we see a Pettite in future years, for example. Notorious jerks and/or deniers are not: Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens…

yet weve had albert belle and piazza

Belle and Piazza weren’t in the Mitchell report

No but Gagne, Sheffield, Justice, Brian Roberts, Troy Glaus and formerly in the game Benito Santiago, Rick Ankiel, Matt Williams and Lenny Dykstra were

belles an asshole and piazza is a known steroid user he just never got popped on a test

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@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@the_dragon1912 said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@greenbuk75_mlbts said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

@yankblan_psn said in Is there ever a Sosa, McGwire or bonds:

Guys that have been more or less forthcoming since the Mitchell report are in, the others not. So it’s not impossible we see a Pettite in future years, for example. Notorious jerks and/or deniers are not: Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Clemens…

yet weve had albert belle and piazza

Belle and Piazza weren’t in the Mitchell report

No but Gagne, Sheffield, Justice, Brian Roberts, Troy Glaus and formerly in the game Benito Santiago, Rick Ankiel, Matt Williams and Lenny Dykstra were

belles an asshole and piazza is a known steroid user he just never got popped on a test

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As far as people being assholes and cheaters, I’d rather have them then the wife beaters and racists.