Ran into another zen user a while ago
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil. Why can't it eliminate the PAR? My guess is that it does.
Dude it can't change the code in the game. It can however give you a perfect perfect every time allowing for dots. I again put the ball where i want and have no zen. It is the system you are arguing about and not the zen. . Mods for console games are dang near impossible to do. This isn't pc.. You have answered this a thousand times and you just aren't willing to see it. You said he put the ball where he wanted. You didn't say he threw a dot on the corner every single pitch.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil. Why can't it eliminate the PAR? My guess is that it does.
Dude it can't change the code in the game. It can however give you a perfect perfect every time allowing for dots. I again put the ball where i want and have no zen. It is the system you are arguing about and not the zen. . Mods for console games are dang near impossible to do. This isn't pc.. You have answered this a thousand times and you just aren't willing to see it. You said he put the ball where he wanted. You didn't say he threw a dot on the corner every single pitch.
I really don't think you comprehend. I just gave you an example of a zen working around the coding in a game. Do you not think shooters are infested with Titans, zen, etc? If they didn't work, people wouldn't use them. To me, the PAR is similar to the recoil. Both are coded into the game but zen eliminates the recoil in shooters.
When he needed a strike, it was on the black or corner with every pitch. Again for like the 3rd time, you are saying you can put all of Ryan's pitches on the black or corner whenever you want? If so, you are playing a different game. For example, someone's PAR is a quarter of the zone (a pitch with bad control). If I hit it perfect it will go in that PAR but not be on the black or in the corner every time. That is what the PAR system is designed to do. If I am missing something and you can put the ball on the black or corner every time, I would like to know what it is. It isn't making a perfect pinpoint pitch. Not on my game.
I'll ask @nash_524_PSN. Nash - If you go into custom practice with Nolan Ryan, can you put all pitches on the black or corner? In the PAR region on a perfect, yes. On the black and corner every time, very doubtful.
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Zens don’t “put it wherever they want” unless you’ve tanked down to the 200s again.
Zens can perform the PP everytime and the result is the PAR. It’s not different, it’s exactly the same.
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Do yourself a favor and turn off cross play off you are on PS4.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil. Why can't it eliminate the PAR? My guess is that it does.
Again clueless, COD guns each have their own recoil which are exactly the same every time, the zen sends signals to the controller to eliminate the recoil, it doesnt remove recoil from the game dude, it fights it so it remains steady and the gun shoots straight. You choose the gun you use, and the zen sends the signals for that specific gun.
Your ignorance is unwavering
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Just played a game and guy hit a bunch of homeruns. He must have hacked the game with his Zen and given himself 250 power.
He also did something to turn my fielders into 0 attribute players because I dropped it once. Stupid zens.
I just played again a guy with a zen who is hacking my packs, I didn’t get a Diamond.
All equally good arguments.
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@charterbus_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil. Why can't it eliminate the PAR? My guess is that it does.
Again clueless, COD guns each have their own recoil which are exactly the same every time, the zen sends signals to the controller to eliminate the recoil, it doesnt remove recoil from the game dude, it fights it so it remains steady and the gun shoots straight. You choose the gun you use, and the zen sends the signals for that specific gun.
Your ignorance is unwavering
You just reiterated what I said yet I am the ignorant one. Got ya! I said in my post it eliminates recoil. This is what I said, "Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil." Why wouldn't it eliminate the PAR? Fair question if you ask me.
I'm starting to think people don't want this brought up because they are using it and are fearful of losing their crutch.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
The pulse circle and the par circle is the exact same thing. The timing on pulse is more difficult for sure, but no other input method shows you the actual par circle.
SDS introduced par this year because, in part, pulse (par, same thing), was the most consistent and people need to be rewarded for their good inputs.
The entire point of my post is that us pulse users know how to dot pitches with our pitchers, as there is a method to the madness.
Oswalt FB's go exactly in the center of the circle, every time. But if you try to dot the bottom left corner with Oswalt's slider, it's going to end up a few inches in the zone and get crushed, thus you have to aim a few inches outside of the zone for dots. Valenzuela changeups end up at the top right of the circle, every time, etc. etc. etc.
You can't control that with zen, thus it's just not that good, and not able to dot corners. There aren't enough variables in the software to account for all pitchers, and their tendencies.
I don't know if you've seen the PAR for PPP, but it is significantly smaller than Pulse. So if someone is using a zen to get perfect inputs consistently, it will be much more accurate than you with pulse pitching.
For Oswalt there is basically no PAR for his fastball on PPP, and every secondary pitch has a smaller PAR than using Pulse.
That's why it's a problem on HOF or legend. Cheating to use the pitching mechanic with the smallest amount of RNG makes hitting against it a nightmare. If you are using a high K/9 and H/9 pitcher with high confidence, even with perfect swing inputs, you are going to get dinged because the pitcher is high confidence and made a perfect input as well.
Thankfully at least there is a downside sorry when trying to field the ball of you have a zen active. I would imagine you can't switch off the script far enough to not have your fielding messed with.
It's not significantly smaller, it might just be more difficult to get the circle that small on pulse.
It's literally the same thing, per the devs, per a live stream, so it's not an argument my friend
Very first feature Premier on Pitching and Hitting @ 33:30 Ramone clearly states with perfect input the new Pinpoint Pitching is the most accurate control.
So no, per the Devs, pulse is not as accurate as Pinpoint. Your Pulse PAR circle does not go as small as PAR with Pinpoint because pinpoint is more precise.
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@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
The pulse circle and the par circle is the exact same thing. The timing on pulse is more difficult for sure, but no other input method shows you the actual par circle.
SDS introduced par this year because, in part, pulse (par, same thing), was the most consistent and people need to be rewarded for their good inputs.
The entire point of my post is that us pulse users know how to dot pitches with our pitchers, as there is a method to the madness.
Oswalt FB's go exactly in the center of the circle, every time. But if you try to dot the bottom left corner with Oswalt's slider, it's going to end up a few inches in the zone and get crushed, thus you have to aim a few inches outside of the zone for dots. Valenzuela changeups end up at the top right of the circle, every time, etc. etc. etc.
You can't control that with zen, thus it's just not that good, and not able to dot corners. There aren't enough variables in the software to account for all pitchers, and their tendencies.
I don't know if you've seen the PAR for PPP, but it is significantly smaller than Pulse. So if someone is using a zen to get perfect inputs consistently, it will be much more accurate than you with pulse pitching.
For Oswalt there is basically no PAR for his fastball on PPP, and every secondary pitch has a smaller PAR than using Pulse.
That's why it's a problem on HOF or legend. Cheating to use the pitching mechanic with the smallest amount of RNG makes hitting against it a nightmare. If you are using a high K/9 and H/9 pitcher with high confidence, even with perfect swing inputs, you are going to get dinged because the pitcher is high confidence and made a perfect input as well.
Thankfully at least there is a downside sorry when trying to field the ball of you have a zen active. I would imagine you can't switch off the script far enough to not have your fielding messed with.
It's not significantly smaller, it might just be more difficult to get the circle that small on pulse.
It's literally the same thing, per the devs, per a live stream, so it's not an argument my friend
Very first feature Premier on Pitching and Hitting @ 33:30 Ramone clearly states with perfect input the new Pinpoint Pitching is the most accurate control.
So no, per the Devs, pulse is not as accurate as Pinpoint. Your Pulse PAR circle does not go as small as PAR with Pinpoint because pinpoint is more precise.
In order of PAR perfecto accuracy...
PPP
Meter
Analog
Pulse
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oh what meter is more accurate than analog? that seems wrong to me... no?
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@darthvaderlight3_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
oh what meter is more accurate than analog? that seems wrong to me... no?
It's not. The original streams are still up to watch if needed.
I'm not going to argue with people about Analog v Meter and which is harder.
This is how it works though.
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@darthvaderlight3_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
oh what meter is more accurate than analog? that seems wrong to me... no?
Their explanation is both pure analog and meter have the same miss potential on the timing aspect. So miss early ball goes high,miss late ball goes low. They said the miss penalty is bigger with meter, so it has a smaller PAR for this reason.
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If someone has to cheat to win a h2h video game, what does it say about them and their life?
They would take the loss much more personally than you would/should.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I was wondering how half my opponents in World Series can bust me inside with two cutters and then put the sinker on the black automatically.
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@misfits_138_1_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
If someone has to cheat to win a h2h video game, what does it say about them and their life?
They would take the loss much more personally than you would/should.
Have pity on these people. It's obviously all they have.These days there is actually more at stake in online gaming. You get in game currency for having success and more importantly clout can be gained which equals viewers and money.
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I have one question, and it has nothing to do with going against anything you said. Why don’t you adjust to the pitcher and sit on one of the pictures if not both? Does this Zen device prevent you from being able to hit the ball as well?
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@bostondirtdog21 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
I have one question, and it has nothing to do with going against anything you said. Why don’t you adjust to the pitcher and sit on one of the pictures if not both? Does this Zen device prevent you from being able to hit the ball as well?
It makes deceptive pitches waaay more effective when you can paint the black after going out of the zone.
Have you played on legend difficulty in World Series?
Go sit down and take your meds.
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@codywolfgang_xbl said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I was wondering how half my opponents in World Series can bust me inside with two cutters and then put the sinker on the black automatically.
So here are some popular pitchers with their sinker and cutter control:
Hershiser 93 87
Leiter 95 90
Maddux 99 94
Wainwright 82 87
Burnes 97 94
Webb 99 69As you can see Hershiser, Leiter, Maddux and Burnes all have very good control with both pitches. A good pinpoint pitcher could do this. However, Webb's cutter should not be dotting black and corners very much as the PAR on his cutter would be very large. The player last night was dotting Smith's forkball that has a 77 control rating along with other secondary pitches. This is where the problem lies. Had he been dotting these pitches with say Maddux, I wouldn't have thought anything about it.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@codywolfgang_xbl said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I was wondering how half my opponents in World Series can bust me inside with two cutters and then put the sinker on the black automatically.
So here are some popular pitchers with their sinker and cutter control:
Hershiser 93 87
Leiter 95 90
Maddux 99 94
Wainwright 82 87
Burnes 97 94
Webb 99 69As you can see Hershiser, Leiter, Maddux and Burnes all have very good control with both pitches. A good pinpoint pitcher could do this. However, Webb's cutter should not be dotting black and corners very much as the PAR on his cutter would be very large. The player last night was dotting Smith's forkball that has a 77 control rating along with other secondary pitches. This is where the problem lies. Had he been dotting these pitches with say Maddux, I wouldn't have thought anything about it.
I’ve run into some guys in BR that are able to dot the low inside corner with Chapman….his ball window is over half the strike zone in BR.
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@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
The zen works for pitching. You'll lose if you hit with it. Hitting it tries to cover the whole zone and it won't be on the pitches everytime due to how it moves.
I've faced people online that used it for pitching and it's obvious as hell.
