Ran into another zen user a while ago
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
People aren't arguing that zen isn't in the game, we all know it is, thanks in part to a dude in these comments who made a huge post about it, telling the entire community about it (thanks champ).
We do question the quality of the program though. There are far too many variables with pitchers, pitch selection, timing, etc. for it to work with all pitchers. In the video, they show that there are setups for specific pitchers. So I guess if you just use those 5 or 6 guys they have pre-sets for, it would work like you're suggesting it does.
On the other hand pin point pitching is OP right now, and there is almost no penalty for missing your inputs. That's true with all pitchers.
Thus, Occam's razor suggests it's pinpoint pitching that is the real culprit.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
People aren't arguing that zen isn't in the game, we all know it is, thanks in part to a dude in these comments who made a huge post about it, telling the entire community about it (thanks champ).
We do question the quality of the program though. There are far too many variables with pitchers, pitch selection, timing, etc. for it to work with all pitchers. In the video, they show that there are setups for specific pitchers. So I guess if you just use those 5 or 6 guys they have pre-sets for, it would work like you're suggesting it does.
On the other hand pin point pitching is OP right now, and there is almost no penalty for missing your inputs. That's true with all pitchers.
Thus, Occam's razor suggests it's pinpoint pitching that is the real culprit.
This is correct. Pin point is way too strong and broken. You don't have to even be accurate with the pitches to get a dot. Just hit your release point and it's going to be a dot.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
Can we match up for one of those quits? Lol. I'm just kidding but this is disheartening in general.
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D_e_m_I_s_Ereplied to bwheel1977 on Jun 7, 2021, 3:40 PM last edited by D_e_m_I_s_E_PSN Jun 7, 2021, 3:54 PM
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
I think your idea of dots and mine are completely different. Go to custom practice with Nolan Ryan. Here are Nolan's pitches and control:
4 seam 82
Curve 73
Change 52
2 seam 47Try to hit the black and corner every time with any of these bottom 3 pitches. You won't because the PAR is too big. That is how the game is designed. This surely seems to me what the zen allows you to do. Put it on the baseball and not being affected by the PAR. I could be wrong but I know my perfects don't hit right on the line or the corner on pitches because of par.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
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@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Right, the guy posts that he's given up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings, that's the strongest argument to support pinpoint anyone's made.
He's upset about pinpoint being so forgiving, as many of us are. But, it's new, they'll adjust accordingly. SDS is all about data, and they require huge sample sizes before making changes. I'd expect a patch in a month or so if this continues to be an issue.
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D_e_m_I_s_Ereplied to bwheel1977 on Jun 7, 2021, 3:58 PM last edited by D_e_m_I_s_E_PSN Jun 7, 2021, 4:02 PM
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Argument doesn't make any sense? Have you not read the thread? Better yet you didn't comprehend like most people on this forum. Pretty clear if you ask me. I can simplify for you though. PEOPLE ARE DOTTING CONSTANTLY WITH PITCHES THAT CAN"T BE DOTTED BY HUMAN BEINGS. So you can put Ryan's change-up on the black and corner every pitch? No, you can't. You can with a zen though.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Right, the guy posts that he's given up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings, that's the strongest argument to support pinpoint anyone's made.
He's upset about pinpoint being so forgiving, as many of us are. But, it's new, they'll adjust accordingly. SDS is all about data, and they require huge sample sizes before making changes. I'd expect a patch in a month or so if this continues to be an issue.
Yeah i hope so. I don't see any reason to play on legend this year.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
So you think zen overrides the games programming, and isn't simply an auto-input controller emulator?
I'm guessing you don't do a lot with programming. That's not how any of this works.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Again you are arguing that pinpoint is too strong and you just can't see it. A zen can't change the code of the game. It just isn't possible.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Again you are arguing that pinpoint is too strong and you just can't see it. A zen can't change the code of the game. It just isn't possible.
Right, this ^^^
This is why zen worked so well with 2K, if you got a green on your shots, they went in. There's no wiggle room with a black and white input like shooting a basketball in 2K.
SDS put variable into the game, so even if you make perfect contact or throw a perfect pitch, there are variable results. A zen can't do anything about that, it just gives you a better chance of having success based on perfect inputs.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
The pulse circle and the par circle is the exact same thing. The timing on pulse is more difficult for sure, but no other input method shows you the actual par circle.
SDS introduced par this year because, in part, pulse (par, same thing), was the most consistent and people need to be rewarded for their good inputs.
The entire point of my post is that us pulse users know how to dot pitches with our pitchers, as there is a method to the madness.
Oswalt FB's go exactly in the center of the circle, every time. But if you try to dot the bottom left corner with Oswalt's slider, it's going to end up a few inches in the zone and get crushed, thus you have to aim a few inches outside of the zone for dots. Valenzuela changeups end up at the top right of the circle, every time, etc. etc. etc.
You can't control that with zen, thus it's just not that good, and not able to dot corners. There aren't enough variables in the software to account for all pitchers, and their tendencies.
I don't know if you've seen the PAR for PPP, but it is significantly smaller than Pulse. So if someone is using a zen to get perfect inputs consistently, it will be much more accurate than you with pulse pitching.
For Oswalt there is basically no PAR for his fastball on PPP, and every secondary pitch has a smaller PAR than using Pulse.
That's why it's a problem on HOF or legend. Cheating to use the pitching mechanic with the smallest amount of RNG makes hitting against it a nightmare. If you are using a high K/9 and H/9 pitcher with high confidence, even with perfect swing inputs, you are going to get dinged because the pitcher is high confidence and made a perfect input as well.
Thankfully at least there is a downside sorry when trying to field the ball of you have a zen active. I would imagine you can't switch off the script far enough to not have your fielding messed with.
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@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
The pulse circle and the par circle is the exact same thing. The timing on pulse is more difficult for sure, but no other input method shows you the actual par circle.
SDS introduced par this year because, in part, pulse (par, same thing), was the most consistent and people need to be rewarded for their good inputs.
The entire point of my post is that us pulse users know how to dot pitches with our pitchers, as there is a method to the madness.
Oswalt FB's go exactly in the center of the circle, every time. But if you try to dot the bottom left corner with Oswalt's slider, it's going to end up a few inches in the zone and get crushed, thus you have to aim a few inches outside of the zone for dots. Valenzuela changeups end up at the top right of the circle, every time, etc. etc. etc.
You can't control that with zen, thus it's just not that good, and not able to dot corners. There aren't enough variables in the software to account for all pitchers, and their tendencies.
I don't know if you've seen the PAR for PPP, but it is significantly smaller than Pulse. So if someone is using a zen to get perfect inputs consistently, it will be much more accurate than you with pulse pitching.
For Oswalt there is basically no PAR for his fastball on PPP, and every secondary pitch has a smaller PAR than using Pulse.
That's why it's a problem on HOF or legend. Cheating to use the pitching mechanic with the smallest amount of RNG makes hitting against it a nightmare. If you are using a high K/9 and H/9 pitcher with high confidence, even with perfect swing inputs, you are going to get dinged because the pitcher is high confidence and made a perfect input as well.
Thankfully at least there is a downside sorry when trying to field the ball of you have a zen active. I would imagine you can't switch off the script far enough to not have your fielding messed with.
It's not significantly smaller, it might just be more difficult to get the circle that small on pulse.
It's literally the same thing, per the devs, per a live stream, so it's not an argument my friend
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@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil. Why can't it eliminate the PAR? My guess is that it does.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil. Why can't it eliminate the PAR? My guess is that it does.
Dude it can't change the code in the game. It can however give you a perfect perfect every time allowing for dots. I again put the ball where i want and have no zen. It is the system you are arguing about and not the zen. . Mods for console games are dang near impossible to do. This isn't pc.. You have answered this a thousand times and you just aren't willing to see it. You said he put the ball where he wanted. You didn't say he threw a dot on the corner every single pitch.
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Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Yes, I think the zen puts the ball where you put the ball locator and isn't affected by the PAR. Makes sense if you think about it. Again, do my Nolan Ryan experiment in custom practice.
No, I don't think pinpoint is too strong. Would love to see a video of you using Nolan Ryan hitting black and corners with every pitch. Not humanly possible with the PAR system.
Dude there is no way to change the code of the game with a zen. It can't happen...
Similar to no recoil mods on the zen for shooters. Recoil is coded into the game but the zen eliminates the recoil. Why can't it eliminate the PAR? My guess is that it does.
Dude it can't change the code in the game. It can however give you a perfect perfect every time allowing for dots. I again put the ball where i want and have no zen. It is the system you are arguing about and not the zen. . Mods for console games are dang near impossible to do. This isn't pc.. You have answered this a thousand times and you just aren't willing to see it. You said he put the ball where he wanted. You didn't say he threw a dot on the corner every single pitch.
I really don't think you comprehend. I just gave you an example of a zen working around the coding in a game. Do you not think shooters are infested with Titans, zen, etc? If they didn't work, people wouldn't use them. To me, the PAR is similar to the recoil. Both are coded into the game but zen eliminates the recoil in shooters.
When he needed a strike, it was on the black or corner with every pitch. Again for like the 3rd time, you are saying you can put all of Ryan's pitches on the black or corner whenever you want? If so, you are playing a different game. For example, someone's PAR is a quarter of the zone (a pitch with bad control). If I hit it perfect it will go in that PAR but not be on the black or in the corner every time. That is what the PAR system is designed to do. If I am missing something and you can put the ball on the black or corner every time, I would like to know what it is. It isn't making a perfect pinpoint pitch. Not on my game.
I'll ask @nash_524_PSN. Nash - If you go into custom practice with Nolan Ryan, can you put all pitches on the black or corner? In the PAR region on a perfect, yes. On the black and corner every time, very doubtful.
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Zens don’t “put it wherever they want” unless you’ve tanked down to the 200s again.
Zens can perform the PP everytime and the result is the PAR. It’s not different, it’s exactly the same.
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Do yourself a favor and turn off cross play off you are on PS4.
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