PINPOINT pitching ruined this game
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@yankblan_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
Start your PCI down in that corner then DURRRRRRR
the pci doesn't reach the lower corners.
But reaches curves in the dirt? Rant all you want, but don’t straight up lie
The outside does…but you technically can’t center a ball on a lower corner. You’re basically relegated to and guaranteed bad contact.
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Sit on high fastballs
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@yankblan_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@vipersneak_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
Perhaps I missed a few posts, but I thought someone was saying PPP should be harder for bronze and silver pitchers than it is for diamond pitchers. I agree with this. If it is already, I do not notice it. Common and bronze pitchers should not be as accurate as diamond pitchers online or offline. Right now accuracy rating on cards is meaningless. I realize that is exactly what some of you want, 100% user input regardless of the card ratings. But I do not. I want a reason to use better pitchers other than a janky wind up and pitch speeds. SDS needs to make PPP slightly easier for diamond pitchers and much more difficult for common and bronze pitchers.
Nobody uses commons and bronzes online
They sure do. BR and events both.
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@vipersneak_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@yankblan_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@vipersneak_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
Perhaps I missed a few posts, but I thought someone was saying PPP should be harder for bronze and silver pitchers than it is for diamond pitchers. I agree with this. If it is already, I do not notice it. Common and bronze pitchers should not be as accurate as diamond pitchers online or offline. Right now accuracy rating on cards is meaningless. I realize that is exactly what some of you want, 100% user input regardless of the card ratings. But I do not. I want a reason to use better pitchers other than a janky wind up and pitch speeds. SDS needs to make PPP slightly easier for diamond pitchers and much more difficult for common and bronze pitchers.
Nobody uses commons and bronzes online
They sure do. BR and events both.
Well, sure, but they’re pretty hittable nonetheless, and it’s AS most of the time
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Last person I played, was a nice guy so hate to say this, but he was 38-13, couldn’t hit a lick, had 15 Ks vs glavine, but what he could do was hit all 4 corners with fastballs over and over and over. Perfect pitches right with the corner dead center of the ball. Maybe it just needs to have more skill involved. I had to just sit my pci on a corner each pitch and hoped I guess right. I did twice and won the game so I’m not mad about a loss. Just maybe it’s too easy.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@goldengamingkm said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
My contribution to this thread will be short and sweet: I've always preferred meter and will continue to use meter. Don't care if I don't get any higher than 700 in RS.
I'm content.
End.
I think perspective is huge here, and you really laid it out nice and simply: Know who you are, be OK with who you are.
Or make the adjustments necessary to become the person you want to be.
I am in my 30s, work 40 hrs a week and do not have the time to grind like I did when I was in my teens/20s. I will never hit WS in ranked games...sh!t I may never break 650. I have no intent on grinding to get better at the game. Fine, I can still have fun. My team is freak'n loaded and I may have played a total of 15 online games.
I play moments, conquest, v CPU and v CPU community teams. I love it.
The complaints about ranked games/PPP scream "I want to be good at this game, but I am not -- and its the developers fault that that is the case."
The NEED to win should not usurp the enjoyment of competition -- and that concept is totally lost on people.
VERY well said.
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
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@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
It certainly didn’t help it. People that don’t know how to pitch probably like it though.
Dude stop. "People who don't know how to pitch probably like it" lmao. The game forced pitches with good input down the middle in 18, 19 and 20. The guys who liked that were the scrubs who can't hit pitches on the black and have to wait for those cookies down the middle to be somewhat successful. I'm not gonna make assumptions which category your or OP fit, but take a good long look on the mirror and decide for yourself.
So to you the opposite of that was to put it in the exact same spot every time with such a simplistic system? Then when your opponent hits it’s just random output? Okay. I just always base my opinion on the fact that gamers nowadays, and after 8 years in sports games especially sports gamers, win at every cost and want to cheese as much as possible so if something new is added to the game and the majority of people like it then it probably isn’t good for the actual game. If a YouTuber found a way to bunt for a base hit every time 100% right now that is all you would see online until it was patched.
And I’m alright at the game. Would be better if I enjoyed it online. In actual games I’m probably 80% win and would be higher if I cared to enough stick around. I pitch with analog by the way and still think it’s too easy compared to the randomness of hitting. But it is what it is. And that’s the game.
If you can hit pitches in every location, it doesn't matter if your opponent can throw accurate pitch after accurate pitch. However, If you can't hit every pitch in every location, then yes you have something to complain about. Case and point I would assume.
So you telling me sinker up and in is real baseball ? telling me being patient at the plate ... looking for a pitch you can drive , forcing pitchers in fastball counts ...man this isnt even baseball its all about who can put the PCi on the ball at any locations ... why take any pitches then there is no point because anybody can spot a offspeed in a fastball count.... you just a stupid fkin gamer ... not a baseball fan gtfo lol
Sinker up and in has nothing to do with the pinpoint mechanic and everything SDS shoddy programming.
Has everything to do with it as with pinpoint you can just dot up and in broken sinkers
So what? Just crush them. I don't understand why people have so much issues with these sinkers despite it not being realistic.
Because for every player that can consistently hit that pitch there are probably 25 that can’t. Add in that connectivity and frame rate really impacts high velocity inside pitches and quite often those pitches are unhittable.
I want tweaks. Up and in sinkers being the best pitch needs to go. In the dirt curveballs and chamges need to be more effective.
I think pinpoint though is straight cheese to the point of running 4 verticals in madden.
Run cover 4 defense
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@warpedzilla_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@aaronjw76_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
It certainly didn’t help it. People that don’t know how to pitch probably like it though.
Dude stop. "People who don't know how to pitch probably like it" lmao. The game forced pitches with good input down the middle in 18, 19 and 20. The guys who liked that were the scrubs who can't hit pitches on the black and have to wait for those cookies down the middle to be somewhat successful. I'm not gonna make assumptions which category your or OP fit, but take a good long look on the mirror and decide for yourself.
So to you the opposite of that was to put it in the exact same spot every time with such a simplistic system? Then when your opponent hits it’s just random output? Okay. I just always base my opinion on the fact that gamers nowadays, and after 8 years in sports games especially sports gamers, win at every cost and want to cheese as much as possible so if something new is added to the game and the majority of people like it then it probably isn’t good for the actual game. If a YouTuber found a way to bunt for a base hit every time 100% right now that is all you would see online until it was patched.
And I’m alright at the game. Would be better if I enjoyed it online. In actual games I’m probably 80% win and would be higher if I cared to enough stick around. I pitch with analog by the way and still think it’s too easy compared to the randomness of hitting. But it is what it is. And that’s the game.
If you can hit pitches in every location, it doesn't matter if your opponent can throw accurate pitch after accurate pitch. However, If you can't hit every pitch in every location, then yes you have something to complain about. Case and point I would assume.
So you telling me sinker up and in is real baseball ? telling me being patient at the plate ... looking for a pitch you can drive , forcing pitchers in fastball counts ...man this isnt even baseball its all about who can put the PCi on the ball at any locations ... why take any pitches then there is no point because anybody can spot a offspeed in a fastball count.... you just a stupid fkin gamer ... not a baseball fan gtfo lol
Sinker up and in has nothing to do with the pinpoint mechanic and everything SDS shoddy programming.
Has everything to do with it as with pinpoint you can just dot up and in broken sinkers
So what? Just crush them. I don't understand why people have so much issues with these sinkers despite it not being realistic.
Because for every player that can consistently hit that pitch there are probably 25 that can’t. Add in that connectivity and frame rate really impacts high velocity inside pitches and quite often those pitches are unhittable.
I want tweaks. Up and in sinkers being the best pitch needs to go. In the dirt curveballs and chamges need to be more effective.
I think pinpoint though is straight cheese to the point of running 4 verticals in madden.
Run cover 4 defense
Cover 4 drop show 2. At least say the right defense. It stops everything.
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@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@warpedzilla_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@aaronjw76_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
It certainly didn’t help it. People that don’t know how to pitch probably like it though.
Dude stop. "People who don't know how to pitch probably like it" lmao. The game forced pitches with good input down the middle in 18, 19 and 20. The guys who liked that were the scrubs who can't hit pitches on the black and have to wait for those cookies down the middle to be somewhat successful. I'm not gonna make assumptions which category your or OP fit, but take a good long look on the mirror and decide for yourself.
So to you the opposite of that was to put it in the exact same spot every time with such a simplistic system? Then when your opponent hits it’s just random output? Okay. I just always base my opinion on the fact that gamers nowadays, and after 8 years in sports games especially sports gamers, win at every cost and want to cheese as much as possible so if something new is added to the game and the majority of people like it then it probably isn’t good for the actual game. If a YouTuber found a way to bunt for a base hit every time 100% right now that is all you would see online until it was patched.
And I’m alright at the game. Would be better if I enjoyed it online. In actual games I’m probably 80% win and would be higher if I cared to enough stick around. I pitch with analog by the way and still think it’s too easy compared to the randomness of hitting. But it is what it is. And that’s the game.
If you can hit pitches in every location, it doesn't matter if your opponent can throw accurate pitch after accurate pitch. However, If you can't hit every pitch in every location, then yes you have something to complain about. Case and point I would assume.
So you telling me sinker up and in is real baseball ? telling me being patient at the plate ... looking for a pitch you can drive , forcing pitchers in fastball counts ...man this isnt even baseball its all about who can put the PCi on the ball at any locations ... why take any pitches then there is no point because anybody can spot a offspeed in a fastball count.... you just a stupid fkin gamer ... not a baseball fan gtfo lol
Sinker up and in has nothing to do with the pinpoint mechanic and everything SDS shoddy programming.
Has everything to do with it as with pinpoint you can just dot up and in broken sinkers
So what? Just crush them. I don't understand why people have so much issues with these sinkers despite it not being realistic.
Because for every player that can consistently hit that pitch there are probably 25 that can’t. Add in that connectivity and frame rate really impacts high velocity inside pitches and quite often those pitches are unhittable.
I want tweaks. Up and in sinkers being the best pitch needs to go. In the dirt curveballs and chamges need to be more effective.
I think pinpoint though is straight cheese to the point of running 4 verticals in madden.
Run cover 4 defense
Cover 4 drop show 2. At least say the right defense. It stops everything.
Except u can bomb that all day with the Portland passing concept, unless the user takes that away themselves.
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@buddyhightower_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
Park your PCI on the corner and wait then....
Ok? But those pitches even if you are dead on them are rightly very tough to hit.
I mean, unless there are two strikes, looking to hit a slider down and in off the plate is not the best approach. There is a reason why good hitters in the MLB will take that pitch early in the count.
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@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
the stupid wanna be gamer ruined this game with wanting perfect output ... baseball is a game with randomness you can hit the ball with alot of exit velo in real life and get unlucky... pitching you guys cried when good output caught some of the plate.... look what the game has become now .... it isnt even real baseball ... no baseball fan enjoys that every pitch is at the exact location... its the stupid gamers
Facts.
These cornball YTers too. They ruined 2k and Madden 2-3 years ago
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How do you even know if the opponent is using pinpoint?
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@yankblan_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@gohardgrandpa said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
I don't use pinpoint. I've got a shaky right hand from nerve damage and when I use pinpoint it looks like someone gave a baby an etch a sketch.
Sorry to hear about your condition, but that me snort out loud at work...
It's all good. I try to make the best of it. Surprisingly I have a positive win lose ratio in ranked seasons. I love baseball so I have fun win or lose.
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@vipersneak_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
I have always argued against more user input and less randomness because I knew this would happen. When I can paint corners with a silver pitcher just as well as a diamond pitcher while using PPP then the cards do not matter any longer. They might as well give all pitchers the same "per nines" as they have become meaningless. It does save me stubs though.
Totally agree. I also find it funny how must of the community will go on and on about how perfect hits don’t need to always go out because sometimes the best hit balls are for outs and how “that’s just baseball”. Then some of the same people (not all) will turn around and say user input needs to matter the most for pitching, it’s baffling.
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I love pinpoint pitching but it does seem a bit OP. Maybe they could even things out a bit by having the pitching cursor hidden at all times. Then if someone is dotting every corner, at least you know there's a little more skill involved.
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How are people going to complain when you have the exact same chance to dot every pitch as your opponent? Why complain when you can practice using pinpoint and do exactly what everyone else does lol.
It makes no sense how people will complain about good input pitching but also get mad when they use analog and outcomes out of the players control are hung and hit and say it’s the games fault. Pinpoint is the solution. I use pinpoint and am pretty good at it but not every pitch is a dot. Stats still do play into effect but it’s a lot more accurate as it should be.
If someone’s dotting me up I commend them rather than get mad anymore because they’re pitching how they’re supposed to. If you’re gonna get mad at someone for doing it who hits the ball when you do it to them it obviously means you need practice at either pitching or hitting.
HOF I can understand for players who are making the switch from all star to HOF, but on all star there should be 0 excuses because you can center swing and still make contact most of the time and pitch speeds are slow enough for an average human to read and move their pci in the general direction
Before I get called a sweat or something I’m literally just saying SDS isn’t going to give everyone the outcomes they want because people cry about losing and call it BS because players are using something they added to the game to help players.
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Maybe the game is just using the new ball....
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@aaronjw76_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
It certainly didn’t help it. People that don’t know how to pitch probably like it though.
Dude stop. "People who don't know how to pitch probably like it" lmao. The game forced pitches with good input down the middle in 18, 19 and 20. The guys who liked that were the scrubs who can't hit pitches on the black and have to wait for those cookies down the middle to be somewhat successful. I'm not gonna make assumptions which category your or OP fit, but take a good long look on the mirror and decide for yourself.
So to you the opposite of that was to put it in the exact same spot every time with such a simplistic system? Then when your opponent hits it’s just random output? Okay. I just always base my opinion on the fact that gamers nowadays, and after 8 years in sports games especially sports gamers, win at every cost and want to cheese as much as possible so if something new is added to the game and the majority of people like it then it probably isn’t good for the actual game. If a YouTuber found a way to bunt for a base hit every time 100% right now that is all you would see online until it was patched.
And I’m alright at the game. Would be better if I enjoyed it online. In actual games I’m probably 80% win and would be higher if I cared to enough stick around. I pitch with analog by the way and still think it’s too easy compared to the randomness of hitting. But it is what it is. And that’s the game.
If you can hit pitches in every location, it doesn't matter if your opponent can throw accurate pitch after accurate pitch. However, If you can't hit every pitch in every location, then yes you have something to complain about. Case and point I would assume.
So you telling me sinker up and in is real baseball ? telling me being patient at the plate ... looking for a pitch you can drive , forcing pitchers in fastball counts ...man this isnt even baseball its all about who can put the PCi on the ball at any locations ... why take any pitches then there is no point because anybody can spot a offspeed in a fastball count.... you just a stupid fkin gamer ... not a baseball fan gtfo lol
Sinker up and in has nothing to do with the pinpoint mechanic and everything SDS shoddy programming.
Has everything to do with it as with pinpoint you can just dot up and in broken sinkers
You can dot that pitch with analog all day.
I do it every game.
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@writetoshawn_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@goldengamingkm said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
My contribution to this thread will be short and sweet: I've always preferred meter and will continue to use meter. Don't care if I don't get any higher than 700 in RS.
I'm content.
End.
I think perspective is huge here, and you really laid it out nice and simply: Know who you are, be OK with who you are.
Or make the adjustments necessary to become the person you want to be.
I am in my 30s, work 40 hrs a week and do not have the time to grind like I did when I was in my teens/20s. I will never hit WS in ranked games...sh!t I may never break 650. I have no intent on grinding to get better at the game. Fine, I can still have fun. My team is freak'n loaded and I may have played a total of 15 online games.
I play moments, conquest, v CPU and v CPU community teams. I love it.
The complaints about ranked games/PPP scream "I want to be good at this game, but I am not -- and its the developers fault that that is the case."
The NEED to win should not usurp the enjoyment of competition -- and that concept is totally lost on people.
VERY well said.
Love this
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I am curious, is there still a bit of Pitcher RNG, even with Pinpoint?
In other words, if you use pinpoint and have perfect input on every single pitch, there is still a remote chance of a hanger based on the Pitcher ratings, right?I ask this because I doubt you could use a common pitcher and get perfect results on every pitch regardless of the input method.
