PINPOINT pitching ruined this game
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
Start your PCI down in that corner then DURRRRRRRR
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@el-fiama-bianca_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
Great points but all the things you listed are common sense approaches that a baseball player would make/take. This forum is 78% pimple poppers who want everything gift wrapped for them. That's why companies like SDS are fighting a never ending battle. They can adjust something 100% exactly what the cry babies are crying about but they wont even be happy or appreciate that adjustment. Instead they'll move on down their ladder of their cry baby list of complaints/demands. Stick to Fortnite and World of Warcraft.
Being able to throw a pitch in the exact same spot every time is no different than spamming the same play in madden over and over.
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@el-fiama-bianca_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
Great points but all the things you listed are common sense approaches that a baseball player would make/take. This forum is 78% pimple poppers who want everything gift wrapped for them. That's why companies like SDS are fighting a never ending battle. They can adjust something 100% exactly what the cry babies are crying about but they wont even be happy or appreciate that adjustment. Instead they'll move on down their ladder of their cry baby list of complaints/demands. Stick to Fortnite and World of Warcraft.
Being able to throw a pitch in the exact same spot every time is no different than spamming the same play in madden over and over.
If you get beat by someone spamming the same play over and over that's on you. Seriously do you people have a complaint about everything??!!!!
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It's a video game. It tries to replicate real life as much as possible but sometimes there's limitations...
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The things you are crying about are easily countered. You just dont want to put the effort into finding out how.
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
GOB's not onboard...
If EVERY pitch is spotted on the low-outside corner, then you just picked up on the pattern...I would recommend placing the PCI low and outside.
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@el-fiama-bianca_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
Great points but all the things you listed are common sense approaches that a baseball player would make/take. This forum is 78% pimple poppers who want everything gift wrapped for them. That's why companies like SDS are fighting a never ending battle. They can adjust something 100% exactly what the cry babies are crying about but they wont even be happy or appreciate that adjustment. Instead they'll move on down their ladder of their cry baby list of complaints/demands. Stick to Fortnite and World of Warcraft.
Being able to throw a pitch in the exact same spot every time is no different than spamming the same play in madden over and over.
Which is why you play LB or S to prevent play spamming in madden. Now does playing those positions take practice, some Football IQ and Skill? Yes.
Weird...its kind of like MLB: TS...requiring practice, some IQ and skill.
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Think it’s important to remember it is still a video game, you wouldn’t want it to be exactly like real life or we’d be playing 3 hour games. This thread does make me feel tempted to try out pinpoint pitching though, I’ve always been a pulse kind of guy myself.
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
Park your PCI on the corner and wait then....
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My contribution to this thread will be short and sweet: I've always preferred meter and will continue to use meter. Don't care if I don't get any higher than 700 in RS.
I'm content.
End.
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@goldengamingkm said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
My contribution to this thread will be short and sweet: I've always preferred meter and will continue to use meter. Don't care if I don't get any higher than 700 in RS.
I'm content.
End.
Same.
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@buddyhightower_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
Park your PCI on the corner and wait then....
Ok? But those pitches even if you are dead on them are rightly very tough to hit.
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@goldengamingkm said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
My contribution to this thread will be short and sweet: I've always preferred meter and will continue to use meter. Don't care if I don't get any higher than 700 in RS.
I'm content.
End.
I think perspective is huge here, and you really laid it out nice and simply: Know who you are, be OK with who you are.
Or make the adjustments necessary to become the person you want to be.
I am in my 30s, work 40 hrs a week and do not have the time to grind like I did when I was in my teens/20s. I will never hit WS in ranked games...sh!t I may never break 650. I have no intent on grinding to get better at the game. Fine, I can still have fun. My team is freak'n loaded and I may have played a total of 15 online games.
I play moments, conquest, v CPU and v CPU community teams. I love it.
The complaints about ranked games/PPP scream "I want to be good at this game, but I am not -- and its the developers fault that that is the case."
The NEED to win should not usurp the enjoyment of competition -- and that concept is totally lost on people.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
The complaints about ranked games/PPP scream "I want to be good at this game, but I am not -- and its the developers fault that that is the case."
I wouldn't go that far. There are some sound complaints about PPP being too easy and contact swing being OP.
I'm 51 years old and my RS record is 7-11, I seem to play RTTS more than anything and play a real life friend online for fun.
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@aaronjw76_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
It certainly didn’t help it. People that don’t know how to pitch probably like it though.
Dude stop. "People who don't know how to pitch probably like it" lmao. The game forced pitches with good input down the middle in 18, 19 and 20. The guys who liked that were the scrubs who can't hit pitches on the black and have to wait for those cookies down the middle to be somewhat successful. I'm not gonna make assumptions which category your or OP fit, but take a good long look on the mirror and decide for yourself.
So to you the opposite of that was to put it in the exact same spot every time with such a simplistic system? Then when your opponent hits it’s just random output? Okay. I just always base my opinion on the fact that gamers nowadays, and after 8 years in sports games especially sports gamers, win at every cost and want to cheese as much as possible so if something new is added to the game and the majority of people like it then it probably isn’t good for the actual game. If a YouTuber found a way to bunt for a base hit every time 100% right now that is all you would see online until it was patched.
And I’m alright at the game. Would be better if I enjoyed it online. In actual games I’m probably 80% win and would be higher if I cared to enough stick around. I pitch with analog by the way and still think it’s too easy compared to the randomness of hitting. But it is what it is. And that’s the game.
If you can hit pitches in every location, it doesn't matter if your opponent can throw accurate pitch after accurate pitch. However, If you can't hit every pitch in every location, then yes you have something to complain about. Case and point I would assume.
So you telling me sinker up and in is real baseball ? telling me being patient at the plate ... looking for a pitch you can drive , forcing pitchers in fastball counts ...man this isnt even baseball its all about who can put the PCi on the ball at any locations ... why take any pitches then there is no point because anybody can spot a offspeed in a fastball count.... you just a stupid fkin gamer ... not a baseball fan gtfo lol
Sinker up and in has nothing to do with the pinpoint mechanic and everything SDS shoddy programming.
Has everything to do with it as with pinpoint you can just dot up and in broken sinkers
So what? Just crush them. I don't understand why people have so much issues with these sinkers despite it not being realistic.
Because for every player that can consistently hit that pitch there are probably 25 that can’t. Add in that connectivity and frame rate really impacts high velocity inside pitches and quite often those pitches are unhittable.
I want tweaks. Up and in sinkers being the best pitch needs to go. In the dirt curveballs and chamges need to be more effective.
I think pinpoint though is straight cheese to the point of running 4 verticals in madden.
So the fact that Cliff Lee threw 6 shutouts in a year doesn’t constitute dotting like he does in the game??? And if you know up and in sinkers are being thrown, then sit on it? Learn to adjust. What are they supposed to do, take a sinker out of the game? And if we are complaining about pitching just know that most baseball scores irl is 3-2. So most of the time pitchers are dotting and there are a bunch of line outs, get over it.
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@buddyhightower_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
The complaints about ranked games/PPP scream "I want to be good at this game, but I am not -- and its the developers fault that that is the case."
I wouldn't go that far. There are some sound complaints about PPP being too easy and contact swing being OP.
I'm 51 years old and my RS record is 7-11, I seem to play RTTS more than anything and play a real life friend online for fun.
Interested in Franchise mode but just haven't jumped in yet.Should some things be tweaked? Sure. But the notion that PPP should be removed is ridiculous.
Same with contact swings -- should a contact swing get you to the warning track? No, and I don't GaFF who is at the plate; but contact swinging should not be removed.
"Hey this should be tweaked" is a little different than "This ruined the game, remove it."
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@buddyhightower_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
Park your PCI on the corner and wait then....
Ok? But those pitches even if you are dead on them are rightly very tough to hit.
Perspective...I love facing a RHP who throws sliders at RHH. I absolutely love hitting sliders. Inside cutters and inside-mid sitting sinkers live in my nightmares.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
"Hey this should be tweaked" is a little different than "This ruined the game, remove it."
I agree.
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Perhaps I missed a few posts, but I thought someone was saying PPP should be harder for bronze and silver pitchers than it is for diamond pitchers. I agree with this. If it is already, I do not notice it. Common and bronze pitchers should not be as accurate as diamond pitchers online or offline. Right now accuracy rating on cards is meaningless. I realize that is exactly what some of you want, 100% user input regardless of the card ratings. But I do not. I want a reason to use better pitchers other than a janky wind up and pitch speeds. SDS needs to make PPP slightly easier for diamond pitchers and much more difficult for common and bronze pitchers.
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@vipersneak_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
Perhaps I missed a few posts, but I thought someone was saying PPP should be harder for bronze and silver pitchers than it is for diamond pitchers. I agree with this. If it is already, I do not notice it. Common and bronze pitchers should not be as accurate as diamond pitchers online or offline. Right now accuracy rating on cards is meaningless. I realize that is exactly what some of you want, 100% user input regardless of the card ratings. But I do not. I want a reason to use better pitchers other than a janky wind up and pitch speeds. SDS needs to make PPP slightly easier for diamond pitchers and much more difficult for common and bronze pitchers.
Nobody uses commons and bronzes online
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@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
Every pitcher in the game has perfect command of all pitches ... breaking balls and changeups always on corner for 2 games in a row ... how the [censored] is this real baseball when theres never a mistake made ???
this is gettint out of hand with the pitching accuracy ... when you dont see one ball in the middle of the zone in 3 straight RS game ...
they sure know how to ruin this game
They should nerf it a little to bring it in line with other inputs imo..analog took more skill to aim fastballs since you had to actually aim stick to the location not just push up and down and have 18 control rookie Chapman throw perfect dots all day
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@el-fiama-bianca_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
Start your PCI down in that corner then DURRRRRRR
the pci doesn't reach the lower corners.
