PSA: Marketplace
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@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@danthethriller said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@kdclemson_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
I do this because if someone has less stubs than me, they can’t outbid me and it saves me the trouble of having to always make sure I’m the lowest bid. If the card cost 10,500 and some dude has 10,000 but I have 11,000 I can make sure he can’t outbid me by doing something like 10,750 instead of 10,001
You don't know if the person doesn't have extra stubs.
You conveniently ignored my answer to your question.
I saw it. I just disagree with it. There have been plenty of examples of people cutting a sell price by, say, 1,000 stubs and then they themselves get underbid by a single stub.
I'm not new around here. I know how things work. I disagree with you. People that do it aren't necessarily selling their card any faster and they are still getting outbid sometimes.
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind. Hence the evidence that undercutting by a significant amount does make you sell your card quicker, some people are actually lurking on this. They pick up those major undercuts and relist them to make a 1K or so profit. That's a solid flip. So yeah disagree all you like, you're wrong about it though.
Again, this is something that makes perfect sense for player cards, in my opinion.
You rarely find a glut of any Diamond player that will lead to downward supply pressure.
In that case, what you’re describing is usually what plays out.
In my experience, flipping items happens wherever the margins are worth it. Whether those are player cards, equipment or stadiums. I agree that it's not worth undercutting 10K on an equipment item, but the whole idea is to undercut juuuuuust enough to scare off everyone else who wants to sell the same item while still making a reasonable profit. So for a 40K equipment item, that could be like 5 or 6K, which again will most likely halt everyone with their listings until the item is sold.
I'll add one more thing to this and then I'll stop the debating because I've already stated my points and opinions: someone who is effective in flipping cards on the market values traffic over profit. So undercutting by significant amounts is not a problem at all, it's all about flipping as many cards as possible and for that you need to a lot of traffic which means you need to sell asap. That makes it worth the undercut sometimes.
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Guys imma buy and sell at 1000 more than the highest order now just for these fine folk
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@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@danthethriller said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@kdclemson_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
I do this because if someone has less stubs than me, they can’t outbid me and it saves me the trouble of having to always make sure I’m the lowest bid. If the card cost 10,500 and some dude has 10,000 but I have 11,000 I can make sure he can’t outbid me by doing something like 10,750 instead of 10,001
You don't know if the person doesn't have extra stubs.
You conveniently ignored my answer to your question.
I saw it. I just disagree with it. There have been plenty of examples of people cutting a sell price by, say, 1,000 stubs and then they themselves get underbid by a single stub.
I'm not new around here. I know how things work. I disagree with you. People that do it aren't necessarily selling their card any faster and they are still getting outbid sometimes.
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind. Hence the evidence that undercutting by a significant amount does make you sell your card quicker, some people are actually lurking on this. They pick up those major undercuts and relist them to make a 1K or so profit. That's a solid flip. So yeah disagree all you like, you're wrong about it though.
Again, this is something that makes perfect sense for player cards, in my opinion.
You rarely find a glut of any Diamond player that will lead to downward supply pressure.
In that case, what you’re describing is usually what plays out.
In my experience, flipping items happens wherever the margins are worth it. Whether those are player cards, equipment or stadiums. I agree that it's not worth undercutting 10K on an equipment item, but the whole idea is to undercut juuuuuust enough to scare off everyone else who wants to sell the same item while still making a reasonable profit. So for a 40K equipment item, that could be like 5 or 6K, which again will most likely halt everyone with their listings until the item is sold.
10000% agree.
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@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@kdclemson_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
I do this because if someone has less stubs than me, they can’t outbid me and it saves me the trouble of having to always make sure I’m the lowest bid. If the card cost 10,500 and some dude has 10,000 but I have 11,000 I can make sure he can’t outbid me by doing something like 10,750 instead of 10,001
You don't know if the person doesn't have extra stubs.
You conveniently ignored my answer to your question.
I saw it. I just disagree with it. There have been plenty of examples of people cutting a sell price by, say, 1,000 stubs and then they themselves get underbid by a single stub.
I'm not new around here. I know how things work. I disagree with you. People that do it aren't necessarily selling their card any faster and they are still getting outbid sometimes.
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind. Hence the evidence that undercutting by a significant amount does make you sell your card quicker, some people are actually lurking on this. They pick up those major undercuts and relist them to make a 1K or so profit. That's a solid flip. So yeah disagree all you like, you're wrong about it though.
Does it happen. Of course it does. Does it sometimes not work, absolutely. I know how it works. I've been around long enough. I'm not even necessarily talking about the guy watching it closely. With many cards, if you undercut/overcut by a lot, there's someone else entering the bidding/selling for the first time willing to one-stub you.
I get what you're saying, you're just not willing to budge and say that sometimes it ruins the profit potential for anyone. Of course, you feel like you're an arbiter of the forum and you have all the answers. There are absolutely times where someone undercuts low and they sell it in the same amount of time than if they had not undercut the process. I'm not talking about guys who are sitting there flipping. I bet flippers get more upset about being undercut by a lot than anyone else.
But you're not going to be bothered by this topic anymore. So that's fine. I'm kind of done with it too. I just find it funny that you felt you deserved a response after answering my original question.
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The margins are horrific right now.
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@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@kdclemson_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
I do this because if someone has less stubs than me, they can’t outbid me and it saves me the trouble of having to always make sure I’m the lowest bid. If the card cost 10,500 and some dude has 10,000 but I have 11,000 I can make sure he can’t outbid me by doing something like 10,750 instead of 10,001
You don't know if the person doesn't have extra stubs.
You conveniently ignored my answer to your question.
I saw it. I just disagree with it. There have been plenty of examples of people cutting a sell price by, say, 1,000 stubs and then they themselves get underbid by a single stub.
I'm not new around here. I know how things work. I disagree with you. People that do it aren't necessarily selling their card any faster and they are still getting outbid sometimes.
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind. Hence the evidence that undercutting by a significant amount does make you sell your card quicker, some people are actually lurking on this. They pick up those major undercuts and relist them to make a 1K or so profit. That's a solid flip. So yeah disagree all you like, you're wrong about it though.
Does it happen. Of course it does. Does it sometimes not work, absolutely. I know how it works. I've been around long enough. I'm not even necessarily talking about the guy watching it closely. With many cards, if you undercut/overcut by a lot, there's someone else entering the bidding/selling for the first time willing to one-stub you.
I get what you're saying, you're just not willing to budge and say that sometimes it ruins the profit potential for anyone. Of course, you feel like you're an arbiter of the forum and you have all the answers. There are absolutely times where someone undercuts low and they sell it in the same amount of time than if they had not undercut the process. I'm not talking about guys who are sitting there flipping. I bet flippers get more upset about being undercut by a lot than anyone else.
But you're not going to be bothered by this topic anymore. So that's fine. I'm kind of done with it too. I just find it funny that you felt you deserved a response after answering my original question.
No need to get personal. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. Undercutting by a significant amount will get your card sold quicker. What's funny is that I had to even explain how that works.
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@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind.
This. Even if someone does undercut the 42.5 it isnt like everyone listed at 48k to 50k is gonna follow suit. Where as if you list at 47.9k all those others will undercut. Bottom line the card will sell faster.
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
With many cards, if you undercut/overcut by a lot, there's someone else entering the bidding/selling for the first time willing to one-stub you.
I get what you're saying, you're just not willingTrue, but not near as many people will, making it much faster to sell your card. All those other people posted at the higher gap arent all gonna come down and undercut like they will if you post for just a little bit under.
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@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@kdclemson_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
I do this because if someone has less stubs than me, they can’t outbid me and it saves me the trouble of having to always make sure I’m the lowest bid. If the card cost 10,500 and some dude has 10,000 but I have 11,000 I can make sure he can’t outbid me by doing something like 10,750 instead of 10,001
You don't know if the person doesn't have extra stubs.
You conveniently ignored my answer to your question.
I saw it. I just disagree with it. There have been plenty of examples of people cutting a sell price by, say, 1,000 stubs and then they themselves get underbid by a single stub.
I'm not new around here. I know how things work. I disagree with you. People that do it aren't necessarily selling their card any faster and they are still getting outbid sometimes.
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind. Hence the evidence that undercutting by a significant amount does make you sell your card quicker, some people are actually lurking on this. They pick up those major undercuts and relist them to make a 1K or so profit. That's a solid flip. So yeah disagree all you like, you're wrong about it though.
Does it happen. Of course it does. Does it sometimes not work, absolutely. I know how it works. I've been around long enough. I'm not even necessarily talking about the guy watching it closely. With many cards, if you undercut/overcut by a lot, there's someone else entering the bidding/selling for the first time willing to one-stub you.
I get what you're saying, you're just not willing to budge and say that sometimes it ruins the profit potential for anyone. Of course, you feel like you're an arbiter of the forum and you have all the answers. There are absolutely times where someone undercuts low and they sell it in the same amount of time than if they had not undercut the process. I'm not talking about guys who are sitting there flipping. I bet flippers get more upset about being undercut by a lot than anyone else.
But you're not going to be bothered by this topic anymore. So that's fine. I'm kind of done with it too. I just find it funny that you felt you deserved a response after answering my original question.
No need to get personal. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. Undercutting by a significant amount will get your card sold quicker. What's funny is that I had to even explain how that works.
See that's the thing. You didn't have to explain that. I know it happens. But you aren't willing to admit that sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it just messes up the profit margin. It's gray, not black and white. You could have just said that is one reason (and I wouldn't have had an issue), but then you had to double-down and go in-depth like your answer is the only one that matters, and then go all high and mighty and ask why I didn't respond to your response. I was letting it go.
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@chuckclc_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind.
This. Even if someone does undercut the 42.5 it isnt like everyone listed at 48k to 50k is gonna follow suit. Where as if you list at 47.9k all those others will undercut. Bottom line the card will sell faster.
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
With many cards, if you undercut/overcut by a lot, there's someone else entering the bidding/selling for the first time willing to one-stub you.
I get what you're saying, you're just not willingTrue, but not near as many people will, making it much faster to sell your card. All those other people posted at the higher gap arent all gonna come down and undercut like they will if you post for just a little bit under.
You're assuming that everyone with a close bid will come back on and undercut while also assuming that it's less likely that new people will come on and under/overbid your already cut margin. I would say it's closer to even on both sides of that topic. Again, it's a gray area, not black and white. It happens both ways.
Whatever, it is what it is. In my opinion, and that of the original poster, that it would be a better place if we all one-stubbed it than severely undercutting/overcutting margins.
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Shhhhhh.... I usually buy them and repost them at market trends (I made 4K doing that on a few items LOL) .......One mans junk is another's treasure or something like that
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Free market
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There seems to be an assumption by many in this thread that everyone participating in the Marketplace are seasoned veterans at it. That everyone knows the "best" strategies. That could never be so untrue as this year with tens and tens of thousands of new players coming in from XBox.
Most currently playing for free.Plus, since SDS has made so many connections for RTTS and Franchise to DD (to try and lure more people into buying stubs) there are bound to be many people just unloading items. I know there are people that only play RTTS and/or Franchise and don't care squat about what's going on in DD.
But they are inevitably being directed to the marketplace.And stubs are so easy to get, along with free packs and free cards. I've never seen a game where it was all so easy and plentiful.
I'm sure a ton of people (myself included) had a phenomenal team a week in without even buying stubs.Factor that into many not caring and/or not understanding fully how it all works and there's bound to be many "strange" postings.
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@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@raesone_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@bhall09_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@kdclemson_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
I do this because if someone has less stubs than me, they can’t outbid me and it saves me the trouble of having to always make sure I’m the lowest bid. If the card cost 10,500 and some dude has 10,000 but I have 11,000 I can make sure he can’t outbid me by doing something like 10,750 instead of 10,001
You don't know if the person doesn't have extra stubs.
You conveniently ignored my answer to your question.
I saw it. I just disagree with it. There have been plenty of examples of people cutting a sell price by, say, 1,000 stubs and then they themselves get underbid by a single stub.
I'm not new around here. I know how things work. I disagree with you. People that do it aren't necessarily selling their card any faster and they are still getting outbid sometimes.
You can disagree but this is what literally happens. No matter how much you disagree with it. If you have a 50K card and you list it for 48K and then I come along and list it for 42,5K you'll most likely refresh a few times because you know that card will be gone soon and then you can relist your card for what you had in mind. Hence the evidence that undercutting by a significant amount does make you sell your card quicker, some people are actually lurking on this. They pick up those major undercuts and relist them to make a 1K or so profit. That's a solid flip. So yeah disagree all you like, you're wrong about it though.
Does it happen. Of course it does. Does it sometimes not work, absolutely. I know how it works. I've been around long enough. I'm not even necessarily talking about the guy watching it closely. With many cards, if you undercut/overcut by a lot, there's someone else entering the bidding/selling for the first time willing to one-stub you.
I get what you're saying, you're just not willing to budge and say that sometimes it ruins the profit potential for anyone. Of course, you feel like you're an arbiter of the forum and you have all the answers. There are absolutely times where someone undercuts low and they sell it in the same amount of time than if they had not undercut the process. I'm not talking about guys who are sitting there flipping. I bet flippers get more upset about being undercut by a lot than anyone else.
But you're not going to be bothered by this topic anymore. So that's fine. I'm kind of done with it too. I just find it funny that you felt you deserved a response after answering my original question.
No need to get personal. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. Undercutting by a significant amount will get your card sold quicker. What's funny is that I had to even explain how that works.
See that's the thing. You didn't have to explain that. I know it happens. But you aren't willing to admit that sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it just messes up the profit margin. It's gray, not black and white. You could have just said that is one reason (and I wouldn't have had an issue), but then you had to double-down and go in-depth like your answer is the only one that matters, and then go all high and mighty and ask why I didn't respond to your response. I was letting it go.
I wasn't acting high and mighty at all. I explained how undercutting significantly accelerates the process of selling items, because you literally asked me to. Which is 100% true, there is no black, white or grey when it comes to this. So yeah my answer is the only answer in this regard. I think you know this as well, but you seem to have some pet peeve against me based on your comments so it hurts that ego of yours to admit I'm right. That's fine though, unlike you I'm not that fragile so I'm not offended by any means even though I could be given the fact you made this personal for no reason at all.
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You have to be patient and let those orders go. Be part of the solution and stand strong with smaller increases/decreases. If you look at the trends the cards go back to those base amounts after the larger increment buys/sells are taken care of. Very rarely do those new orders set new trends.
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@sean_87__psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
Free market
Not even close to a free market when you have SDS setting minimums.
Ppl who espouse this phrase often have no concept of how a "free market" REALLY functions
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@aaronjw76_psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
@sean_87__psn said in PSA: Marketplace:
Free market
Not even close to a free market when you have SDS setting minimums.
Ppl who espouse this phrase often have no concept of how a "free market" REALLY functions
True, I don't like this introductions of minimums.
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People undercutting like that is bad for flippers but not everyone is trying to flip items and the undercutting is actually good for buyers so it's not even a negative thing overall
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I never used to undercut by thousands of stubs until I saw threads like this.
Now I do it all the time from the satisfaction that it is potentially annoying someone who can’t mind their own business.
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Didn't read through the thread but occasionally I do this. If I sense a card I'm flipping.... sometimes I want the buy prices to come up in order to keep the sell prices afloat. Sometimes I know prices are inflated, so I try to drive sell prices down by undercutting in the hopes the sell prices plummet and people sell at a loss.
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@aaronjw76_PSN
It’s pretty close, and you knew what I meant. This also doesn’t have the same rules and regulations. It’s a lot easier to manipulate on a video game.
