Clemente
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You're talking about age comps. If you look at overall career, his best comps according to baseballreference...
Willie Mays (782.1) *
Barry Bonds (748.7)
Albert Pujols (745.7)
Alex Rodriguez (714.9)
Frank Robinson (667.7) *
Stan Musial (666.7) *
Babe Ruth (645.9) *
Ken Griffey Jr. (629.0) *
Carl Yastrzemski (627.3) *
Rafael Palmeiro (611.1)That ain't a bad list to be on!
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@lucas8181 said in Clemente:
@joeythebigboss said in Clemente:
I hope the live series Collection is 1 of three guys . either DiMaggio probably won’t be since Another all time Yankee was the live series reward last year in Mantle , Hank Aaron or they go crazy and get the rights to Juicy Pun intended Bonds .
Bonds will never sell his rights. Even when he was a player, he retained his own rights instead of being part of the MLBPA. Hopefully one day, people will stop repeating this impossibility on forums.
Or, people like to have positive attitudes and since he’s the most asked for player in the entire DD community, a lot of people don’t mind having hope that he will one day be in the game. If you personally would like to hold that negative attitude be my guest but don’t get mad at others for being joyful and positive
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As great of a player Clemente was in real life I just don’t think he’ll transition well in the show. He’ll basically be the 99 Gwynn card but MUCH slower.
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@ikasnu_psn said in Clemente:
I know nothing about him.
Roberto Clemente has been a huge want for a long time for us "older" baseball fans. He paved the way for Latinos in the MLB and truly changed the "color" of the game.
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Hot take:
LS Collection reward: A - Rod prime card from seattle.
L&F Collection reward: Roy Campenella
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Now that we know Clemente is in, there's less than 0% chance ARod joins the party this year. They need to space out the remaining legends so that future Show iterations will have someone to sell. And ARod is on the short list of remaining potential system-sellers (like Joe D, Randy J, and Pedro M).
Campy: Not sure #644 in Career WAR is the best choice for L&F. Honus is top 10 and Trout is already at 81 with a shot at Top 20 all time.
Might be a good sport for Pujols considering this is the last card we're gonna get from him before his hiatus.
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@mr_pin_em_down07 said in Clemente:
Hot take:
LS Collection reward: A - Rod prime card from seattle.
L&F Collection reward: Roy Campenella
I think they take a year off from the big collections reward this year and do something different.
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@gradekthebard said in Clemente:
@mr_pin_em_down07 said in Clemente:
Hot take:
LS Collection reward: A - Rod prime card from seattle.
L&F Collection reward: Roy Campenella
I think they take a year off from the big collections reward this year and do something different.
I somewhat disagree. I think it’s a fan favourite, and it may sell stubs. So ya know sds be all for it
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Well, if power is still meta in 21, then yes Clemente will be a bit lackluster.
However if fielding is important, and I know they keep trying to make it matter more, he should be the best defensive RF in the game.
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I never saw Clemente play, but my understanding is that he was a tremendous outfielder with a rocket throwing arm. He might end up as one of the best fielding cards in the game. Unfortunately he didn’t have much power, so I think pwr in the 70s is probably the max. He didn’t really steal bases either. I’m interested to see what his stats will look like.
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@jellyroll198 said in Clemente:
@c7susb9_psn said in Clemente:
Would love to see:
NL: Clemente
AL: Mauer
MLB: AaronOh yeah, that Mauer card a few years ago was incredible. I would love for them to bring that card back. Not a lot of end game left handed catchers available the last few years.
Hello! That's a good point. Having 2 great catcher options, one RHB and one LHB, is a good idea for a Diamond Dynasty team. It's the main reason the 96 switch-hitting Jorge Posada card is still useful in 2020's game.
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@tinstaapp_psn said in Clemente:
I never saw Clemente play, but my understanding is that he was a tremendous outfielder with a rocket throwing arm. He might end up as one of the best fielding cards in the game. Unfortunately he didn’t have much power, so I think pwr in the 70s is probably the max. He didn’t really steal bases either. I’m interested to see what his stats will look like.
You are probably right on the power but if they do an mvp card they could boost his power up over 100. Morgan’s card this year had 108 power from a 27 hr season. Clemente hit 29 in his mvp season. Without a power boost he may not be all that usable depending on how the game plays.
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@ejwik13_psn said in Clemente:
@lucas8181 said in Clemente:
@joeythebigboss said in Clemente:
I hope the live series Collection is 1 of three guys . either DiMaggio probably won’t be since Another all time Yankee was the live series reward last year in Mantle , Hank Aaron or they go crazy and get the rights to Juicy Pun intended Bonds .
Bonds will never sell his rights. Even when he was a player, he retained his own rights instead of being part of the MLBPA. Hopefully one day, people will stop repeating this impossibility on forums.
Or, people like to have positive attitudes and since he’s the most asked for player in the entire DD community, a lot of people don’t mind having hope that he will one day be in the game. If you personally would like to hold that negative attitude be my guest but don’t get mad at others for being joyful and positive
I saw nothing negative in his post. Sad that realistic views when not agreeing with what one deems positive is viewed as negative.
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Hopefully we get more legends soon
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For everyone criticizing Clemente's power, realize that he played at Forbes most of his career. Dimensions there were 360 to left, 376 to right, 462 to center yet he still managed to hit 240 homers in his career.
the splits:
https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/player/roberto-clemente-11079/splits -
@pfcorporate_psn said in Clemente:
@tinstaapp_psn said in Clemente:
I never saw Clemente play, but my understanding is that he was a tremendous outfielder with a rocket throwing arm. He might end up as one of the best fielding cards in the game. Unfortunately he didn’t have much power, so I think pwr in the 70s is probably the max. He didn’t really steal bases either. I’m interested to see what his stats will look like.
You are probably right on the power but if they do an mvp card they could boost his power up over 100. Morgan’s card this year had 108 power from a 27 hr season. Clemente hit 29 in his mvp season. Without a power boost he may not be all that usable depending on how the game plays.
I am pretty sure power isn't tied only to HRS, but SLG.
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@nflman2033 said in Clemente:
@pfcorporate_psn said in Clemente:
@tinstaapp_psn said in Clemente:
I never saw Clemente play, but my understanding is that he was a tremendous outfielder with a rocket throwing arm. He might end up as one of the best fielding cards in the game. Unfortunately he didn’t have much power, so I think pwr in the 70s is probably the max. He didn’t really steal bases either. I’m interested to see what his stats will look like.
You are probably right on the power but if they do an mvp card they could boost his power up over 100. Morgan’s card this year had 108 power from a 27 hr season. Clemente hit 29 in his mvp season. Without a power boost he may not be all that usable depending on how the game plays.
I am pretty sure power isn't tied only to HRS, but SLG.
Could be true but seems like sds tends to correlate power to hr output. Pulling slugging in Clemente had a higher lifetime SLG that Morgan. Pretty close in mvp seasons. My point is it’s a pretty popular card so SDS has some cover to boost his power if they want to.
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@pfcorporate_psn said in Clemente:
@nflman2033 said in Clemente:
@pfcorporate_psn said in Clemente:
@tinstaapp_psn said in Clemente:
I never saw Clemente play, but my understanding is that he was a tremendous outfielder with a rocket throwing arm. He might end up as one of the best fielding cards in the game. Unfortunately he didn’t have much power, so I think pwr in the 70s is probably the max. He didn’t really steal bases either. I’m interested to see what his stats will look like.
You are probably right on the power but if they do an mvp card they could boost his power up over 100. Morgan’s card this year had 108 power from a 27 hr season. Clemente hit 29 in his mvp season. Without a power boost he may not be all that usable depending on how the game plays.
I am pretty sure power isn't tied only to HRS, but SLG.
Could be true but seems like sds tends to correlate power to hr output. Pulling slugging in Clemente had a higher lifetime SLG that Morgan. Pretty close in mvp seasons. My point is it’s a pretty popular card so SDS has some cover to boost his power if they want to.
Well, for starters, you can't talk about a card for a season then bring up a lifetime Stat to compare. What was Morgan's SLG that season.
Also don't forget that it's split based, what was Morgans SLG vs RHP that year?
And lastly don't forget the speed component.
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@nflman2033 said in Clemente:
@pfcorporate_psn said in Clemente:
@nflman2033 said in Clemente:
@pfcorporate_psn said in Clemente:
@tinstaapp_psn said in Clemente:
I never saw Clemente play, but my understanding is that he was a tremendous outfielder with a rocket throwing arm. He might end up as one of the best fielding cards in the game. Unfortunately he didn’t have much power, so I think pwr in the 70s is probably the max. He didn’t really steal bases either. I’m interested to see what his stats will look like.
You are probably right on the power but if they do an mvp card they could boost his power up over 100. Morgan’s card this year had 108 power from a 27 hr season. Clemente hit 29 in his mvp season. Without a power boost he may not be all that usable depending on how the game plays.
I am pretty sure power isn't tied only to HRS, but SLG.
Could be true but seems like sds tends to correlate power to hr output. Pulling slugging in Clemente had a higher lifetime SLG that Morgan. Pretty close in mvp seasons. My point is it’s a pretty popular card so SDS has some cover to boost his power if they want to.
Well, for starters, you can't talk about a card for a season then bring up a lifetime Stat to compare. What was Morgan's SLG that season.
Also don't forget that it's split based, what was Morgans SLG vs RHP that year?
And lastly don't forget the speed component.
Again my point is it’s a card that people have been asking for on these forums for a few years. The game tends to favor power so those tend to be the more popular cards. There is a precedent where sds will boost power if there is any way to justify it.
I’m just saying if they make Roberto Clemente Minnie minoso with a better arm people will complain all year. Nothing against minoso but I never see that card in any lineups. Clemente is a popular choice and they have a justifiable path to give him a great card.
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@zooropa_returns said in Clemente:
@ejwik13_psn said in Clemente:
@lucas8181 said in Clemente:
@joeythebigboss said in Clemente:
I hope the live series Collection is 1 of three guys . either DiMaggio probably won’t be since Another all time Yankee was the live series reward last year in Mantle , Hank Aaron or they go crazy and get the rights to Juicy Pun intended Bonds .
Bonds will never sell his rights. Even when he was a player, he retained his own rights instead of being part of the MLBPA. Hopefully one day, people will stop repeating this impossibility on forums.
Or, people like to have positive attitudes and since he’s the most asked for player in the entire DD community, a lot of people don’t mind having hope that he will one day be in the game. If you personally would like to hold that negative attitude be my guest but don’t get mad at others for being joyful and positive
I saw nothing negative in his post. Sad that realistic views when not agreeing with what one deems positive is viewed as negative.
agreed, but it's also why I visit the forums for a few days when I'm bored, then I forget all about them for weeks or months. People struggle with ideas that are counter to their own.
