Dear Checkswing Master
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@arvcpa_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
I'm just curious to see how good or bad I am in 21. Probably bad. I'm the guy who typically benefits from RNG. When I fire up the new "Competitive Mode" in MLB 21, I guess we'll see. But, I'm one of the guys that enjoyed the Beta. It felt more "real" to me.
If I can't compete with the big dogs online in 21, so be it. There's still plenty of stuff in DD to keep me interested
Agree, I prefer the game stop rewarding my bad inputs and be forced to become better.
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@ibonafidescrub_ said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Dear Checkswing Master:
Come now and tell me check swings don’t bail out bad hitters.
I didn't even read this whole thread so i don't know where convo is going.
But based off the image you are showing your pitching needs alot of work. Sorry but if this your arguement of why checkswings are broke please do us a favor and dont put up pitch placement photos like this and blame it on checkswings.
Sorry to come across so abruptly but you need to use other parts of the zone if you are gonna throw that many low pitches. I mean at least get them to think it could possibly come in higher.
The majority of those pitches are offspeed that I was hiding in the tunnels from fastballs and pitches high in the zone. The discussion is that the checkswing mechanic is broken and that player was bailed out, his best season was 640ish and he managed to get to mid 700s because it’s easier this late in the game cycle, he was swinging away hoping for fastball and checking everything else, the player obviously knows how to exploit the flaw. I used the entire strike zone, those were mostly 0-2 pitches, he was swinging at everything, I think trying to get him to chase (which he did and got bailed out) was the right thing to do.
Edit: SDS admited checkswings are broken and now instead of being decided by RNG, depending on player skill you will be able to check with success or not.
Ok that explanation paints a better picture of what was going on. So apologies for previous post but know that post was solely based off of picture. But yeah then i see issue.
It's hard for me to grasp b/c when i checkswing it's always called a strike so i quit using feature somewhere around May or June. So now people can checkswing with every Tom, Richard, or Harry in their lineup?
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@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
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@aaronjw76_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ikasnu_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
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@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Dear Checkswing Master:
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@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
a ton of people (myself included) use check swings to check our timing, and with a check swing, you get the feedback. I check swing on strikes in the zone, placed in a location I don't like. It's a strike either way, and I get specific feedback on my timing without making contact.
MLB guys do this on virtually every pitch. You see them go through their stride to time things up. The video game doesn't give us this option, so check swinging is the next best thing.
Do you check 35 times per game?
If I'm not actually swinging, I tend to check swing. Again, I get timing feedback, which is far more useful than sitting there and watching the pitch.
Work every pitch of every at bat, get as much data as possible, then use it to your advantage.
I don’t think you ever needed to check your timing 35 times in a game, also... those pitches were all out of the zone. How can a good hitter be fooled that often? Look at the pitcture I uploaded again
I hear you man, just giving you other explanations as to why/how people use the game mechanic.
I just played a 6 inning game (he dashboarded) against Nolan Ryan. I check swung at least 30 times, he threw over 100 pitches in 5 innings.
I work the count to death, but I take advantage of the ability to time pitches up in the mean time.
Thanks for confirming its an exploit.
Lol, I’ve seen Brev work pitch counts to 100+ pitches in 4 innings and never seen him checkswinging that much... yes, it’s an exploit, you’re getting bailed out too Lucas.
Again man in just glad its fixed.
Gonna be a lot of whiney ppl in 45 days lol
There are gonna be a lot of people whining to bring an exploit back and they are going to try to back it with all sorts of real game data in attempt at supporting their argument to bring back check swings.
“When Roberto alomar was in his 2nd year with the blue jays he had a game against the Yankees where he successfully check swung 47 times therefore it needs to be in the game because it’s possible”
My guess is you finding out that SDS saving the whole game with this check swing fix still isn’t going to be enough for you to be a top player.
Then just like all of 2020, you’ll come on here bitching about each and every loss and how SDS sucks, and you’re done with the game. It’s all good though, I’d be pissed too if after 13 years, in the easiest version of game to hit, I was only hitting .278.Hopefully you find peace one day because your bravado is absolutely unbearable on these forums!
️Jump on any game right now aside from 20. And I’ll smack you in it. Wanna bet? You have no idea how good I was in this game. I beat top players literally all the time. Yes I’m not good in 20. I was however good in 19. My last 2 seasons I hit 347 with my last season going undefeated. World Series 4 times. The game actually grew on me although I felt like it was flawed.
Lol. I don’t care what you think. In 19 I made it to the round of 16 in an ESL tourney and consistently hit over .300. And a better winning % clip than you. None of that matters though because you could be the best player in the world but you’re still unbearable and never contribute anything positive to this forum. And my guess is history doesn’t all of a sudden change.
Don’t go by lifetime stats there’s a lot of adjusting that some of us go through because the game has catered to players like you. That’s what my last 3 seasons looked like buddy — Btw a lot of those players you played in ESL arent unbeatable. Don’t assume and make an [censored] out of yourself. I’m no scrub. And I barely lost in 21.
Just stop
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@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@rabid55wolverine said in Dear Checkswing Master:
I had to laugh at the whole back and forth about being douchey yet the very first line you say after the whole thing of you coming off that way is to say that you help "scrubs" then go on to flex as hard as you can. Most of the time, I don't even read it all anymore because it gets lost when talk down to people. Even though you make great points, it just starts to read as I'm better than you and because of that, I know what's wrong regardless of what you think.
Just food for thought
Ok I apologize. Help players that haven’t closed the skill gap for themselves.
I mean Comon guys on here say “top players are always top players the games fine”
It’s like NO I had a 25-0 run my last World Series run in 19 and beat 2 top 50 players and now I can’t get out of division because the gameplay is not favorable to people who consistently can hit the ball.
Ppl can say it’s “bragging”. I call it falsifying a comment being made.
You went 25-0 to World Series in 19, this month... on a game over a year old that nobody good plays, come on man that’s not the way
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Funniest part of this entire thread
I check swing every pitch for “timing”
LOLLLLL
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SDS confirmed it was all RNG when they announced check swings are no longer based on discipline and are now 100% on the user.
So the margins were literally just that broken.
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@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@rabid55wolverine said in Dear Checkswing Master:
I had to laugh at the whole back and forth about being douchey yet the very first line you say after the whole thing of you coming off that way is to say that you help "scrubs" then go on to flex as hard as you can. Most of the time, I don't even read it all anymore because it gets lost when talk down to people. Even though you make great points, it just starts to read as I'm better than you and because of that, I know what's wrong regardless of what you think.
Just food for thought
Ok I apologize. Help players that haven’t closed the skill gap for themselves.
I mean Comon guys on here say “top players are always top players the games fine”
It’s like NO I had a 25-0 run my last World Series run in 19 and beat 2 top 50 players and now I can’t get out of division because the gameplay is not favorable to people who consistently can hit the ball.
Ppl can say it’s “bragging”. I call it falsifying a comment being made.
You went 25-0 to World Series in 19, this month... on a game over a year old that nobody good plays, come on man that’s not the way
Every post so toxic!! My pleasure to block you and your posts!!
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@rabid55wolverine said in Dear Checkswing Master:
I had to laugh at the whole back and forth about being douchey yet the very first line you say after the whole thing of you coming off that way is to say that you help "scrubs" then go on to flex as hard as you can. Most of the time, I don't even read it all anymore because it gets lost when talk down to people. Even though you make great points, it just starts to read as I'm better than you and because of that, I know what's wrong regardless of what you think.
Just food for thought
Ok I apologize. Help players that haven’t closed the skill gap for themselves.
I mean Comon guys on here say “top players are always top players the games fine”
It’s like NO I had a 25-0 run my last World Series run in 19 and beat 2 top 50 players and now I can’t get out of division because the gameplay is not favorable to people who consistently can hit the ball.
Ppl can say it’s “bragging”. I call it falsifying a comment being made.
You went 25-0 to World Series in 19, this month... on a game over a year old that nobody good plays, come on man that’s not the way
Every post so toxic!! My pleasure to block you and your posts!!
Sounds good!!
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@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@pnwtroutbum_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@pnwtroutbum_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@aaronjw76_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ikasnu_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ikasnu_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
a ton of people (myself included) use check swings to check our timing, and with a check swing, you get the feedback. I check swing on strikes in the zone, placed in a location I don't like. It's a strike either way, and I get specific feedback on my timing without making contact.
MLB guys do this on virtually every pitch. You see them go through their stride to time things up. The video game doesn't give us this option, so check swinging is the next best thing.
Do you check 35 times per game?
If I'm not actually swinging, I tend to check swing. Again, I get timing feedback, which is far more useful than sitting there and watching the pitch.
Work every pitch of every at bat, get as much data as possible, then use it to your advantage.
I don’t think you ever needed to check your timing 35 times in a game, also... those pitches were all out of the zone. How can a good hitter be fooled that often? Look at the pitcture I uploaded again
I hear you man, just giving you other explanations as to why/how people use the game mechanic.
I just played a 6 inning game (he dashboarded) against Nolan Ryan. I check swung at least 30 times, he threw over 100 pitches in 5 innings.
I work the count to death, but I take advantage of the ability to time pitches up in the mean time.
Thanks for confirming its an exploit.
Lol, I’ve seen Brev work pitch counts to 100+ pitches in 4 innings and never seen him checkswinging that much... yes, it’s an exploit, you’re getting bailed out too Lucas.
Again man in just glad its fixed.
Gonna be a lot of whiney ppl in 45 days lol
There are gonna be a lot of people whining to bring an exploit back and they are going to try to back it with all sorts of real game data in attempt at supporting their argument to bring back check swings.
“When Roberto alomar was in his 2nd year with the blue jays he had a game against the Yankees where he successfully check swung 47 times therefore it needs to be in the game because it’s possible”
My guess is you finding out that SDS saving the whole game with this check swing fix still isn’t going to be enough for you to be a top player.
Then just like all of 2020, you’ll come on here bitching about each and every loss and how SDS sucks, and you’re done with the game. It’s all good though, I’d be pissed too if after 13 years, in the easiest version of game to hit, I was only hitting .278.Hopefully you find peace one day because your bravado is absolutely unbearable on these forums!
️Jump on any game right now aside from 20. And I’ll smack you in it. Wanna bet? You have no idea how good I was in this game. I beat top players literally all the time. Yes I’m not good in 20. I was however good in 19. My last 2 seasons I hit 347 with my last season going undefeated. World Series 4 times. The game actually grew on me although I felt like it was flawed.
Lol. I don’t care what you think. In 19 I made it to the round of 16 in an ESL tourney and consistently hit over .300. And a better winning % clip than you. None of that matters though because you could be the best player in the world but you’re still unbearable and never contribute anything positive to this forum. And my guess is history doesn’t all of a sudden change.
Don’t go by lifetime stats there’s a lot of adjusting that some of us go through because the game has catered to players like you. That’s what my last 3 seasons looked like buddy — Btw a lot of those players you played in ESL arent unbeatable. Don’t assume and make an [censored] out of yourself. I’m no scrub. And I barely lost in 21.
Just stop
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@rabid55wolverine said in Dear Checkswing Master:
I had to laugh at the whole back and forth about being douchey yet the very first line you say after the whole thing of you coming off that way is to say that you help "scrubs" then go on to flex as hard as you can. Most of the time, I don't even read it all anymore because it gets lost when talk down to people. Even though you make great points, it just starts to read as I'm better than you and because of that, I know what's wrong regardless of what you think.
Just food for thought
Ok I apologize. Help players that haven’t closed the skill gap for themselves.
I mean Comon guys on here say “top players are always top players the games fine”
It’s like NO I had a 25-0 run my last World Series run in 19 and beat 2 top 50 players and now I can’t get out of division because the gameplay is not favorable to people who consistently can hit the ball.
Ppl can say it’s “bragging”. I call it falsifying a comment being made.
You went 25-0 to World Series in 19, this month... on a game over a year old that nobody good plays, come on man that’s not the way
Every post so toxic!! My pleasure to block you and your posts!!
I don’t understand why this guy wants me to be the worst player ever.
I honestly wish he’d put 19 in and play me...fat chance.
Hes ranked high enough. But I think his pride wouldn’t let him. Win lose I’d post the results and. Say GG
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@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@rabid55wolverine said in Dear Checkswing Master:
I had to laugh at the whole back and forth about being douchey yet the very first line you say after the whole thing of you coming off that way is to say that you help "scrubs" then go on to flex as hard as you can. Most of the time, I don't even read it all anymore because it gets lost when talk down to people. Even though you make great points, it just starts to read as I'm better than you and because of that, I know what's wrong regardless of what you think.
Just food for thought
Ok I apologize. Help players that haven’t closed the skill gap for themselves.
I mean Comon guys on here say “top players are always top players the games fine”
It’s like NO I had a 25-0 run my last World Series run in 19 and beat 2 top 50 players and now I can’t get out of division because the gameplay is not favorable to people who consistently can hit the ball.
Ppl can say it’s “bragging”. I call it falsifying a comment being made.
You went 25-0 to World Series in 19, this month... on a game over a year old that nobody good plays, come on man that’s not the way
Every post so toxic!! My pleasure to block you and your posts!!
I don’t understand why this guy wants me to be the worst player ever.
I honestly wish he’d put 19 in and play me...fat chance.
Hes ranked high enough. But I think his pride wouldn’t let him. Win lose I’d post the results and. Say GG
Not worth time and effort. You are better off focusing positive energy on more important things.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@a_perfectgame said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@rabid55wolverine said in Dear Checkswing Master:
I had to laugh at the whole back and forth about being douchey yet the very first line you say after the whole thing of you coming off that way is to say that you help "scrubs" then go on to flex as hard as you can. Most of the time, I don't even read it all anymore because it gets lost when talk down to people. Even though you make great points, it just starts to read as I'm better than you and because of that, I know what's wrong regardless of what you think.
Just food for thought
Ok I apologize. Help players that haven’t closed the skill gap for themselves.
I mean Comon guys on here say “top players are always top players the games fine”
It’s like NO I had a 25-0 run my last World Series run in 19 and beat 2 top 50 players and now I can’t get out of division because the gameplay is not favorable to people who consistently can hit the ball.
Ppl can say it’s “bragging”. I call it falsifying a comment being made.
You went 25-0 to World Series in 19, this month... on a game over a year old that nobody good plays, come on man that’s not the way
Every post so toxic!! My pleasure to block you and your posts!!
I don’t understand why this guy wants me to be the worst player ever.
I honestly wish he’d put 19 in and play me...fat chance.
Hes ranked high enough. But I think his pride wouldn’t let him. Win lose I’d post the results and. Say GG
Not worth time and effort. You are better off focusing positive energy on more important things.
I like a good challenge. He is good in the game though I’ll give him that. But I love being the under dog.
I think it would be fun. I like my chances of def earning the respect that I’m not a scrub.
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Checkswinging is a human right. There I said it.
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It’s been the same complaints for 4 years straight with the same .550 winning percentage all 4 years. Here’s a direct quote from you about 19:
“Until I just went back to it. God this game is atrocious. It’s by far the most mind boggling version of mlb ever. I hated 18 but I must say I think 19 is worse. It’s just a random series of outcomes especially on Allstar and below.”
But now because you went 25-0 to World Series in 19 (in March of 2021 mind you) 19 is all good? “Let’s put in 19 and play” C’mon now, if you won more/were better you would not complain near as much as you do. It’ll be the same in 21 I can almost guarantee it.
You know what? I’m going to screen shot this so that when you’re making the same complaints in 21 I’ll have it.
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“Until I just went back to it. God this game is atrocious. It’s by far the most mind boggling version of mlb ever. I hated 18 but I must say I think 19 is worse. It’s just a random series of outcomes especially on Allstar and below.”
What’s changed from when you made this post about 19? Have there been a bunch of patches to the game since you made That post in January of 2020? I thought they stopped putting out patches in like October? Right the only difference now is that you’re winning...
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@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
It’s been the same complaints for 4 years straight with the same .550 winning percentage all 4 years. Here’s a direct quote from you about 19:
“Until I just went back to it. God this game is atrocious. It’s by far the most mind boggling version of mlb ever. I hated 18 but I must say I think 19 is worse. It’s just a random series of outcomes especially on Allstar and below.”
But now because you went 25-0 to World Series in 19 (in March of 2021 mind you) 19 is all good? “Let’s put in 19 and play” C’mon now, if you won more/were better you would not complain near as much as you do. It’ll be the same in 21 I can almost guarantee it.
You know what? I’m going to screen shot this so that when you’re making the same complaints in 21 I’ll have it.
Gottem...
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@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
Funniest part of this entire thread
I check swing every pitch for “timing”
LOLLLLL
Do tell, how do you check your timing? Do you just hope for the best? Do you strike out 10 times a game? Do you just pray to the Gods?
Sadly, no two games play the same online. In one game, you'll be early on 101 FB's, in another game you have to swing as soon as the ball leaves the hand to make late contact.
So, if you find it so funny, spread the secret you're keeping from the rest of us!
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@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
Funniest part of this entire thread
I check swing every pitch for “timing”
LOLLLLL
Do tell, how do you check your timing? Do you just hope for the best? Do you strike out 10 times a game? Do you just pray to the Gods?
Sadly, no two games play the same online. In one game, you'll be early on 101 FB's, in another game you have to swing as soon as the ball leaves the hand to make late contact.
So, if you find it so funny, spread the secret you're keeping from the rest of us!
30 check swings on 6 innings
you don’t have your timing down after 1 inning? I don’t see the same difference in games that you do , I guess in the words of demise my connection is just good enough to not have to worry about that. I never have to swing as soon as the ball leaves the pitchers hands and I’m certainly not check swinging every pitch like you are. Maybe go talk to your “personal friend CBrev” for tips on how to be good 
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@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
Funniest part of this entire thread
I check swing every pitch for “timing”
LOLLLLL
Do tell, how do you check your timing? Do you just hope for the best? Do you strike out 10 times a game? Do you just pray to the Gods?
Sadly, no two games play the same online. In one game, you'll be early on 101 FB's, in another game you have to swing as soon as the ball leaves the hand to make late contact.
So, if you find it so funny, spread the secret you're keeping from the rest of us!
30 check swings on 6 innings
you don’t have your timing down after 1 inning? I don’t see the same difference in games that you do , I guess in the words of demise my connection is just good enough to not have to worry about that. I never have to swing as soon as the ball leaves the pitchers hands and I’m certainly not check swinging every pitch like you are. Maybe go talk to your “personal friend CBrev” for tips on how to be good ️Weird personal attacks, but that tells me everything I need to know about you, thanks for the heads up.
Yes, the better the internet connection, the more lag you experience. I am on Fiber in my house and the game is all over the place. When I play on wifi at work, it's much more stable. There are pages and pages of discussion on the how and why of that. But you are correct, your internet seems to be just right for stable game play.
For some of us, every inning is a completely different experience. As the game rubber bands back and forth to adjust it's an absolute nightmare. It's better if I'm the home team, but I don't want to always back out of games on repeat until I'm at home.
At no time have I ever stated that I check swing every pitch. If you had taken the time to read (I know, tough for you), you would have seen that I used one extreme example from my most recent game. I was offering a possible answer for the OP, certainly not taking a position one way or another on the mechanics.
Later in the thread, I discuss the welcome change with check swings coming to 2021. But go on, tell us how big of a man you are
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@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@lucas8181 said in Dear Checkswing Master:
@the_canuckler said in Dear Checkswing Master:
Funniest part of this entire thread
I check swing every pitch for “timing”
LOLLLLL
Do tell, how do you check your timing? Do you just hope for the best? Do you strike out 10 times a game? Do you just pray to the Gods?
Sadly, no two games play the same online. In one game, you'll be early on 101 FB's, in another game you have to swing as soon as the ball leaves the hand to make late contact.
So, if you find it so funny, spread the secret you're keeping from the rest of us!
30 check swings on 6 innings
you don’t have your timing down after 1 inning? I don’t see the same difference in games that you do , I guess in the words of demise my connection is just good enough to not have to worry about that. I never have to swing as soon as the ball leaves the pitchers hands and I’m certainly not check swinging every pitch like you are. Maybe go talk to your “personal friend CBrev” for tips on how to be good ️Weird personal attacks, but that tells me everything I need to know about you, thanks for the heads up.
Yes, the better the internet connection, the more lag you experience. I am on Fiber in my house and the game is all over the place. When I play on wifi at work, it's much more stable. There are pages and pages of discussion on the how and why of that. But you are correct, your internet seems to be just right for stable game play.
For some of us, every inning is a completely different experience. As the game rubber bands back and forth to adjust it's an absolute nightmare. It's better if I'm the home team, but I don't want to always back out of games on repeat until I'm at home.
At no time have I ever stated that I check swing every pitch. If you had taken the time to read (I know, tough for you), you would have seen that I used one extreme example from my most recent game. I was offering a possible answer for the OP, certainly not taking a position one way or another on the mechanics.
Later in the thread, I discuss the welcome change with check swings coming to 2021. But go on, tell us how big of a man you are
Please do go on and try to justify check swinging constantly as getting your timing
we should run a game sometime, I’d love to see how many of these check swings are flails
