Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen

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ya i m not going to run around on a wild goose chase to get a xbx or ps5. Ill be happy w/ 21 on my last gen systems just fine.

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I think OP is just salty they don't have a next gen system

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I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

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@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

SDS

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

Good summary. Both are flawed in practice, sad emoji

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@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

Good summary. Both are flawed in practice, sad emoji

Except capitalism generates wealth and socialism does not. That’s why capitalism is successful and socialism has never been aside from Scandinavian countries which is a whole other discussion as to why...and that why would never be possible in any country that has any sort of immigration unfortunately for literally almost every country.

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@longhornslegend_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

This is a really silly complaint to be upset that a new console has a next gen feature that last gen can't do. That's expected.

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@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

Good summary. Both are flawed in practice, sad emoji

Except capitalism generates wealth and socialism does not. That’s why capitalism is successful and socialism has never been aside from Scandinavian countries which is a whole other discussion as to why...and that why would never be possible in any country that has any sort of immigration unfortunately for literally almost every country.

Capitalism has also led to the death of the mom and pop shop and lead to super industries/companies that ultimately hold the country by the nads. Low prices plus the sake of convenience has led to multi billionairs who refuse to let go of their money.

Nobody shops at mom and pop shops because they're too expensive. Trickle down economics hasn't worked like intended and nothing is being done about it.

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@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

Good summary. Both are flawed in practice, sad emoji

Except capitalism generates wealth and socialism does not. That’s why capitalism is successful and socialism has never been aside from Scandinavian countries which is a whole other discussion as to why...and that why would never be possible in any country that has any sort of immigration unfortunately for literally almost every country.

I know this is off topic but we’re educating the children on this forum so let’s keep it going.

They are both flawed because of one thing. The humans.

The concepts are great, until humans start interfering with them.

In implementing capitalism, the humans practice ‘every man for himself’ and succumb to greed. 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

In implementing socialism, the humans in control succumb to greed and 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

The divides are probably even worse but I’m just using the Pareto Principle as a fallback.

I’m not passing this off as fact, this is simply my opinion.

TLDR: basically humans ruin any chance we have to be equitable, regardless of the type of society. We suck, plain and simple.

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What has me confused is that it appears the only version available for preorder if you have a PS4 is the standard, which you don’t get any of the diamond or gold player packs, etc...even though for the deluxe it says PS4/PS5 in the description but then says PS5 only when clicking to preorder

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@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

Good summary. Both are flawed in practice, sad emoji

Except capitalism generates wealth and socialism does not. That’s why capitalism is successful and socialism has never been aside from Scandinavian countries which is a whole other discussion as to why...and that why would never be possible in any country that has any sort of immigration unfortunately for literally almost every country.

I know this is off topic but we’re educating the children on this forum so let’s keep it going.

They are both flawed because of one thing. The humans.

The concepts are great, until humans start interfering with them.

In implementing capitalism, the humans practice ‘every man for himself’ and succumb to greed. 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

In implementing socialism, the humans in control succumb to greed and 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

The divides are probably even worse but I’m just using the Pareto Principle as a fallback.

I’m not passing this off as fact, this is simply my opinion.

TLDR: basically humans ruin any chance we have to be equitable, regardless of the type of society. We suck, plain and simple.

Only capitalism isn’t responsible for the death of 100s of millions of people and socialism is. In fact socialism always leads to death. The gulags in Russia in the 20th century, Maoist China, Stalin, hitler, Venezuela the list goes on. They aren’t even remotely comparable as far as the level of catastrophe they cause. Capitalist countries are sustainable economically —socialist countries are not.

That is mainly due to the fact that capitalism generates wealth. It does like you said put a lot of wealth in a small percentage of peoples hands however generating it makes for progress.

Socialism does not generate wealth. Using the wealth that is available from when the country WAS capitalist up until the point that the money runs out and then people began to eat their own family members (sounds over the top but their were actually signs put up in Ukraine stating “it is not ok to eat your children”) back in the 20th century

The argument you are making is capitalism and socialism aren’t the answer I can agree. But that’s comparing apples to oranges.

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@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

Good summary. Both are flawed in practice, sad emoji

Except capitalism generates wealth and socialism does not. That’s why capitalism is successful and socialism has never been aside from Scandinavian countries which is a whole other discussion as to why...and that why would never be possible in any country that has any sort of immigration unfortunately for literally almost every country.

I know this is off topic but we’re educating the children on this forum so let’s keep it going.

They are both flawed because of one thing. The humans.

The concepts are great, until humans start interfering with them.

In implementing capitalism, the humans practice ‘every man for himself’ and succumb to greed. 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

In implementing socialism, the humans in control succumb to greed and 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

The divides are probably even worse but I’m just using the Pareto Principle as a fallback.

I’m not passing this off as fact, this is simply my opinion.

TLDR: basically humans ruin any chance we have to be equitable, regardless of the type of society. We suck, plain and simple.

Only capitalism isn’t responsible for the death of 100s of millions of people and socialism is. In fact socialism always leads to death. The gulags in Russia in the 20th century, Maoist China, Stalin, hitler, Venezuela the list goes on. They aren’t even remotely comparable as far as the level of catastrophe they cause. Capitalist countries are sustainable economically —socialist countries are not.

That is mainly due to the fact that capitalism generates wealth. It does like you said put a lot of wealth in a small percentage of peoples hands however generating it makes for progress.

Socialism does not generate wealth. Using the wealth that is available from when the country WAS capitalist up until the point that the money runs out and then people began to eat their own family members (sounds over the top but their were actually signs put up in Ukraine stating “it is not ok to eat your children”) back in the 20th century

The argument you are making is capitalism and socialism aren’t the answer I can agree. But that’s comparing apples to oranges.

I’d pursue the ‘leads to death’ angle in more depth however that’s the sort of talk that will close the thread so considering this is off topic I won’t do that. I will say though that the socialism model isn’t the cause of those deaths, it was the wrong people in power. The wrong people in power in a capitalist economy could and inevitably will result in unnecessary death.

I agree that I am comparing apples and oranges. But eventually if you leave them out in the sun for long enough they will both go rotten.

I am in over my head here. I have no background or knowledge on the topic.

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@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@red_ted_is_back said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@a_perfectgame said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

@t00muchham_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

I have some bad news...moving forward, do not expect too many updates for the PS4 and Xbox One versions. They'll hamper the next gen-experience. And the dev team will not split into two teams to make two different generations of the game. Game development is already a 12-15 month process with a full team working on one version of the game.

This is an unusual year. Yes, scalpers have ruined the next-gen purchasing experience, and I could give two-sh1+s about the "free market." People should not be allowed to purchase a new product and upsell it by 150%+, especially when the demand is incredibly high and stock low. It should be against the law, and I feel for people that are impacted by immoral practices.

Not only that but there are hardware components that are difficult to come-by since medical equipment manufacturing has increased due to covid. In due-time people will have next-gen systems. If you want to hold-out on the game, I understand; and the previous generations will be getting watered down ports moving forward.

@A_PerfectGame -- free market and equal opportunity are not the same thing. I like your posts, thoughts and opinions but those two terms are water and oil when compared to one-another.

Capitalism = Free and aggressive market
Socialism = Equality

Actually socialism is equity of outcome and capitalism is equity of opportunity.

Good summary. Both are flawed in practice, sad emoji

Except capitalism generates wealth and socialism does not. That’s why capitalism is successful and socialism has never been aside from Scandinavian countries which is a whole other discussion as to why...and that why would never be possible in any country that has any sort of immigration unfortunately for literally almost every country.

I know this is off topic but we’re educating the children on this forum so let’s keep it going.

They are both flawed because of one thing. The humans.

The concepts are great, until humans start interfering with them.

In implementing capitalism, the humans practice ‘every man for himself’ and succumb to greed. 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

In implementing socialism, the humans in control succumb to greed and 80% of the wealth is controlled by 20% of the people. Or worse.

The divides are probably even worse but I’m just using the Pareto Principle as a fallback.

I’m not passing this off as fact, this is simply my opinion.

TLDR: basically humans ruin any chance we have to be equitable, regardless of the type of society. We suck, plain and simple.

Only capitalism isn’t responsible for the death of 100s of millions of people and socialism is. In fact socialism always leads to death. The gulags in Russia in the 20th century, Maoist China, Stalin, hitler, Venezuela the list goes on. They aren’t even remotely comparable as far as the level of catastrophe they cause. Capitalist countries are sustainable economically —socialist countries are not.

That is mainly due to the fact that capitalism generates wealth. It does like you said put a lot of wealth in a small percentage of peoples hands however generating it makes for progress.

Socialism does not generate wealth. Using the wealth that is available from when the country WAS capitalist up until the point that the money runs out and then people began to eat their own family members (sounds over the top but their were actually signs put up in Ukraine stating “it is not ok to eat your children”) back in the 20th century

The argument you are making is capitalism and socialism aren’t the answer I can agree. But that’s comparing apples to oranges.

I’d pursue the ‘leads to death’ angle in more depth however that’s the sort of talk that will close the thread so considering this is off topic I won’t do that. I will say though that the socialism model isn’t the cause of those deaths, it was the wrong people in power. The wrong people in power in a capitalist economy could and inevitably will result in unnecessary death.

I agree that I am comparing apples and oranges. But eventually if you leave them out in the sun for long enough they will both go rotten.

I am in over my head here. I have no background or knowledge on the topic.

Jordan Peterson goes into “the wrong people in power” argument. And imo he pretty much debunks it. Power corrupts. Not vice versa. And evidence of that is that in every example of socialism...power has corrupted.

Like you said in your original post. People suck.

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@Red_Ted_is_back and @A_PerfectGame ...

Very good, respectful arguments on both sides. A rarity these days in life, and on the forum. Kudos to you both. So... not ALL people suck.

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Well I highly doubt the servers are any better on next gen then previous gen. That’s always been the yearly issue for the first few months of release. I think the cross gen will present even more network disruptions.

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@officer-kirby_xbl said in Don't Get The Show 21 unless you have next gen:

Well I highly doubt the servers are any better on next gen then previous gen. That’s always been the yearly issue for the first few months of release. I think the cross gen will present even more network disruptions.

Worse then the network issues are framerate issues. A lot of “lag” you experience in MLB is nothing to do with internet but frame issues