Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?
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@savefarris_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
A LOT of talk about letting offline stats count towards prestiging cards. So I did some research last night.
I prestiged 7 cards this year (all pitchers):
Paxton
Gallegos
Anderson
Felix
Oswalt
Feller
RiveraI then went and looked at my offline stats, added them to my online stats, and see if they'd have made a difference.
Cards I would have prestiged if Offline counted:
Hendricks
Maddux
SniderCards I was only a category or 2 off from prestiging if offline counted:
Chipper
Gregorious
Helton
MantleNow, if we knew going in that offline stats counted, that DEFINTELY would have affected lineup construction. But as it is, not counting online stats ended up not making much of a difference.
I think the main reason for offline is to steer people away from stat-wh0ring and trading homers on event games.
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@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
As long as people can prestige in events, there is absolutely no argument that can be made to justify it being online only. Playing the CPU on rookie would take longer to prestige a card than the “grinding” that went on in events this year.
I disagree. I don’t think accumulating innings pitched and strikeouts vs the cpu on ANY difficulty can be compared to doing so versus opponents online, event or otherwise.
Besides, if you are saying prestiging cards online in events is easy, then what is the rub? Why don’t all you cpu grinders just play events then?
Honestly, our discussion is moot because they will do whatever they do regardless of popular opinion.
The real issue is not prestiging cards online or offline, it is that online gameplay is awful.
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@ikasnu_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Remove prestige all together imo.
Bring back My Career missions, add players to those missions as rewards.
Since I was new to DD this year, can you explain "My Career" missions in 100 words or less?
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@arvcpa_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@ikasnu_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Remove prestige all together imo.
Bring back My Career missions, add players to those missions as rewards.
Since I was new to DD this year, can you explain "My Career" missions in 100 words or less?
Completing basic mission tiers earned you stubs, xp, and tickets that were used at the ticket counter for cards. Missions started as common, and as your progressed through the tiers diamond would reward you 14k stubs.
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@ikasnu_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@arvcpa_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@ikasnu_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Remove prestige all together imo.
Bring back My Career missions, add players to those missions as rewards.
Since I was new to DD this year, can you explain "My Career" missions in 100 words or less?
Completing basic mission tiers earned you stubs, xp, and tickets that were used at the ticket counter for cards. Missions started as common, and as your progressed through the tiers diamond would reward you 14k stubs.
That sounds... AWESOME. And... less than 40 words. A+
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@arvcpa_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@ikasnu_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@arvcpa_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@ikasnu_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Remove prestige all together imo.
Bring back My Career missions, add players to those missions as rewards.
Since I was new to DD this year, can you explain "My Career" missions in 100 words or less?
Completing basic mission tiers earned you stubs, xp, and tickets that were used at the ticket counter for cards. Missions started as common, and as your progressed through the tiers diamond would reward you 14k stubs.
That sounds... AWESOME. And... less than 40 words. A+
Also forgot to mention these missions were stat based and tracked across all modes in DD.
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@mr_pin_em_down07 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
Especially considering that people who grind vs the CPU for cards are weak players, which is why they play vs CPU. A good online player knows that it's about using cards that you are good with not just using the best cards. Give me a God squad and put me up against any top player and let them only choose gold or less and they will beat me 10 out of 10 times.
Very true. Take KevinGohd for example. He is a very talented player. If you give him the best statistic players, he does not perform as well with those cards as he does with his usual team. Even though some of those cards on his current team are not "GodSquad" worthy cards. Its all about comfort. I had a better avg with mcutchin than i do currently with machado.
That cutch was criminally underrated. It also seemed like everyone Grooved hun a first pitch heater
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
As long as people can prestige in events, there is absolutely no argument that can be made to justify it being online only. Playing the CPU on rookie would take longer to prestige a card than the “grinding” that went on in events this year.
I disagree. I don’t think accumulating innings pitched and strikeouts vs the cpu on ANY difficulty can be compared to doing so versus opponents online, event or otherwise.
Besides, if you are saying prestiging cards online in events is easy, then what is the rub? Why don’t all you cpu grinders just play events then?
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I prestiged both Rivera and Orel in events and it wasn’t all that much harder/more time consuming than playing cpu. Start the pitcher, pitch a few innings, quit, forfeit entry, and back in. I had no problem in either case getting the k’s in before the innings were done, so the on.y time difference between that and cpu play was the re-entering of the event.
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because many people hate h2h play (including events).
I go back to, there is no legitimate reason to have prestige online only if it can be done in events.
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@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I go back to, there is no legitimate reason to have prestige online only if it can be done in events.
I really am not understanding your point.
Your #2 is my sticking point. Why don’t “those people” like to play h2h? I would venture to say it is because they are not good enough to do as you suggest.
I don’t love grinding vs cpu. I think the entire point of DD is to put together your best team then play against others. That said, if I need to do it to get a certain card, then I will.
The whole, “why can’t us offline grinders prestige our cards the way we want to” just comes off as wanting to get something without actually earning it.
It’s like me saying, “I don’t like grinding vs cpu but I want Gehrig and Ruth. Give me Gehrig and Ruth as online rewards too!”
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I go back to, there is no legitimate reason to have prestige online only if it can be done in events.
I really am not understanding your point.
Your #2 is my sticking point. Why don’t “those people” like to play h2h? I would venture to say it is because they are not good enough to do as you suggest.
I don’t love grinding vs cpu. I think the entire point of DD is to put together your best team then play against others. That said, if I need to do it to get a certain card, then I will.
The whole, “why can’t us offline grinders prestige our cards the way we want to” just comes off as wanting to get something without actually earning it.
People hate h2h for many reasons, but for me personally it is to avoid all the basement dwelling losers who make a mockery of the game (bunt dancing, infinite extra leads, diving around on pop ups, etc)
Please never again use the word earn with prestiged cards. If it was ranked only you might have a gripe, but getting prestiged in events didn’t require anything other than grinding or knowing how to change your team name.
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@arvcpa_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@ikasnu_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Remove prestige all together imo.
Bring back My Career missions, add players to those missions as rewards.
Since I was new to DD this year, can you explain "My Career" missions in 100 words or less?
MLB The Show 17: Had MyCareer missions with a chance to earn 23K worth of stubs for each for 16 different stat types. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1BoB4tHuuc
18: Essentially replaced by monthly timed missions that spread out the requirements and rewards over the course of the year.
19: Folded into the Innings Programs, where every 3 to 4 weeks during the season, a new program came out that combined stat grinds, collections, moments, conquest, daily missions, and a few other nuggets to give a s***-ton of rewards, including "end game" players.
20: Innings Program continued, with A GARGANTUAN amount of free packs just waiting to be collected.
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@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Especially considering that people who grind vs the CPU for cards are weak players, which is why they play vs CPU. A good online player knows that it's about using cards that you are good with not just using the best cards. Give me a God squad and put me up against any top player and let them only choose gold or less and they will beat me 10 out of 10 times.
The first part of what you said sounds really assumptive and condescending. I put about 1,000 hours a year into the game, I just hate playing online. Offline is more relaxed, I can pause whenever I want, no goober opponents running down the timer or acting like idiots, I can play in MLB parks, etc. Yes, some players work better for me and I use those guys. I start Johnny Damon over Mantle, Trea Turner over Tatis, but that’s who I hit best with. Would I use Prestiged Mantle? No, but I would love a Prestiged Damon. Why shouldn’t I be able to get one, even if the grind is on Hall Of Fame or above?
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Prestige was a useless time sink. Spend more time playing with a card to get a better one you ended up using less. Watching your earned stats disappear because people would dashboard.
I just lost another Trout HR to a dashboard in the new event. 1 hit, 1 XBH, 1 run, and 2 RBIs out the dang door because someone got a case of hurtbut.
They should've know better from previous years where online stats created an issue. I wish prestige would go the way of the immortals and souvenirs (disappear). If it does come back, it needs to be inclusive for online or offline and people can quit worrying about how cards are earned and play the game
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@chuck_dizzle29 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Prestige was a useless time sink. Spend more time playing with a card to get a better one you ended up using less.
This. This. THIS.
Once I prestiged a card, I never used them again because I was too busy prestiging everyone else.
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@savefarris_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Prestige was a useless time sink. Spend more time playing with a card to get a better one you ended up using less.
This. This. THIS.
Once I prestiged a card, I never used them again because I was too busy prestiging everyone else.
Again, I see the main point of "prestige" cards is that it is another card to collect. It seems many players do enough to complete the thresholds needed to collect that red diamond, then on to the next card. Not many players really do it to use that prestige card regularly.
This is the main reason why I dont understand why people would care if its online vs offline. The whole point of getting that card is to complete something, it's not necessarily to use it. The +3 doesn't make a noticeable difference for the most part anyway.
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The only benefits I really see were it A. It was a pitcher who got additional velocity and control B. A player's defense got boosted to diamond for their primary or secondary positions C. The player had the shift removed for the Prestige version see Ken Griffey Jr.
A lot of these prestiged cards seemed to play worse anyways. I would rather face Prestige Orel over that Blue version.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
Especially considering that people who grind vs the CPU for cards are weak players, which is why they play vs CPU. A good online player knows that it's about using cards that you are good with not just using the best cards. Give me a God squad and put me up against any top player and let them only choose gold or less and they will beat me 10 out of 10 times.
Yeh listen I play the game just to use the players I love now and as a kid... I am not looking to beat any Top 100 player just want to use a fun team
I think there are a lot of players like you, but the question becomes, why do you need to “prestige” those cards?
Other than sheer completionism, I see no reason why prestiged cards are relevant vs the cpu.
I dont LOL... I just want to acquire all players I want could care less about prestige
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@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
Especially considering that people who grind vs the CPU for cards are weak players, which is why they play vs CPU. A good online player knows that it's about using cards that you are good with not just using the best cards. Give me a God squad and put me up against any top player and let them only choose gold or less and they will beat me 10 out of 10 times.
Yeh listen I play the game just to use the players I love now and as a kid... I am not looking to beat any Top 100 player just want to use a fun team
I think there are a lot of players like you, but the question becomes, why do you need to “prestige” those cards?
Other than sheer completionism, I see no reason why prestiged cards are relevant vs the cpu.
I dont LOL... I just want to acquire all players I want could care less about prestige
Fair enough!
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@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I go back to, there is no legitimate reason to have prestige online only if it can be done in events.
I really am not understanding your point.
Your #2 is my sticking point. Why don’t “those people” like to play h2h? I would venture to say it is because they are not good enough to do as you suggest.
I don’t love grinding vs cpu. I think the entire point of DD is to put together your best team then play against others. That said, if I need to do it to get a certain card, then I will.
The whole, “why can’t us offline grinders prestige our cards the way we want to” just comes off as wanting to get something without actually earning it.
People hate h2h for many reasons, but for me personally it is to avoid all the basement dwelling losers who make a mockery of the game (bunt dancing, infinite extra leads, diving around on pop ups, etc)
Please never again use the word earn with prestiged cards. If it was ranked only you might have a gripe, but getting prestiged in events didn’t require anything other than grinding or knowing how to change your team name.
You know, I did most of my prestige stats for starting pitchers in ranked. 7 or 8 IP in a RS game is not the same as what you are describing in events.
I will say this, I just faced a guy obviously trying to prestige Nick Anderson by starting him. He was fatigued and my opponent left him in for a second inning despite his energy being in the red.
He quit two outs into the second after giving up three bombs and five runs. Now I’m happy about this because I got Salvy’s last XBH but it’s not great for the game when the focus on stats becomes so prominent.
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@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
Especially considering that people who grind vs the CPU for cards are weak players, which is why they play vs CPU. A good online player knows that it's about using cards that you are good with not just using the best cards. Give me a God squad and put me up against any top player and let them only choose gold or less and they will beat me 10 out of 10 times.
Yeh listen I play the game just to use the players I love now and as a kid... I am not looking to beat any Top 100 player just want to use a fun team
I think there are a lot of players like you, but the question becomes, why do you need to “prestige” those cards?
Other than sheer completionism, I see no reason why prestiged cards are relevant vs the cpu.
I dont LOL... I just want to acquire all players I want could care less about prestige
This is how I feel
