Is Honus Wagner not good?

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I keep seeing people raving about Foxx & haven’t really seen people say much about him. Has he underperformed?

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I'm probably in the minority here, but last year I didn't really love Honus. He was good, but I never found him to be great. There also weren't a ton of great SS options last year so his speed, defense and bat made him the best option aside from maybe a CAP. In my opinion his greatest asset was his versatility because he could play everywhere aside from catcher.

This year there's so many great SS options that Honus kind of gets lost in the mix. Most players by now have the free 99 Tatis, and the 250k price tag that Honus brings is likely just not worth it to a lot of people - myself included.

As a bench bat I suppose he's pretty useful, but when you compare him to the other 2 bosses (Foxx and Jansen) and look at his cost against free 99's like J-Ram, Mondesi, and Turner (who all have the same versatility and are arguably better cards) there's likely not going to be a lot of people who choose Honus, regardless of how you felt about him last year.

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Tatis JR. is basically Trout at SS and I don’t need another speedster so he’s out for me.

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He’s a right handed Cobb that plays middle infield, so if you prefer power over a Cobb type he isn’t for you. I still think he is solid thougg

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I value speed and i’m partial to the old timers so I’ve been using him at SS over Tatis.

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I think Wagner is great! He's an infield version of Ty Cobb. Unfortunately, I agree with the other posts, there's a lot of great options for his eligible positions. For me, he's primarily a bench bat that I'll rotate in for fun. But when I need a fast base runner or a clutch hit, Wagner or Cobb are my guys.

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I love Honus, he is my new starting SS and I love his versatility, speed, power and bunt ability.

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I also have Honus & Ty coming off the bench for late game matchups and speed/def as needed

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I was wondering the same. I got him last year and didn’t go that great with him. I think I avg .280 with him and slugging was low mostly singles. Most my good hitters sit around .340 range or higher

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Some games it seems like everything he hits is a laser and some games and swings a pool noodle. I’m gonna ride him out a little while longer and see what he can do

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I'm giving him a shot right now and haven't been impressed.

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@over50beatdown said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

I love Honus, he is my new starting SS and I love his versatility, speed, power and bunt ability.

lol

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@joester33 said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

I also have Honus & Ty coming off the bench for late game matchups and speed/def as needed

I use Awards Mondesi for this. Especially against a lefty since he’s 125/125. I still haven’t not been able to move away from Rollins at SS. I do have Tatis in my lineup, but he plays 2b for me normally. Better D and bat than Hornsby.

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I mean is he the best SS in the game....probably not but I run him out there because my fondness for him last year and also the fact I hate tatis's 125 power good good warning track power

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Best SS in the game and he can play anywhere in the infield. He even has LF as a secondary so if you want someone fast with insane defense besides Trout and Mantle, you can put him there. (And he has 90 arm unlike Cobb.)

I move Tahtis to 3b and 2nd base depending on how I feel and usually leave Honus at SS. That extra speed of his means he gets better animations so that he grabs balls up the middle and even in the hole.

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@Jeviduty said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

@over50beatdown said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

I love Honus, he is my new starting SS and I love his versatility, speed, power and bunt ability.

lol

Good point, LOL!

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@JediOfArgonath said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

I keep seeing people raving about Foxx & haven’t really seen people say much about him. Has he underperformed?

i loved Honus last year can't wait to rock with him at 3rd base this time around

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@EvylShaun said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

I'm probably in the minority here, but last year I didn't really love Honus. He was good, but I never found him to be great. There also weren't a ton of great SS options last year so his speed, defense and bat made him the best option aside from maybe a CAP. In my opinion his greatest asset was his versatility because he could play everywhere aside from catcher.

This year there's so many great SS options that Honus kind of gets lost in the mix. Most players by now have the free 99 Tatis, and the 250k price tag that Honus brings is likely just not worth it to a lot of people - myself included.

As a bench bat I suppose he's pretty useful, but when you compare him to the other 2 bosses (Foxx and Jansen) and look at his cost against free 99's like J-Ram, Mondesi, and Turner (who all have the same versatility and are arguably better cards) there's likely not going to be a lot of people who choose Honus, regardless of how you felt about him last year.

TBF J-Ram isn't "free", selling off the Topps Now cards that it requires to get him would probably be pretty close to "break even" if you bought Honus with those stubs

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@DrIuigi said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

@EvylShaun said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

I'm probably in the minority here, but last year I didn't really love Honus. He was good, but I never found him to be great. There also weren't a ton of great SS options last year so his speed, defense and bat made him the best option aside from maybe a CAP. In my opinion his greatest asset was his versatility because he could play everywhere aside from catcher.

This year there's so many great SS options that Honus kind of gets lost in the mix. Most players by now have the free 99 Tatis, and the 250k price tag that Honus brings is likely just not worth it to a lot of people - myself included.

As a bench bat I suppose he's pretty useful, but when you compare him to the other 2 bosses (Foxx and Jansen) and look at his cost against free 99's like J-Ram, Mondesi, and Turner (who all have the same versatility and are arguably better cards) there's likely not going to be a lot of people who choose Honus, regardless of how you felt about him last year.

TBF J-Ram isn't "free", selling off the Topps Now cards that it requires to get him would probably be pretty close to "break even" if you bought Honus with those stubs

He doesn't cost you anything if you get all the packs from moments. Yes you can sell those cards, but there's no upfront cost.

That's like saying "I won a free Corvette, but it's not free because I could sell it for 50k." You won a Corvette, what you choose to do with it is irrelevant.

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@EvylShaun said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

@DrIuigi said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

@EvylShaun said in Is Honus Wagner not good?:

I'm probably in the minority here, but last year I didn't really love Honus. He was good, but I never found him to be great. There also weren't a ton of great SS options last year so his speed, defense and bat made him the best option aside from maybe a CAP. In my opinion his greatest asset was his versatility because he could play everywhere aside from catcher.

This year there's so many great SS options that Honus kind of gets lost in the mix. Most players by now have the free 99 Tatis, and the 250k price tag that Honus brings is likely just not worth it to a lot of people - myself included.

As a bench bat I suppose he's pretty useful, but when you compare him to the other 2 bosses (Foxx and Jansen) and look at his cost against free 99's like J-Ram, Mondesi, and Turner (who all have the same versatility and are arguably better cards) there's likely not going to be a lot of people who choose Honus, regardless of how you felt about him last year.

TBF J-Ram isn't "free", selling off the Topps Now cards that it requires to get him would probably be pretty close to "break even" if you bought Honus with those stubs

He doesn't cost you anything if you get all the packs from moments. Yes you can sell those cards, but there's no upfront cost.

That's like saying "I won a free Corvette, but it's not free because I could sell it for 50k." You won a Corvette, what you choose to do with it is irrelevant.

On a side note I saw one of the new Vettes in the wild yesterday in this deep red color, it's pretty gross... I'm trying to talk the wife into entertaining the possibility of maybe possibly considering letting me think about buying one... I mean compared to a '21 911 Turbo in Bad Boys Blue it's a steal...