AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON

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@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

If we switched Jeff Kent and Todd Helton's teams that year (Helton playing at Pac Bell and Kent playing in Coors) and extrapolated their numbers, this isn't even a contest.

I did a little math and swapped Kent's numbers (extrapolated 7 games at Coors to be 80 games and his home games from 80 to 7 and kept the others the same) and here is what I got for the year 2000.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB K BA OBP SLG OPS
620 170 224 68 3 51 143 25 103 166 .361 .452 .727 1.179

Didn't do Helton's numbers, but that year (2000) at Pac Bell, his splits were:
BA OBP SLG OPS
.190 .320 .238 .558

But keep on about no "Coors Effect" and he could hit "anywhere".

What I said, but i was nicer, j/k

True..just another nugget...
Helton could only muster those stats against the formidable rotation of:

Livan Hernandez
Russ Ortiz
Shawn Estes
Kirk Rueter
Mark Gardner
Joe Nathan

Yikes!

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@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

If we switched Jeff Kent and Todd Helton's teams that year (Helton playing at Pac Bell and Kent playing in Coors) and extrapolated their numbers, this isn't even a contest.

I did a little math and swapped Kent's numbers (extrapolated 7 games at Coors to be 80 games and his home games from 80 to 7 and kept the others the same) and here is what I got for the year 2000.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB K BA OBP SLG OPS
620 170 224 68 3 51 143 25 103 166 .361 .452 .727 1.179

Didn't do Helton's numbers, but that year (2000) at Pac Bell, his splits were:
BA OBP SLG OPS
.190 .320 .238 .558

But keep on about no "Coors Effect" and he could hit "anywhere".

What I said, but i was nicer, j/k

True..just another nugget...
Helton could only muster those stats against the formidable rotation of:

Livan Hernandez
Russ Ortiz
Shawn Estes
Kirk Rueter
Mark Gardner
Joe Nathan

Yikes!

You're giving me the nostalgias, man. Enter Jason Schmidt, our moonfaced white knight

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@LankyRyan said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

If we switched Jeff Kent and Todd Helton's teams that year (Helton playing at Pac Bell and Kent playing in Coors) and extrapolated their numbers, this isn't even a contest.

I did a little math and swapped Kent's numbers (extrapolated 7 games at Coors to be 80 games and his home games from 80 to 7 and kept the others the same) and here is what I got for the year 2000.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB K BA OBP SLG OPS
620 170 224 68 3 51 143 25 103 166 .361 .452 .727 1.179

Didn't do Helton's numbers, but that year (2000) at Pac Bell, his splits were:
BA OBP SLG OPS
.190 .320 .238 .558

But keep on about no "Coors Effect" and he could hit "anywhere".

What I said, but i was nicer, j/k

True..just another nugget...
Helton could only muster those stats against the formidable rotation of:

Livan Hernandez
Russ Ortiz
Shawn Estes
Kirk Rueter
Mark Gardner
Joe Nathan

Yikes!

You're giving me the nostalgias, man. Enter Jason Schmidt, our moonfaced white knight

Who knew Nathan would have been the reliever he was back then.

Can't believe they traded Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano and Nathan for only one year of AJ "Clubhouse Cancer" Pierzynski.

What a waste!

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@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@LankyRyan said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

If we switched Jeff Kent and Todd Helton's teams that year (Helton playing at Pac Bell and Kent playing in Coors) and extrapolated their numbers, this isn't even a contest.

I did a little math and swapped Kent's numbers (extrapolated 7 games at Coors to be 80 games and his home games from 80 to 7 and kept the others the same) and here is what I got for the year 2000.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB K BA OBP SLG OPS
620 170 224 68 3 51 143 25 103 166 .361 .452 .727 1.179

Didn't do Helton's numbers, but that year (2000) at Pac Bell, his splits were:
BA OBP SLG OPS
.190 .320 .238 .558

But keep on about no "Coors Effect" and he could hit "anywhere".

What I said, but i was nicer, j/k

True..just another nugget...
Helton could only muster those stats against the formidable rotation of:

Livan Hernandez
Russ Ortiz
Shawn Estes
Kirk Rueter
Mark Gardner
Joe Nathan

Yikes!

You're giving me the nostalgias, man. Enter Jason Schmidt, our moonfaced white knight

Who knew Nathan would have been the reliever he was back then.

Can't believe they traded Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano and Nathan for only one year of AJ "Clubhouse Cancer" Pierzynski.

What a waste!

The real crime here is how much of a waste of a solid baseball name "Boof Bonser" turned out to be

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@LankyRyan said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@LankyRyan said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

If we switched Jeff Kent and Todd Helton's teams that year (Helton playing at Pac Bell and Kent playing in Coors) and extrapolated their numbers, this isn't even a contest.

I did a little math and swapped Kent's numbers (extrapolated 7 games at Coors to be 80 games and his home games from 80 to 7 and kept the others the same) and here is what I got for the year 2000.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB K BA OBP SLG OPS
620 170 224 68 3 51 143 25 103 166 .361 .452 .727 1.179

Didn't do Helton's numbers, but that year (2000) at Pac Bell, his splits were:
BA OBP SLG OPS
.190 .320 .238 .558

But keep on about no "Coors Effect" and he could hit "anywhere".

What I said, but i was nicer, j/k

True..just another nugget...
Helton could only muster those stats against the formidable rotation of:

Livan Hernandez
Russ Ortiz
Shawn Estes
Kirk Rueter
Mark Gardner
Joe Nathan

Yikes!

You're giving me the nostalgias, man. Enter Jason Schmidt, our moonfaced white knight

Who knew Nathan would have been the reliever he was back then.

Can't believe they traded Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano and Nathan for only one year of AJ "Clubhouse Cancer" Pierzynski.

What a waste!

The real crime here is how much of a waste of a solid baseball name "Boof Bonser" turned out to be

More like "Oof" Bonser...am I right??

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@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@LankyRyan said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@LankyRyan said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

If we switched Jeff Kent and Todd Helton's teams that year (Helton playing at Pac Bell and Kent playing in Coors) and extrapolated their numbers, this isn't even a contest.

I did a little math and swapped Kent's numbers (extrapolated 7 games at Coors to be 80 games and his home games from 80 to 7 and kept the others the same) and here is what I got for the year 2000.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB K BA OBP SLG OPS
620 170 224 68 3 51 143 25 103 166 .361 .452 .727 1.179

Didn't do Helton's numbers, but that year (2000) at Pac Bell, his splits were:
BA OBP SLG OPS
.190 .320 .238 .558

But keep on about no "Coors Effect" and he could hit "anywhere".

What I said, but i was nicer, j/k

True..just another nugget...
Helton could only muster those stats against the formidable rotation of:

Livan Hernandez
Russ Ortiz
Shawn Estes
Kirk Rueter
Mark Gardner
Joe Nathan

Yikes!

You're giving me the nostalgias, man. Enter Jason Schmidt, our moonfaced white knight

Who knew Nathan would have been the reliever he was back then.

Can't believe they traded Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano and Nathan for only one year of AJ "Clubhouse Cancer" Pierzynski.

What a waste!

The real crime here is how much of a waste of a solid baseball name "Boof Bonser" turned out to be

More like "Oof" Bonser...am I right??

(there's no crash cymbal emoji, wtf Android)

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As a fantasy owner I miss Todd Helton. For some reason the folks in the league pretended he was a super nerd who spoke like the mad scientist on the Simpsons. “Well based on the humidity level and other environmental factors such as wind resistance and the lunar gravitational pull, I would estimate that my chances of getting a hit fall between the 48th and 49th percentile.”

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@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

If we switched Jeff Kent and Todd Helton's teams that year (Helton playing at Pac Bell and Kent playing in Coors) and extrapolated their numbers, this isn't even a contest.

I did a little math and swapped Kent's numbers (extrapolated 7 games at Coors to be 80 games and his home games from 80 to 7 and kept the others the same) and here is what I got for the year 2000.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB K BA OBP SLG OPS
620 170 224 68 3 51 143 25 103 166 .361 .452 .727 1.179

Didn't do Helton's numbers, but that year (2000) at Pac Bell, his splits were:
BA OBP SLG OPS
.190 .320 .238 .558

But keep on about no "Coors Effect" and he could hit "anywhere".

What I said, but i was nicer, j/k

True..just another nugget...
Helton could only muster those stats against the formidable rotation of:

Livan Hernandez
Russ Ortiz
Shawn Estes
Kirk Rueter
Mark Gardner
Joe Nathan

Yikes!

25 PA is not a good sample size for a player. Helton still hit over .350 away from Coors. Hit over .400 against SF. He also didn't have Larry Walker hitting in front of him that year. Kent had Bonds.

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@nflman2033 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

@Matt_42187 said in AAAAAHHHHHHHH ITS TODD HELTON:

I'm assuming he'll have very high contact with decent power? But, how in the hell did he not win the MVP in 2000? All those Giants were shooting each other up with the cream & clear.

The simple answer to your question is "Coors Field" especially before the humidor there is a stigma on Rockies offensive numbers.

Because even the old metrics looked at says he should have won, batting title and RBI champ. 2/3 of triple crown will get you an MVP unless you play half your games in Colorado. Which is a shame, because he did have an OPS of 1.074 away from Coors. Of course his Home stats were insane. But still it was a voter bias, voters did not want to give the Rockies players credit.

That was more than voter bias go look at home vs away splits in 2000. Homers, RBIs and runs almost 2x better and avg, slug ObP almost 40!pts higher. Kent who played in a pitcher friendlybpark had identical stats home vs away

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Me: I think I might skip 20 and just hold off until the next gen games for 21.

MLB The Show: Here's Todd Helton.

Me: You sly son of a....