Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
@Bozzman0109 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
hey they can do what they did with Barry just intentionally walk him with the bases loaded
.Yeah but to be honest with you that was more of a middle finger to him for be such a pompous jack***
If I'm Barry, I take that as the highest compliment I could be given lol
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Arizona was up by 2 in the 9th with bases loaded so they walked bonds and the next batter flew out game over Az wins. Was a great strategy and worked out for AZ. But still one of the craziest moments I remember watching.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
@Bozzman0109 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
hey they can do what they did with Barry just intentionally walk him with the bases loaded
.Yeah but to be honest with you that was more of a middle finger to him for be such a pompous jack***
No it absolutely was not. No one is going to walk a run in up by 2 because they think someone has a bad attitude. It was a sounds strategy against the best player in baseball at the time.
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He should have said he was trying to hit 3 GS in one inning.
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To me there is no problem with it. Its really a damned if you do damned if you dont moment. You swing away and hit the ball you're running up the score and people get mad. You don't swing and end up losing the game people will blame you for not taking advantage of a good scoring opportunity. Again, I dont have any problem with him swinging. If you dont eant him swinging 3-0........dont get to 3-0
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3-0 bases empty 0 outs take the pitch. 3-0 runners in scoring position with your best hitter up hit a dinger.
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@formallyforearms said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
@raesONE said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
Every at bat is an opportunity to show why you're worth the bag of money.
I don't care what the score is, if I'm up and the pitcher can't throw me a strike and leaves one hanging, you better believe I'm swinging out of my shoes in an attempt to hit it to Jupiter. I'll take those 4 RBI, increase on my OPS and SLG because it matters once my contract comes up. I couldn't care less about these "unwritten rules" and your feelings.It would be different if you're breaking up a no hitter late game by laying down a bunt. That's also an unwritten rule, one that I personally respect. But even if that happens, that's fine and move on. Not an official rule, no harm no foul.
That's another one I completely disagree with. A batters job is to get on base any way they can. I dont see why hitters should only be allowed to swing for gaps or HRs just because they haven't had one fall in yet.
The bunting thing depends on the score imo. If the team being no-hit is currently being blown out, a bunt single isn't likely to spark a major comeback late (sure its possible...) so in that situation I'd consider it bad taste. If its a close game, then yeah...bunt away and tell your defense to be prepared to play them.
There some "unwritten rules" that I can get behind...like not stealing bases up a ton...but don't walk the bases loaded and expect to be bailed out because the pitcher cant locate.
I'm sure guys , while they may not admit it, are thinking these "padded stats" will help in the contract/awards chase. Tatis can make a case for NL MVP right now and if I were him, I'd want every stat I could get to help me get that award.
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As the Padres it's an issue because he didn't take the pitch like instructed. As for the Rangers they are a bunch of whiny babies. Instead of crying about the "Bush league" play, how about you not get into that situation? I've seen way too many games im my life where a team had a huge lead and let up and lost. This isn't a sport where the score needs to be close every game. This is a game where you win the game anyway you can. Take it from Belichick, you keep playing until the game is over. Only then do you let up.
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@formallyforearms said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
@MINISTRO787 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
Some "unwritten rules" I agree with. Like trying to bunt to break up a No Hitter is straight garbage IMO.
Why exactly? It's a perfectly valid way of getting on base. If it's part of someone's skill set, they should use it. Why take that away? Should pitchers only throw fastballs when their team is up big?
Depends on the score really. Late in a close game? Sure. In a blowout? No way, its bush league if you're only doing it to break up a no no.
As for running up the score, I'm fine with this, you cant ask a player not to swing, its stealing or bunting guys over I would have a problem with.
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I think its funny how they must think that a 7 run game with two innings left is something you don't come back from.... maybe if they were already up by 10+ then MAYBE i'd understand a little more than I do now, which is not at all...
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Tatis Jr. obviously only got the take sign because of the “unwritten rule,” so I don’t really care that he ignored it. At any rate, that’s an issue that should be kept in-house from the Padres perspective.
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If the game was really out of hand to the point that players like Tatis shouldn’t be putting in effort to keep scoring, then he should have been taken out of the game. But I don’t think there’s a single manager in baseball who would have taken out Tatis in that situation, because they know that lead isn’t completely safe. So spare me the arguments that Tatis should try to get on base, but not too hard.
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Teams are evaluating contracts by age and numbers driven value more than ever. These teams don’t get to tell players not to do whatever it takes to inflate their numbers, then turn around in arbitration or contract negotiations and try to use their stats against them.
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Baseball has a star problem. Tatis is one of the most star ready players the sport has seen in a long time (not just his talent, but his charisma and overall likability). So of course the league will do whatever it takes to stamp out his individuality and make him Like one of the rest of the players who aren’t recognizable to the general public. Baseball will continue to have these marketing issues if they can’t convince the actual people playing to let the players be themselves and be stars.
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Can he be himself without showing up the other team? Him being general, not Tatis specifically. There's a time and place for celebration.
I have to be honest, I subscribe to a lot of these unwritten rules.
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In my opinion a batter goes up to the plate with one objective. Get a hit. If it's a home run even better. Tatis is a guy who should always have a green light on 3-0 i don't care what the score is. I've watched games that are way more high scoring then this and i've never seen a player hold back.
The Rangers are babies for beign upset over this in my opinion but the manager of the Padres should also be embarrassed.
On a side note Tatis is just incredible, great player.
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Swing away kid, swing away!
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@maskedgrappler said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
Can he be himself without showing up the other team? Him being general, not Tatis specifically. There's a time and place for celebration.
I have to be honest, I subscribe to a lot of these unwritten rules.
“Showing up the other team” is usually a complaint motivated by sour grapes more than anything though. Do you consider a bat flip showing up the other team? or a 3-0 grand slam? or when Harper sprinted around the bases on his walkoff grand slam last year? If you think displays of emotion after a triumph are inherently “showing up the other team,” then I would say the problem rests with you. If we’re talking about hurling insults or flipping off the other team while rounding the bases, then we can have a discussion.
But in my experience, that phrase or similar sentiments are usually directed at the former.
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@Better4Ever said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
@maskedgrappler said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
Can he be himself without showing up the other team? Him being general, not Tatis specifically. There's a time and place for celebration.
I have to be honest, I subscribe to a lot of these unwritten rules.
“Showing up the other team” is usually a complaint motivated by sour grapes more than anything though. Do you consider a bat flip showing up the other team? or a 3-0 grand slam? or when Harper sprinted around the bases on his walkoff grand slam last year? If you think displays of emotion after a triumph are inherently “showing up the other team,” then I would say the problem rests with you. If we’re talking about hurling insults or flipping off the other team while rounding the bases, then we can have a discussion.
But in my experience, that phrase or similar sentiments are usually directed at the former.
It's very, very situational to me and depends on context. Does the game mean something? Is it the first or the 9th inning? Do you gave a big rivalry with this team or is it just another game?
There's a time and place for big celebrations, game 103 isn't one of them. Act like you've been there before.
You can celebrate without being an A-hole.
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@dogslax41 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
@Bozzman0109 said in Problem with Tatis grand slam while up big?:
hey they can do what they did with Barry just intentionally walk him with the bases loaded
.Yeah but to be honest with you that was more of a middle finger to him for be such a pompous jack***
No it absolutely was not. No one is going to walk a run in up by 2 because they think someone has a bad attitude. It was a sounds strategy against the best player in baseball at the time.
You can think what you want about that situation but the contempt in the tone of Buck Showalter’s voice spoke volumes when he said that he wasn’t going to allow that individual to beat him in a post game interview. Certainly didn’t sound like he had any respect for him whatsoever.
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They are professionals. The pitchers gets paid to getter batters out and batters get paid to produce. Dont like him swinging 3-0? Maybe the pitcher should not have been outside the zone three straight times and then grooved a fastball on the fourth pitch. And who cares if you celebrate. I'm old school but if a guy takes you deep he should be able to do whatever he wants because you just got owned.
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This takes me back to when dodgers hit 4hr in a row to tie a game vs the Padres in the bottom of the 9th and than won it in extra innings I believe it was in 2006. It is baseball and you never know what will happen. Fans were already leaving the stadium and then were trying to get back in. I never leave a game early. It was Jeff Kent, JD Drew, Russell Martin and Marlon Anderson. Nomar Garciaparra hit a two run shot to walk it off in the 10th. The padres took the lead in the 10th. Dodgers won 10-9 I remember watching this game live on TV. It was crazy.
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If he was stealing up 7 that late in a game yeah that’s not right but whoever has an issue with a 21 year old kid hitting a bomb. That’s your loss. Kids special
