What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?
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@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
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@PennStateFencer said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
I agree, i dont do it, because usually players who have shifts against them are bad bunters, but that is a real life strategy to force the other team to not shift. I dont get mad about that one.
Bunting is part of the game, just as git and run, but some players do these things all the time, because fielding animations are still a bit slow reacting . Its not as bad as 17 2as for that, but still its trying to exploit issues in the game
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If you aren't sure what bunt cheesing is, you aren't bunt cheesing. People just like to complain because nothing is their fault. "How could I lose? Why am I not making contact when I swing early on curve balls in the dirt. RNG is ruining this game!"
If I'm batting Jackie leadoff, and it's his 4th at bat in the eighth inning, AND I pinch hit for my pitcher with a speed guy who happens to hit a double, AND THEN I try to bunt him over to third with Jackie (who has high bunting) and Jackie HAPPENS to beat out the throw, that is not bunt cheesing. That is baseball.
STOP F*CKING WHINING
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Is there a lot of guys with a shift that are fast and good bunters? I would think they would have to be left handed batters too.
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Bunt cheesing used to be a real thing when hunts were easier to lay down and fielders didn't react quickly enough. Now you actually have to time it pretty well with a good bunter and a bunt defense makes it really hard to be safe on a bunt so most people complaining about bunt cheese should just set their defense.
Now that hunts are no longer overpowered, the only way you can abuse the bunt and have success is if your opponent lets you do it so feel free to bunt your heart out.
If you have Jackie Robinson and you want to try a drag bunt or have a lefty up and want to beat the shift go ahead and do it, don't let complainers on here talk you out of it because they don't want to take 10 seconds to set their defense
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You can easily stop drag bunts by going into the bunt defense then move your 2b in and to the right, and I have nothing against bunting against the shift because it’s your decision to have auto shift on
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People who bunt to second base because they know the 2b won’t get to it in time are bunt cheesers - I always bring my infield in halfway on any person I think MIGHT bunt
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Basically, it was a 2016 thing....some of that stuff was ridiculously frustrating. Not that some folks don't try and do it, it is just not as effective as it was in '16.
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@Rabid55Wolverine said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
Is there a lot of guys with a shift that are fast and good bunters? I would think they would have to be left handed batters too.
Ozzie Albies, any Griffey card, Bellinger just to name a few.
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FOTF Soto, excellent hunter against the shift.
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
in the situation of bunting to beat the shift thats not bunt cheese that's a legit situation to bunt in (MLB players do it all the time even slow guys) because its still a risk if its not perfectly placed it will fail every time. In the terms of bunting with a speedy guy once again id have to disagree because when i grew up the lead off hit was almost exclusively speedy and either drew a walk or bunted to get on and steal. Like I said this was the baseball that I personally grew up on and is not "cheesy" in the least. Because even gugs like me Robinson with 95 speed and 99 bunt don't 100% execute a bunt correctly. Now if all they do is load a line up with speedy bunters that to me is bunt cheese. But that is souly my opinion
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@MarineSpartan44 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
in the situation of bunting to beat the shift thats not bunt cheese that's a legit situation to bunt in (MLB players do it all the time even slow guys) because its still a risk if its not perfectly placed it will fail every time. In the terms of bunting with a speedy guy once again id have to disagree because when i grew up the lead off hit was almost exclusively speedy and either drew a walk or bunted to get on and steal. Like I said this was the baseball that I personally grew up on and is not "cheesy" in the least. Because even gugs like me Robinson with 95 speed and 99 bunt don't 100% execute a bunt correctly. Now if all they do is load a line up with speedy bunters that to me is bunt cheese. But that is souly my opinion
Totally agree. Those are the times you fo lay down a bunt in baseball other than the sac bunt of course. With a speedy guy trying to get on base and set the table, or if the defense is shifting a certain way you try to beat the shift with a bunt. Thats how baseball is played.
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I guess I've bunt cheesed a few times, then; having until this year played only Play Now Online Rated with the A's, I've never played with fast guys who can bunt (wasn't a Show in '90 when Willie McGee joined them), so imagine my surprise when I discovered that Ozzie Smith can sometimes bunt to the second baseman and beat it out. My deepest apologies to those I've offended.
Honestly, though, it's a style. Personally, I'd find it boring to bunt incessantly or even most times with the same player, but so what if someone doesn't? This community has already resigned itself to accepting a coin-flip's chance of a home run on a perfectly executed, down-and-away slider, so why not the antithesis of Shippett clones, with artisan-grade bunters from top to bottom (and F* you, Corey Kluber, if you can bunt, too).
Isn't baseball great?
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@PennStateFencer said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
No, you can blame the game also. There is no excuse Ortiz with 25 drag bunt should be able to lay down a perfect bunt every single time, no matter the shift.
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@MarineSpartan44 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
in the situation of bunting to beat the shift thats not bunt cheese that's a legit situation to bunt in (MLB players do it all the time even slow guys) because its still a risk if its not perfectly placed it will fail every time. In the terms of bunting with a speedy guy once again id have to disagree because when i grew up the lead off hit was almost exclusively speedy and either drew a walk or bunted to get on and steal. Like I said this was the baseball that I personally grew up on and is not "cheesy" in the least. Because even gugs like me Robinson with 95 speed and 99 bunt don't 100% execute a bunt correctly. Now if all they do is load a line up with speedy bunters that to me is bunt cheese. But that is souly my opinion
so if a guy bunts in the 1st inning with ortiz and lays down the perfect drag bunt even though his rating is a 25, then you don't consider that cheese?
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Its ironic to see people complaining about bunt cheese when they can hit a good/okay home run with their 100+ power guy.
Love or hate it, bunt cheese provides an alternative.
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@The_Joneser said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I guess I've bunt cheesed a few times, then; having until this year played only Play Now Online Rated with the A's, I've never played with fast guys who can bunt (wasn't a Show in '90 when Willie McGee joined them), so imagine my surprise when I discovered that Ozzie Smith can sometimes bunt to the second baseman and beat it out. My deepest apologies to those I've offended.
Honestly, though, it's a style. Personally, I'd find it boring to bunt incessantly or even most times with the same player, but so what if someone doesn't? This community has already resigned itself to accepting a coin-flip's chance of a home run on a perfectly executed, down-and-away slider, so why not the antithesis of Shippett clones, with artisan-grade bunters from top to bottom (and F* you, Corey Kluber, if you can bunt, too).
Isn't baseball great?
No better game on the planet!
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I would say bunt cheesing is anytime someone bunts for a hit in a situation that doesn't call for it. There's a few times I've had someone bunt every time with 99 Jackie. The first time is my fault, after that just set up the shift to cover the bunt. Problem solved.
Also not every time is it cheese to bunt. I won i game off a suicide squeeze because my opponent decided to intentionally walk the bases loaded when I had one out. I put in my best bunter off the bench and won the game.
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I class it as cheesing a defect in the game like in The Show 16 where you could get on base bunting with anyone. I don't get too annoyed a guy hunting excessively in 20 because I don't think its a very good strategy & of course perfectly legitimate to bunt against the shift.
