What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?
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FOTF Soto, excellent hunter against the shift.
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
in the situation of bunting to beat the shift thats not bunt cheese that's a legit situation to bunt in (MLB players do it all the time even slow guys) because its still a risk if its not perfectly placed it will fail every time. In the terms of bunting with a speedy guy once again id have to disagree because when i grew up the lead off hit was almost exclusively speedy and either drew a walk or bunted to get on and steal. Like I said this was the baseball that I personally grew up on and is not "cheesy" in the least. Because even gugs like me Robinson with 95 speed and 99 bunt don't 100% execute a bunt correctly. Now if all they do is load a line up with speedy bunters that to me is bunt cheese. But that is souly my opinion
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@MarineSpartan44 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
in the situation of bunting to beat the shift thats not bunt cheese that's a legit situation to bunt in (MLB players do it all the time even slow guys) because its still a risk if its not perfectly placed it will fail every time. In the terms of bunting with a speedy guy once again id have to disagree because when i grew up the lead off hit was almost exclusively speedy and either drew a walk or bunted to get on and steal. Like I said this was the baseball that I personally grew up on and is not "cheesy" in the least. Because even gugs like me Robinson with 95 speed and 99 bunt don't 100% execute a bunt correctly. Now if all they do is load a line up with speedy bunters that to me is bunt cheese. But that is souly my opinion
Totally agree. Those are the times you fo lay down a bunt in baseball other than the sac bunt of course. With a speedy guy trying to get on base and set the table, or if the defense is shifting a certain way you try to beat the shift with a bunt. Thats how baseball is played.
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I guess I've bunt cheesed a few times, then; having until this year played only Play Now Online Rated with the A's, I've never played with fast guys who can bunt (wasn't a Show in '90 when Willie McGee joined them), so imagine my surprise when I discovered that Ozzie Smith can sometimes bunt to the second baseman and beat it out. My deepest apologies to those I've offended.
Honestly, though, it's a style. Personally, I'd find it boring to bunt incessantly or even most times with the same player, but so what if someone doesn't? This community has already resigned itself to accepting a coin-flip's chance of a home run on a perfectly executed, down-and-away slider, so why not the antithesis of Shippett clones, with artisan-grade bunters from top to bottom (and F* you, Corey Kluber, if you can bunt, too).
Isn't baseball great?
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@PennStateFencer said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
No, you can blame the game also. There is no excuse Ortiz with 25 drag bunt should be able to lay down a perfect bunt every single time, no matter the shift.
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@MarineSpartan44 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
in the situation of bunting to beat the shift thats not bunt cheese that's a legit situation to bunt in (MLB players do it all the time even slow guys) because its still a risk if its not perfectly placed it will fail every time. In the terms of bunting with a speedy guy once again id have to disagree because when i grew up the lead off hit was almost exclusively speedy and either drew a walk or bunted to get on and steal. Like I said this was the baseball that I personally grew up on and is not "cheesy" in the least. Because even gugs like me Robinson with 95 speed and 99 bunt don't 100% execute a bunt correctly. Now if all they do is load a line up with speedy bunters that to me is bunt cheese. But that is souly my opinion
so if a guy bunts in the 1st inning with ortiz and lays down the perfect drag bunt even though his rating is a 25, then you don't consider that cheese?
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Its ironic to see people complaining about bunt cheese when they can hit a good/okay home run with their 100+ power guy.
Love or hate it, bunt cheese provides an alternative.
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@The_Joneser said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I guess I've bunt cheesed a few times, then; having until this year played only Play Now Online Rated with the A's, I've never played with fast guys who can bunt (wasn't a Show in '90 when Willie McGee joined them), so imagine my surprise when I discovered that Ozzie Smith can sometimes bunt to the second baseman and beat it out. My deepest apologies to those I've offended.
Honestly, though, it's a style. Personally, I'd find it boring to bunt incessantly or even most times with the same player, but so what if someone doesn't? This community has already resigned itself to accepting a coin-flip's chance of a home run on a perfectly executed, down-and-away slider, so why not the antithesis of Shippett clones, with artisan-grade bunters from top to bottom (and F* you, Corey Kluber, if you can bunt, too).
Isn't baseball great?
No better game on the planet!
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I would say bunt cheesing is anytime someone bunts for a hit in a situation that doesn't call for it. There's a few times I've had someone bunt every time with 99 Jackie. The first time is my fault, after that just set up the shift to cover the bunt. Problem solved.
Also not every time is it cheese to bunt. I won i game off a suicide squeeze because my opponent decided to intentionally walk the bases loaded when I had one out. I put in my best bunter off the bench and won the game.
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I class it as cheesing a defect in the game like in The Show 16 where you could get on base bunting with anyone. I don't get too annoyed a guy hunting excessively in 20 because I don't think its a very good strategy & of course perfectly legitimate to bunt against the shift.
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To me, bunt cheesing has more to do with people who take advantage of the game with the sole intent to irritate the opponent when things are not necessarily going their way in a game. This also goes for those clowns that can’t hit and decide to constantly show bunt then pull back over and over and over while the pitcher is in the process of delivering the pitch. They think this disrupts the opponent while they are pitching. It really doesn’t works and I just laugh at them as I continue striking them out
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Basically if you ever bunt for a hit or get a base hit that isn’t a result of a perfect perfect swing you are scum
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TLDR
I've seen Piazza and Mark Reynolds bunt on 0-2 counts runner on third 1 out.
Bunting every 0-2 count with every player...
As others have said, it's easy to combat. Move the IF to halfway the first time they do it with Jackie, Madrigal or etc. It's not cheesing unless the situation is as far away from it as possible.
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@Warpedzilla said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@PennStateFencer said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
No, you can blame the game also. There is no excuse Ortiz with 25 drag bunt should be able to lay down a perfect bunt every single time, no matter the shift.
If this was MLB 16 as people mentioned and Ortiz with his 25 bunt rating could reliably bunt it right down the line for an easy hit then maybe youd have a point. Have you tried doing that this year? If you do, you'll see that his hunts will be foul, plopped up, or an easy play more often than not and even if it's a pretty good bunt the defense will react quickly enough to make a play when they should.
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I bunt at any chance I get with a speed guy it is an easy base hit with a good bunt and it immediately makes them think about the steal. I actually have my line up with several high speed guys at the top of the lineup
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Bunt cheese is exploiting the game and bunting because you can't hit. Played a guy last night that bunted 6 times in the first 2 innings and when I adjusted he quit. That's bunt cheese.
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Every bunt, every time if you ask this crew.
For me, it’s when your clear strategy to get on base almost exclusively via bunt. If you bunt to beat the shift - fine, your opponent should turn off the shift. If you need a base runner, have Reggie at the plate, and they aren’t playing bunt defense - let ‘er rip.
Cheese implies that you’re abusing something easy yet effective...laying down the occasional bunt shouldn’t qualify, in my opinion...but it doesn’t stop the community from getting grumpy about it.
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For me bunting is sometimes the best way to get a hit. I can't hit, especially on RS. Can do All-Star ok for the most part vs. CPU but not for squat on RS. So when you have to get however many hits online with All-Star players for the inning program and I can bunt with Griffey Sr. or that Jackie card, i got a better chance of getting the hit that way than swinging away, now granted bunting in the game sucks a$$ too, most of the time it's a line drive or harder hit grounder than swinging away.
I'll also bunt to end a game if i'm losing and pissed off. I try not to quit games. If it's the 7th or 8th inning and it's over and I've given up, i'll bunt to get through the inning quicker.
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To me the “cheese” portion connotes taking advantage of poor game design. It’s not bunting because bunting is a viable baseball strategy in that moment, it’s bunting because you’ve effectively figured out a way to cheat the game at a high success rate because you are taking advantage of poor a.i., winky animations, stuff like that.
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@jonnydaman said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@Warpedzilla said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@PennStateFencer said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
No, you can blame the game also. There is no excuse Ortiz with 25 drag bunt should be able to lay down a perfect bunt every single time, no matter the shift.
If this was MLB 16 as people mentioned and Ortiz with his 25 bunt rating could reliably bunt it right down the line for an easy hit then maybe youd have a point. Have you tried doing that this year? If you do, you'll see that his hunts will be foul, plopped up, or an easy play more often than not and even if it's a pretty good bunt the defense will react quickly enough to make a play when they should.
regardless of who is up to bat if they are a slow [censored] lefty and the shift is on they lay down the perfect drag bunt every single time. So perfect that even if there was no shift it would still be a base hit. Unrealistic AF! I have yet to see one of these drag bunts roll foul. They just ride the line and there's no way the catcher or guy at 3rd can make a play. WHat's the point of atts if any lefty can perfectly lay one down every single time?
