What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?
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I would say bunt cheesing is anytime someone bunts for a hit in a situation that doesn't call for it. There's a few times I've had someone bunt every time with 99 Jackie. The first time is my fault, after that just set up the shift to cover the bunt. Problem solved.
Also not every time is it cheese to bunt. I won i game off a suicide squeeze because my opponent decided to intentionally walk the bases loaded when I had one out. I put in my best bunter off the bench and won the game.
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I class it as cheesing a defect in the game like in The Show 16 where you could get on base bunting with anyone. I don't get too annoyed a guy hunting excessively in 20 because I don't think its a very good strategy & of course perfectly legitimate to bunt against the shift.
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To me, bunt cheesing has more to do with people who take advantage of the game with the sole intent to irritate the opponent when things are not necessarily going their way in a game. This also goes for those clowns that can’t hit and decide to constantly show bunt then pull back over and over and over while the pitcher is in the process of delivering the pitch. They think this disrupts the opponent while they are pitching. It really doesn’t works and I just laugh at them as I continue striking them out
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Basically if you ever bunt for a hit or get a base hit that isn’t a result of a perfect perfect swing you are scum
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TLDR
I've seen Piazza and Mark Reynolds bunt on 0-2 counts runner on third 1 out.
Bunting every 0-2 count with every player...
As others have said, it's easy to combat. Move the IF to halfway the first time they do it with Jackie, Madrigal or etc. It's not cheesing unless the situation is as far away from it as possible.
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@Warpedzilla said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@PennStateFencer said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
No, you can blame the game also. There is no excuse Ortiz with 25 drag bunt should be able to lay down a perfect bunt every single time, no matter the shift.
If this was MLB 16 as people mentioned and Ortiz with his 25 bunt rating could reliably bunt it right down the line for an easy hit then maybe youd have a point. Have you tried doing that this year? If you do, you'll see that his hunts will be foul, plopped up, or an easy play more often than not and even if it's a pretty good bunt the defense will react quickly enough to make a play when they should.
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I bunt at any chance I get with a speed guy it is an easy base hit with a good bunt and it immediately makes them think about the steal. I actually have my line up with several high speed guys at the top of the lineup
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Bunt cheese is exploiting the game and bunting because you can't hit. Played a guy last night that bunted 6 times in the first 2 innings and when I adjusted he quit. That's bunt cheese.
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Every bunt, every time if you ask this crew.
For me, it’s when your clear strategy to get on base almost exclusively via bunt. If you bunt to beat the shift - fine, your opponent should turn off the shift. If you need a base runner, have Reggie at the plate, and they aren’t playing bunt defense - let ‘er rip.
Cheese implies that you’re abusing something easy yet effective...laying down the occasional bunt shouldn’t qualify, in my opinion...but it doesn’t stop the community from getting grumpy about it.
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For me bunting is sometimes the best way to get a hit. I can't hit, especially on RS. Can do All-Star ok for the most part vs. CPU but not for squat on RS. So when you have to get however many hits online with All-Star players for the inning program and I can bunt with Griffey Sr. or that Jackie card, i got a better chance of getting the hit that way than swinging away, now granted bunting in the game sucks a$$ too, most of the time it's a line drive or harder hit grounder than swinging away.
I'll also bunt to end a game if i'm losing and pissed off. I try not to quit games. If it's the 7th or 8th inning and it's over and I've given up, i'll bunt to get through the inning quicker.
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To me the “cheese” portion connotes taking advantage of poor game design. It’s not bunting because bunting is a viable baseball strategy in that moment, it’s bunting because you’ve effectively figured out a way to cheat the game at a high success rate because you are taking advantage of poor a.i., winky animations, stuff like that.
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@jonnydaman said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@Warpedzilla said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@PennStateFencer said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
I'm not an advocate for bunting all the time, but if an opponent keeps bunting against the auto shift and you don't turn that auto shift off... you really have no one to blame but yourself. That's no more "cheesy" than the defense shifting based on offensive tendencies so they are more likely to be where the ball is hit.
You can't expect the pros without the cons.
No, you can blame the game also. There is no excuse Ortiz with 25 drag bunt should be able to lay down a perfect bunt every single time, no matter the shift.
If this was MLB 16 as people mentioned and Ortiz with his 25 bunt rating could reliably bunt it right down the line for an easy hit then maybe youd have a point. Have you tried doing that this year? If you do, you'll see that his hunts will be foul, plopped up, or an easy play more often than not and even if it's a pretty good bunt the defense will react quickly enough to make a play when they should.
regardless of who is up to bat if they are a slow [censored] lefty and the shift is on they lay down the perfect drag bunt every single time. So perfect that even if there was no shift it would still be a base hit. Unrealistic AF! I have yet to see one of these drag bunts roll foul. They just ride the line and there's no way the catcher or guy at 3rd can make a play. WHat's the point of atts if any lefty can perfectly lay one down every single time?
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
Lol what???
Here's a supercut of Kyle Schwarber bunting against the shift over and over... With 2 strikes on one of them too!
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i cant stand when someone uses the bunt as a tool because they cant hit my pitching. i use biggio to bunt but my integrity rule is if i drag bunt i dont steal. but if i get on by any other means i do. i bunt with biggio and only biggio hes lead off so i usually lay it down on the first at bat of the game...
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@notoriousHEB said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
Lol what???
Here's a supercut of Kyle Schwarber bunting against the shift over and over... With 2 strikes on one of them too!
@notoriousHEB said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
Lol what???
Here's a supercut of Kyle Schwarber bunting against the shift over and over... With 2 strikes on one of them too!
Based on the pitching angle that people use people can’t not tell when the shift is on
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@Boneman05 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I bunt at any chance I get with a speed guy it is an easy base hit with a good bunt and it immediately makes them think about the steal. I actually have my line up with several high speed guys at the top of the lineup
When people complain about bunt cheese,, its this guy right here who they played.
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It’s an overused term from MLB 16 that isn’t even a real issue anymore.
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@nflman2033 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@Boneman05 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I bunt at any chance I get with a speed guy it is an easy base hit with a good bunt and it immediately makes them think about the steal. I actually have my line up with several high speed guys at the top of the lineup
When people complain about bunt cheese,, its this guy right here who they played.
Why is that bunt cheesing? It is a factor in the game that used to be used all the time in the game not as much now but years ago when home runs were not as common players would bunt, sac bunt, do high choppers or squeezes. I don't bunt against the shift but if you are not willing to adjust to the situations then you cant [censored].
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@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@notoriousHEB said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
Lol what???
Here's a supercut of Kyle Schwarber bunting against the shift over and over... With 2 strikes on one of them too!
@notoriousHEB said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@WarriorsAreCool7 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
@zach7153 said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I've seen threads complaining about people bunt cheesing but what exactly is considered bunt cheesing? Is it just people that bunt the whole game? Cause I know there are times where I bunt in this game for certain situations it is apart of the game after all
Basically bunting anytime with a speedy player to the right side or bunting to beat the auto shift. Not in a situation that you would bunt
Lol what???
Here's a supercut of Kyle Schwarber bunting against the shift over and over... With 2 strikes on one of them too!
Based on the pitching angle that people use people can’t not tell when the shift is on
Then change your angle or turn the auto shift off.
I pitch with Strikezone cam, catcher perspective. Call the game and i can see the runner on 2B and defensive shift.
Bunts vs shift happen in real life as Schwarber has done over and over and over.
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@eatyum said in What exactly is considered bunt cheesing?:
I would say it's filling up your lineup with only speeds guys for the sole intent of bunting every at-bat. It's not about bunting here and there when strategy says it's wise,.
I second this. I don't mind the Jackie stealing to lead off an inning, I do it too. I hate the 90 speed all around the bases and doing the squeeze play non stop.
