WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL
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@Matt_42187 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@skepple15 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@skepple15 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Take Griffey and Bonds came in the league almost at the same time. Bonds is batter but I think Griffey was better than Bonds in there prime.
Uh no.. Bonds was much better in his prime than Griffey
I would not say much better, They were both really good. I just looked at some stats, They were pretty equal. Bonds we know he best years were in his 30's and that was Jr decline with the injuries. For being one of the best players ever Bonds was terrible in the playoffs
Um go look at Bonds pre 30 years old stats, Bonds was on a different level than Griffey, sorry.
I'll agree to disagree with you on this one. The only thing Bonds had on Griffey pre 30 was vision (BB & K's) and SB. Griffey had more power and better contact. Should we even talk about defense?
I would disagree with this. Barry Bonds was THE best player of the 1990s.
From 1990-1999
Barry Bonds: .302/.434/.602/1.036 with an OPS+ of 179 (79% above average)
Ken Griffey Jr: .302/.384/581/.965 with an OPS+ of 152. (52% above average)
From Age 20-29
Barry Bonds(Debuted at Age 21): .285/394/537/.930 OPS+ 157
Ken Griffey Jr(Starting 2nd Year): 302/.384/581/.965 OPS+ of 152. (Literally the same as above)
Through the 90s Bonds was clearly the superior offensive player, Leading Griffey in each category.
Through the 20s, more Traditional metrics would rank Griffey as Superior, but more advanced favor Barry -
@ImDFC said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@Matt_42187 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@skepple15 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@skepple15 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Take Griffey and Bonds came in the league almost at the same time. Bonds is batter but I think Griffey was better than Bonds in there prime.
Uh no.. Bonds was much better in his prime than Griffey
I would not say much better, They were both really good. I just looked at some stats, They were pretty equal. Bonds we know he best years were in his 30's and that was Jr decline with the injuries. For being one of the best players ever Bonds was terrible in the playoffs
Um go look at Bonds pre 30 years old stats, Bonds was on a different level than Griffey, sorry.
I'll agree to disagree with you on this one. The only thing Bonds had on Griffey pre 30 was vision (BB & K's) and SB. Griffey had more power and better contact. Should we even talk about defense?
I would disagree with this. Barry Bonds was THE best player of the 1990s.
From 1990-1999
Barry Bonds: .302/.434/.602/1.036 with an OPS+ of 179 (79% above average)
Ken Griffey Jr: .302/.384/581/.965 with an OPS+ of 152. (52% above average)
From Age 20-29
Barry Bonds(Debuted at Age 21): .285/394/537/.930 OPS+ 157
Ken Griffey Jr(Starting 2nd Year): 302/.384/581/.965 OPS+ of 152. (Literally the same as above)
Through the 90s Bonds was clearly the superior offensive player, Leading Griffey in each category.
Through the 20s, more Traditional metrics would rank Griffey as Superior, but more advanced favor BarryWe’re talking about before 30 Yrs old. Not the 90’s. But, you're going to base it off of walks and extra base hits? I said bonds had a better eye. Bonds didn’t have a better arm and had less range. Therefore, people would run on him and he’d give those runs right back. Cough sid bream cough.
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@eatyum said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@skepple15 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Take Griffey and Bonds came in the league almost at the same time. Bonds is batter but I think Griffey was better than Bonds in there prime.
Uh no.. Bonds was much better in his prime than Griffey
I would not say much better, They were both really good. I just looked at some stats, They were pretty equal. Bonds we know he best years were in his 30's and that was Jr decline with the injuries. For being one of the best players ever Bonds was terrible in the playoffs
That's all I need to know about how you value players.
BTW, Bonds had a 1.994 OPS in the 2001 WS, he literally did produce when it mattered most
Go look at the overall numbers of his PS
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Acccording to WAR Mickey Mantle is the 16th best player ever, Mel OTT is better than Mantle cause WAR says so. this is laughable
Mel Ott and Mickey Mantles numbers are very similar....
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@eatyum said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@Matt_42187 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@eatyum said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@skepple15 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Take Griffey and Bonds came in the league almost at the same time. Bonds is batter but I think Griffey was better than Bonds in there prime.
Uh no.. Bonds was much better in his prime than Griffey
I would not say much better, They were both really good. I just looked at some stats, They were pretty equal. Bonds we know he best years were in his 30's and that was Jr decline with the injuries. For being one of the best players ever Bonds was terrible in the playoffs
That's all I need to know about how you value players.
BTW, Bonds had a 1.994 OPS in the 2001 WS, he literally did produce when it mattered most
What about the other years in the playoffs? Can't go off of one steroid year.
I'm going off the only time Bonds made it the WS, you know the ultimate stage of baseball. If you want to dismiss it because of steroids, that's your prerogative, but he did produce when it mattered MOST, which is the World Series.
Regardless, judging someone by the playoffs is dumb and doesn't really say anything about the players entire career. That was my point
Part of the reason the Pirates never made it to the was Bonds poor Playoffs. To get to the WS players have to perform in the Playoffs. I am not judging by the playoffs I made a statement about Bonds being one of the best players in Baseball and not performing in the Playoffs. You decide to take 1 Series to point out he did perform. I already stated he is one of the best players ever. I do not care if he took the Roids.
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@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
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@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is. That is my issue with WAR is how people only use WAR to determine what player was better from different ERA's
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
You made an entire thread just to call out those people then are arguing with anyone who disagrees with you. Seems like you are arguing just to argue.
Ok and thats usually the case anyways. The better player usually has the better WAR. Who cares?
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@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
You made an entire thread just to call out those people then are arguing with anyone who disagrees with you. Seems like you are arguing just to argue.
Ok and thats usually the case anyways. The better player usually has the better WAR. Who cares?
That is not true, The best ever in Baseball usually do have the best WAR but when you get to the above avg, avg and below avg is the main issue. If you can not tell I care. If you do not then no point for you to say anything else. Have a good day
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
You made an entire thread just to call out those people then are arguing with anyone who disagrees with you. Seems like you are arguing just to argue.
Ok and thats usually the case anyways. The better player usually has the better WAR. Who cares?
That is not true, The best ever in Baseball usually do have the best WAR but when you get to the above avg, avg and below avg is the main issue. If you can not tell I care. If you do not then no point for you to say anything else. Have a good day
Ok then what do you want to use? You are crying about WAR but offer no alternative you would rather use. Once again, arguing just to argue.
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
Nobody on the forum only went by WAR. You just ran with it when WAR was brought up.
Most people who know what WAR is, generally know how we get to that number from other advanced analytics (wRC+, OPS+, UZR, dRS, ERA+, FIP, etc.).
The title of this thread proves you were looking for an argument this whole time -
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
You made an entire thread just to call out those people then are arguing with anyone who disagrees with you. Seems like you are arguing just to argue.
Ok and thats usually the case anyways. The better player usually has the better WAR. Who cares?
That is not true, The best ever in Baseball usually do have the best WAR but when you get to the above avg, avg and below avg is the main issue. If you can not tell I care. If you do not then no point for you to say anything else. Have a good day
Ok then what do you want to use? You are crying about WAR but offer no alternative you would rather use. Once again, arguing just to argue.
I guess you do not read very well or did not read everything on this forum. All the stats matter, Understanding the time in which players played in and what Management and scouts looked for in a player. The fact that how the game has changed with rules and the roles of players. Sabemetrics does says it is ok to K's 200 times a season, hit below .260 most seasons and walked 100 times a season would have a better War than a guy that hit above 270 most season, 3 times less K's a season and had 3 times less walks. Player A hit More HR, Player B had more RBI's. My value of a player says player B is the better player but WAR says player A is the better player.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
Nobody on the forum only went by WAR. You just ran with it when WAR was brought up.
Most people who know what WAR is, generally know how we get to that number from other advanced analytics (wRC+, OPS+, UZR, dRS, ERA+, FIP, etc.).
The title of this thread proves you were looking for an argument this whole timeYou do not pay to close attention on this forum or this site. I have had the debate with plenty of people over the last 3 years and yes they think WAR is the the only thing and that is it.
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
Nobody on the forum only went by WAR. You just ran with it when WAR was brought up.
Most people who know what WAR is, generally know how we get to that number from other advanced analytics (wRC+, OPS+, UZR, dRS, ERA+, FIP, etc.).
The title of this thread proves you were looking for an argument this whole timeYou do not pay to close attention on this forum or this site. I have had the debate with plenty of people over the last 3 years and yes they think WAR is the the only thing and that is it.
I don't pay close attention to you....
And all you come off as, is someone who's countering those people with total ignorance in the other direction.. -
@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
Nobody on the forum only went by WAR. You just ran with it when WAR was brought up.
Most people who know what WAR is, generally know how we get to that number from other advanced analytics (wRC+, OPS+, UZR, dRS, ERA+, FIP, etc.).
The title of this thread proves you were looking for an argument this whole timeYou do not pay to close attention on this forum or this site. I have had the debate with plenty of people over the last 3 years and yes they think WAR is the the only thing and that is it.
I don't pay close attention to you....
And all you come off as, is someone who's countering those people with total ignorance in the other direction..That is not true at all, tell me how I am being ignorant, because I do not believe WAR is the all be all, I take all stats of a players career into consideration and just do not jump to WAR for everything to say this player is better. Ignorant is saying WAR is the only thing you can measure to players from different ERA's. That is not true and WAR is flawed.
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Sabemetrics does says it is ok to K's 200 times a season, hit below .260 most seasons and walked 100 times a season would have a better War than a guy that hit above 270 most season, 3 times less K's a season and had 3 times less walks
Because "sabemetrics" figured out the other ways Adam Dunn (guy #1) was providing value (getting on base, hitting for power) than Juan Pierre was as Guy #2.
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
Nobody on the forum only went by WAR. You just ran with it when WAR was brought up.
Most people who know what WAR is, generally know how we get to that number from other advanced analytics (wRC+, OPS+, UZR, dRS, ERA+, FIP, etc.).
The title of this thread proves you were looking for an argument this whole timeYou do not pay to close attention on this forum or this site. I have had the debate with plenty of people over the last 3 years and yes they think WAR is the the only thing and that is it.
I don't pay close attention to you....
And all you come off as, is someone who's countering those people with total ignorance in the other direction..That is not true at all, tell me how I am being ignorant, because I do not believe WAR is the all be all, I take all stats of a players career into consideration and just do not jump to WAR for everything to say this player is better. Ignorant is saying WAR is the only thing you can measure to players from different ERA's. That is not true and WAR is flawed.
We've already gone over this.. none of the people in this thread is saying WAR is the end all be all. It's a useful accumulation. It's a great metric to use, and from there, break it down using other more specific stats (whether it be hitting/pitching/defense).
I haven't seen anyone saying it's just WAR and that's it, conversation over.. nobody..
But..
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@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Ignorant is saying WAR is the only thing you can measure to players from different ERA's. That is not true and WAR is flawed.
WAR isn't the only thing (others have mentioned other stats like ERA+, UZR, FIP, etc) , but it's the best thing until someone invents something better.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@Nanthrax_1 said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@GrandpaShaft said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dewrock said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
@dbarmonstar said in WAR MOST OVERRATED FORMULA IN BASEBALL:
Who is better George Brett or Wade Boggs
WAR says Brett 84.6
Boggs 81.4
Can you make a case that Boggs is better or do we only look at WAR.
You're making strawman arguments when it comes to WAR. I don't know anyone who seriously argues WAR in this way. Those two examples are basically the same WAR total. There's a negligible difference between the two players.
My argument and points is WAR is not the only thing you measure or compare players to debate who is better.
Ok and nobody is saying its the only thing you use. You are just arguing just to argue.
No i am not arguing to just argue. There are people on this forum that only go off WAR. The player with the Higher WAR is the better player cause WAR says it is.
Nobody on the forum only went by WAR. You just ran with it when WAR was brought up.
Most people who know what WAR is, generally know how we get to that number from other advanced analytics (wRC+, OPS+, UZR, dRS, ERA+, FIP, etc.).
The title of this thread proves you were looking for an argument this whole timeYou do not pay to close attention on this forum or this site. I have had the debate with plenty of people over the last 3 years and yes they think WAR is the the only thing and that is it.
I don't pay close attention to you....
And all you come off as, is someone who's countering those people with total ignorance in the other direction..No one can say using any formula 100 percent that player A is was better than player B in different ERA's. You all will say well WAR is the only thing we got, The two players did not face the same competition play in the same parks. I know i know WAR takes that in consideration but no you would never know how players from different ERA's would have perform in that stadium it is an assumption how they would have performed. I discredit that. Players and Mangement was not concerned about Sabermetrics and again the way players were looked are were different. The roles of players on how the game was played was different and that has no consideration when it comes to WAR. Do the best players that ever played have the highest WAR they do. You can not say Babe Ruth if he played in today's game that he would have the same, better or worst war. All you have is in the time in which he played. I personally do not like comparing players that played in different ERA's you can not really say who the better player is who you are talking about the best of all time.
