The constant negativity is ruining MLB The Show
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@victoryphoenix_PSN lemme ask you something. How can there be a toxic offline player? Yall act like every online game someone is calling you slurs and bunt dancing every at bat. If you want to say they “force “ you to play online that’s your own prerogative. It’s not like they don’t make online players play offline modes .
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@Dolenz_PSN I had probably the most unenjoyable hour and a half on ranked earlier but I’m just gonna let it run off my back. I played 4 1000 icons in a row trying to make an early ranked run and let’s just say it resulted in my new 97 leiters era getting destroyed. But oh well I was playing the closest thing to the sport I love I can atm and was trying my best to make light out of it.
My whole WC was like that. I did win a few games but none of the games were enjoyable. I truly wish I knew the secret to how legend pitches (when watching streamers) are slower than my all star. I can easily see the pitches when watching but can't see or read anything at home. Been baffling me for years. If I knew a PS5 Pro was the answer I would buy one in a heartbeat. What I'm worried about is buying one and getting the same result. I tweaked some settings last night to try in the event. Luckily played Miz back to back home and away and both felt like trying to hit 120 mph wiffle balls.
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@Onix_Savage22_PSN man I feel this, I played baseball for years, started a family and this is my only connection to baseball other than watching MLB games. Been buying this game for years, and will likely continue because the core of it, the game is still fun. It's like most video games now, they cater to the top 1% and everyone else just has to enjoy what is given to them. Taking feedback from the guys, and gals, who live on the game and make money from it, doesn't make sense to me. These are the sort of people who will move onto another game if there's a higher dollar value attached to it but the main core group will likely continue playing MLB without compensation attached to it.
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@Dolenz_PSN I agree with that. But then as I thought about it more - tens of thousands of people did it. They probably can’t even track it correctly + can’t ban them all. Though I think they should, personally.
Goes with my entire point about the community. People cheating and taking advantage of glitches is childish behavior and it’s putting SDS in a hard place.
Oh, they can track it. I went back and looked at some of the games I played against a suspect player. On 5/31 he had around 50 games against CPU that lasted like a minute each.
I think expecting them to do anything at this point against cheaters and glitchers is futile.
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I'm gonna try to address this as respectfully as I can because that's how I mean it. I'm not going to come here calling you a shill or anything of that ilk.
the community is becoming one of the biggest problems with MLB The Show.
Yes and no- On one hand they do more or less an adequate job of communicating with the community when they want to and we need to accept that they could be doing their best, and sure that's to be applauded at times. On the other hand, consumers are 100% absolutely allowed to be unhappy with what's become a lacklustre product over the past 3 years. Is there a ton of negativity? Yes. Is most of it deserved? I lean towards yes.
We have toxic content creators who complain about almost everything, encourage people to exploit glitches
This is the bigger problem than the community at large, IMHO. Because unfortunately, these guys (streamers) are the minority that SDS listens to. It's not unique to SDS either, EA has the same problem with it's sports franchises as well.
We have people harassing SDS employees on X
This I have a real problem with- this is unacceptable, but doesn't represent the community as a whole. At least I really hope it doesn't.
leaking content and ruining surprises
I don't see this as a bad thing, honestly. Mildly irritating? Sure. But spoilers have been a thing forever in gaming.
And I doubt most of the loudest people complaining have any idea what actually goes into building, launching, maintaining, and fixing a video game at this scale
The average gamer? Probably not, but some of us do understand coding etc and know that certain things really can be fixed fairly simply if they just cared enough to do it- and I think this is where the frustration comes from.
there’s a big difference between criticism and acting like every issue is some personal attack on the player base.
Absolutely...but there's an issue there: There's a handful of people, whether it's here or the reddit sub that attempt to gaslight posters by claiming that. Basically, they'll attack the poster claiming it's not a valid complaint and that they're just p!ssy about XYZ. There are a lot of posts with very valid criticisms here, and there are that are truly just nitpicky whiny things.
The reality is, hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of people are playing this game and enjoying it.
Absolutely, I agree. Maybe not millions, but I agree.
It’s still a great game
No, it's really not (this year, at least). This really is a pretty bad release.
But the loudest parts of the community make it feel like everything is terrible all the time.
I agree, but much of that is warranted and stems from the lack of communication/acknowledgment from SDS. There's little things SDS likes to "sneak" in without mentioning it. Like cutting in game XP in a half a few years ago- they basically ignored everyone asking if something was wrong, or if it was intentional. This year, the one that really stirred the hornet's nest with a good portion of the player base was the implementation of the card cap. That was a big one for me because I go NMS most years outside of a $10 stub purchase to help kick off my initial investments. They 100% should have mentioned that pre release, but it was deliberately withheld because I think they knew it would affect their sales.
This community could be so much better than it is right now.
I agree...but so could the game. Two wrongs don't make a right, but SDS needs to make a better product to silence the masses. There will always be people who find things to complain about, always have been and always will be. But creating a better product, would basically solve a good portion of the community issues.
Hell, I'd be on board with them skipping a year if it meant they'd work on things and put some more polish and shine into it from the ground up, improve the stadium creator, work on content, cleaner animations, weed out all the small things that can add up like Constructicons into one big issue (shimmering jersey glitch in the Paul O'Niell moment, for example), outfielders being able to cleanly field a ball after it hits a wall 40 feet past the fence, yet somehow stays in play- things like that need to be weeded out.
Hope this wasn't overly critical of your post, just trying to add counterpoints to the discussion
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The community is making this game harder to enjoy
I know this probably won’t be a popular post, but I feel like the community is becoming one of the biggest problems with MLB The Show.
The game is not perfect. Nobody is saying it is. There are issues, there are frustrating moments, and there are absolutely things SDS can improve. But the way some people talk about this game, and the way some creators lead the conversation around it, has gotten ridiculous.
We have toxic content creators who complain about almost everything, encourage people to exploit glitches, and then act like the game is completely broken because they’re mad about whatever the latest thing is. We have people harassing SDS employees on X, flooding every post with negativity, leaking content and ruining surprises, and just generally making the entire environment miserable.
And I doubt most of the loudest people complaining have any idea what actually goes into building, launching, maintaining, and fixing a video game at this scale. That doesn’t mean SDS is above criticism, but there’s a big difference between criticism and acting like every issue is some personal attack on the player base.
The reality is, hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of people are playing this game and enjoying it. Most people just log on, play some baseball, build their team, and have fun. It’s still a great game with an awesome mode in Diamond Dynasty. But the loudest parts of the community make it feel like everything is terrible all the time.
I actually think SDS deserves some credit for continuing to show up, communicate, release content, and try to improve things, knowing full well that no matter what they do, people are going to attack them.
It’s just a shame. I love baseball, I love this game, and I wish the community around it was better. Criticism is fine. Feedback is fine. But the constant negativity, harassment, glitch exploiting, cheating, and leaking is brutal.
I know I’ll probably get [censored] for this post, but I genuinely feel for SDS. This community could be so much better than it is right now.
Don't blame the community for the abysmal state of this game. This was just a [censored] poor effort from this company.
PCI shrinkage
Switch hitter meta
Collections were you get 5 cards for free and have to buy or get rare round for other 30
Cheaters
Glitchers
Sure I'm missing a ton of thingsSDS found that they could make more money leaving a glitch and providing switch hitters. Combatting cheaters and people that use glitches take resources (money mainly) and this greedy company isn't going to do anything about it. It is the wild west on this game.
You want something positive? It is a baseball game and the only real baseball game out. They are 100% taking advantage of this. Do you think if there was a major competitor, they would be addressing these things? Likely. This company gets all [censored] hurt about the negative. You want to change the narrative? Fix your [censored] game, ban the cheaters and glitchers, quit heading the route of Madden (you are straight ignorant if you can't see the direction this game is headed). Really not that hard, just takes some effort on your part. Sorry, haven't seen any.
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The community is making this game harder to enjoy
I know this probably won’t be a popular post, but I feel like the community is becoming one of the biggest problems with MLB The Show.
The game is not perfect. Nobody is saying it is. There are issues, there are frustrating moments, and there are absolutely things SDS can improve. But the way some people talk about this game, and the way some creators lead the conversation around it, has gotten ridiculous.
We have toxic content creators who complain about almost everything, encourage people to exploit glitches, and then act like the game is completely broken because they’re mad about whatever the latest thing is. We have people harassing SDS employees on X, flooding every post with negativity, leaking content and ruining surprises, and just generally making the entire environment miserable.
And I doubt most of the loudest people complaining have any idea what actually goes into building, launching, maintaining, and fixing a video game at this scale. That doesn’t mean SDS is above criticism, but there’s a big difference between criticism and acting like every issue is some personal attack on the player base.
The reality is, hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of people are playing this game and enjoying it. Most people just log on, play some baseball, build their team, and have fun. It’s still a great game with an awesome mode in Diamond Dynasty. But the loudest parts of the community make it feel like everything is terrible all the time.
I actually think SDS deserves some credit for continuing to show up, communicate, release content, and try to improve things, knowing full well that no matter what they do, people are going to attack them.
It’s just a shame. I love baseball, I love this game, and I wish the community around it was better. Criticism is fine. Feedback is fine. But the constant negativity, harassment, glitch exploiting, cheating, and leaking is brutal.
I know I’ll probably get [censored] for this post, but I genuinely feel for SDS. This community could be so much better than it is right now.
Don't blame the community for the abyssmal state of this game. This was just a [censored] poor effort from this company.
PCI shrinkage
Switch hitter meta
Collections were you get 5 cards for free and have to buy or get rare round for other 30
Cheaters
Glitchers
Sure I'm missing a ton of thingsSDS found that they could make more money leaving a glitch and providing switch hitters. Combatting cheaters and people that use glitches take resources (money mainly) and this greedy company isn't going to do anything about it. It is the wild west on this game.
You want something positive? It is a baseball game and the only real baseball game out. They are 100% taking advantage of this. Do you think if there was a major competitor, they would be addressing these things? Likely. This company gets all [censored] hurt about the negative. You want to change the narrative? Fix your [censored] game, ban the cheaters and glitchers, quit heading the route of Madden (you are straight ignorant if you can't see the direction this game is headed). Really not that hard, just takes some effort on your part. Sorry, haven't seen any.
Let's also blame the community. We create problems that don't exist.
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The community is still apart of the problem I know some of you view everything with rose tinted glasses. There are actually issues and every minor inconvenience certain people don’t like.
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@ApolloZ_99_MLBTS Name one thing that has been removed from online modes. I can provide a laundry list of things removed from offline modes. I have no desire to play online again; players who run bots do keymashing to slow down the servers and power swing at every pitch. I couldn't care less what features are online. I just want offline to return to the experience it was before this year. I don't hold animosity towards online players like you seemingly do towards offline players. I just want the experience to be enjoyable for all players. Franchise mode was gutted now they are doing that to all offline modes.
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@victoryphoenix_PSN I mean just for starters they kille events and BR. And yall think content only affects yall. We also have to play offline to obtain the collection cards from mini season and conquest. The only ones we can buy are from diamond quest. It’s also impossible for us to abuse the game where we get thousands of packs in a matter of hrs
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@Sarge1387_PSN very fair points, and a super respectful reply. Appreciate it.
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The community is still apart of the problem I know some of you view everything with rose tinted glasses. There are actually issues and every minor inconvenience certain people don’t like.
Everyone should go to the latest X post on the Giants' comeback. 95% of the messages are toxic, swearing at them, have nothing to do with the post.
That's what I give SDS credit for. I would either stop posting or turn off comments.
There is just no reason for people to be like this. I don't care how "mad" they are.
And to your minor inconvenience piece - remember the when Elly was released? Everyone was complaining about how bad of a card he was.
I'm pretty sure he's been starting against me in 90% of Ranked games. Card must be terrible! -
The community is still apart of the problem I know some of you view everything with rose tinted glasses. There are actually issues and every minor inconvenience certain people don’t like.
There are definitely those who view the game with Rose Colored glasses but there are also those who act like every issue, whether big or small, is a personal insult SDS has made against them that must be answered in kind.
I feel like I have been fairly negative this year but I would like to think that I have been able to post my concerns in a reasonably civil manner without hurling insults at the company, it's employees or those here who do not agree with me.
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The community is still apart of the problem I know some of you view everything with rose tinted glasses. There are actually issues and every minor inconvenience certain people don’t like.
Everyone should go to the latest X post on the Giants' comeback. 95% of the messages are toxic, swearing at them, have nothing to do with the post.
That's what I give SDS credit for. I would either stop posting or turn off comments.
There is just no reason for people to be like this. I don't care how "mad" they are.
And to your minor inconvenience piece - remember the when Elly was released? Everyone was complaining about how bad of a card he was.
I'm pretty sure he's been starting against me in 90% of Ranked games. Card must be terrible!But's it OK for a multi million dollar company to flat ignore major issues with a game? I would have more respect if they just came out and said, we are unable to fix shrinkage instead of releasing mostly switch hitting chase and collection cards to take advantage of a glitch in their product.
They have the tools to ban both the cheaters and the glitchers but let's be honest, they don't want to spend the money to do so.
Don't make EVERY chase and collection the best card released for the week. It would not hurt them to mix in some better cards that can be grinded for. I don't want to hear deGrom either as probably at least 90% of people can't do that showdown.
Do people get out of hand with the cards? Sure they do. Welcome to Earth. If a company doesn't do the right thing instead of the greedy thing, I have zero sympathy for you.
Will I keep playing because I like baseball? Yes. Will I play as much as I usually would with all the issues? No but I don't spend any additional money so we don't matter. All the issues I listed are major issues with this game. I have zero problem with a business making money as long as they are addressing major issues when they arise. The only issue they address is when someone messes with the market/stubs (3rd party). Isn't that exactly what cheaters and glitchers are doing?
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I’ll be glad when the devs are fired. Most won’t step foot in a real studio again. Sorry you feel differently, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, two wrongs don’t make a right, and all those other really cool sayings about holding hands and being one. I will laugh… out loud….when they get fired.
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The community is making this game harder to enjoy
I know this probably won’t be a popular post, but I feel like the community is becoming one of the biggest problems with MLB The Show.
The game is not perfect. Nobody is saying it is. There are issues, there are frustrating moments, and there are absolutely things SDS can improve. But the way some people talk about this game, and the way some creators lead the conversation around it, has gotten ridiculous.
We have toxic content creators who complain about almost everything, encourage people to exploit glitches, and then act like the game is completely broken because they’re mad about whatever the latest thing is. We have people harassing SDS employees on X, flooding every post with negativity, leaking content and ruining surprises, and just generally making the entire environment miserable.
And I doubt most of the loudest people complaining have any idea what actually goes into building, launching, maintaining, and fixing a video game at this scale. That doesn’t mean SDS is above criticism, but there’s a big difference between criticism and acting like every issue is some personal attack on the player base.
The reality is, hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of people are playing this game and enjoying it. Most people just log on, play some baseball, build their team, and have fun. It’s still a great game with an awesome mode in Diamond Dynasty. But the loudest parts of the community make it feel like everything is terrible all the time.
I actually think SDS deserves some credit for continuing to show up, communicate, release content, and try to improve things, knowing full well that no matter what they do, people are going to attack them.
It’s just a shame. I love baseball, I love this game, and I wish the community around it was better. Criticism is fine. Feedback is fine. But the constant negativity, harassment, glitch exploiting, cheating, and leaking is brutal.
I know I’ll probably get [censored] for this post, but I genuinely feel for SDS. This community could be so much better than it is right now.
Don't blame the community for the abyssmal state of this game. This was just a [censored] poor effort from this company.
PCI shrinkage
Switch hitter meta
Collections were you get 5 cards for free and have to buy or get rare round for other 30
Cheaters
Glitchers
Sure I'm missing a ton of thingsSDS found that they could make more money leaving a glitch and providing switch hitters. Combatting cheaters and people that use glitches take resources (money mainly) and this greedy company isn't going to do anything about it. It is the wild west on this game.
You want something positive? It is a baseball game and the only real baseball game out. They are 100% taking advantage of this. Do you think if there was a major competitor, they would be addressing these things? Likely. This company gets all [censored] hurt about the negative. You want to change the narrative? Fix your [censored] game, ban the cheaters and glitchers, quit heading the route of Madden (you are straight ignorant if you can't see the direction this game is headed). Really not that hard, just takes some effort on your part. Sorry, haven't seen any.
Let's also blame the community. We create problems that don't exist.
Are you talking about cards that you can't play on legend with or teams like the Yankees having more cards than say Royals? To me that isn't a problem. I very well know that the Yankees have way more and far better legends than the Royals. I don't get upset about the number of Royals cards released. Their legend pool is extremely thin. I also understand that players use theme teams and 93 topps now cards are used more for those than playing ranked.
Any other problems the community creates that don't exist? I would be interested on hearing those.
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I’ll be glad when the devs are fired. Most won’t step foot in a real studio again. Sorry you feel differently, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, two wrongs don’t make a right, and all those other really cool sayings about holding hands and being one. I will laugh… out loud….when they get fired.
This is exactly the type of thing I’m talking about. Criticism is totally fair, but being excited about real people losing their jobs over a video game is wild.
I get being frustrated. I’ve had frustrations with the game too. But there’s a big difference between “this needs to be fixed” and acting like the people working on it are lazy, incompetent, or deserve to be unemployed. None of us know what their internal resources, timelines, budget, staffing, or technical limitations actually look like.
Hold the game accountable, sure. But rooting for people to get fired is just weird.
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If they gave us a decent game at launch we wouldn't be here complaining.
I don't think the devs should be fired. I can't hope for that in good conscience. Those are people with lives and jobs. I struggled to find a job for six months last year in this abysmal job market, and I don't want someone to face the same thing.
But we should hold the game accountable, I agree. We should expect better from a game we pay $70 for every year. At that price we should be receiving a good product that is not only worth the money, but also our time playing it.
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The community is still apart of the problem I know some of you view everything with rose tinted glasses. There are actually issues and every minor inconvenience certain people don’t like.
Everyone should go to the latest X post on the Giants' comeback. 95% of the messages are toxic, swearing at them, have nothing to do with the post.
That's what I give SDS credit for. I would either stop posting or turn off comments.
There is just no reason for people to be like this. I don't care how "mad" they are.
And to your minor inconvenience piece - remember the when Elly was released? Everyone was complaining about how bad of a card he was.
I'm pretty sure he's been starting against me in 90% of Ranked games. Card must be terrible!Frankly, any corporation employee who has an online account, be it on X, or a web forum like this, is being paid to be a public spokesman. It is no different that a public affairs official who takes questions from the media. Some of the reporters are reasonable people and some are hacks just out to attack. Either way, it goes with the job and you get paid to deal with it.
One more thing I want to add, since before I read Sarge's extended comments, I sort of glossed over that assertion you made about folks being ignorant of what it takes to write code for a video game. Go back to my original reply to you. If your new car fails to start sitting in the office parking lot, you don't have to hold a degree in mechanical engineering to realize you paid for a clunker!
That said, I do hold a minor in computer science issued by NC State University. Yes, it was decades in the past, but while earning that minor to go along with my larger BS degree from same, I actually did write a video game. It became rather popular with the other computer science students I attended classes with and wrote code with in the computer labs.
I also worked on several projects to create virtual aircraft for noteworthy PC flight simulators. My main work was in testing their aircraft for proper flight characteristics. This because I knew my path was different than working in a cubicle pounding out computer code all day. It was flying high performance aircraft for the US Air Force, and I firmly believe I made the right choice for myself.
But, I was well known for providing accurate feedback to those who created the virtual aircraft. I also understood that these companies had to turn a profit to remain in business. I earned a reputation for detailed analysis and thorough examination. In addition to the testing, I also ran a company myself that specialized in creating virtual aircraft, missions, and aerial combat campaigns for what was then known as Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator I and II. I assembled a team of coders, testers, and software experts.
So, yes, I very much know what it takes to put out quality computer technology. So, given I have gone from very much pro SDS and how they managed this once outstanding game title, to perhaps being one of their most ardent critics herein, I would say I earned that change of heart by SDS's repeated malice and poor workmanship. And I think I operate from a principle of integrity and honesty. I also think the vast majority of the bug reports and complaints written here are entirely fair and objectively accurate.
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The community is still apart of the problem I know some of you view everything with rose tinted glasses. There are actually issues and every minor inconvenience certain people don’t like.
Everyone should go to the latest X post on the Giants' comeback. 95% of the messages are toxic, swearing at them, have nothing to do with the post.
That's what I give SDS credit for. I would either stop posting or turn off comments.
There is just no reason for people to be like this. I don't care how "mad" they are.
And to your minor inconvenience piece - remember the when Elly was released? Everyone was complaining about how bad of a card he was.
I'm pretty sure he's been starting against me in 90% of Ranked games. Card must be terrible!Frankly, any corporation employee who has an online account, be it on X, or a web forum like this, is being paid to be a public spokesman. It is no different that a public affairs official who takes questions from the media. Some of the reporters are reasonable people and some are hacks just out to attack. Either way, it goes with the job and you get paid to deal with it.
One more thing I want to add, since before I read Sarge's extended comments, I sort of glossed over that assertion you made about folks being ignorant of what it takes to write code for a video game. Go back to my original reply to you. If your new car fails to start sitting in the office parking lot, you don't have to hold a degree in mechanical engineering to realize you paid for a clunker!
That said, I do hold a minor in computer science issued by NC State University. Yes, it was decades in the past, but while earning that minor to go along with my larger BS degree from same, I actually did write a video game. It became rather popular with the other computer science students I attended classes with and wrote code with in the computer labs.
I also worked on several projects to create virtual aircraft for noteworthy PC flight simulators. My main work was in testing their aircraft for proper flight characteristics. This because I knew my path was different than working in a cubicle pounding out computer code all day. It was flying high performance aircraft for the US Air Force, and I firmly believe I made the right choice for myself.
But, I was well known for providing accurate feedback to those who created the virtual aircraft. I also understood that these companies had to turn a profit to remain in business. I earned a reputation for detailed analysis and thorough examination. In addition to the testing, I also ran a company myself that specialized in creating virtual aircraft, missions, and aerial combat campaigns for what was then known as Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator I and II. I assembled a team of coders, testers, and software experts.
So, yes, I very much know what it takes to put out quality computer technology. So, given I have gone from very much pro SDS and how they managed this once outstanding game title, to perhaps being one of their most ardent critics herein, I would say I earned that change of heart by SDS's repeated malice and poor workmanship. And I think I operate from a principle of integrity and honesty. I also think the vast majority of the bug reports and complaints written here are entirely fair and objectively accurate.
Fair points, and I appreciate the thoughtful response.
To be clear, I’m not saying complaints are never warranted. They absolutely are. I’ve made them myself. When my account was erroneously restricted, I posted about it. When I lost 700K stubs, I posted about that too. Both were eventually fixed, but they were real issues and I had every right to be frustrated.
My point is more about how people handle that frustration.
You don’t strike me as someone who is just blindly attacking people, threatening SDS employees, swearing at them, or rooting for people to lose their jobs. So what I’m saying probably doesn’t apply to you. Constructive criticism is fine. Detailed bug reports are fine. Calling out legitimate issues is fine.
But there’s a huge difference between that and the constant toxic pile-on we see around every single thing SDS posts. Complaining about every little inconvenience, turning every issue into “SDS is trash,” harassing employees on X, encouraging glitches, or hoping people get fired is a completely different thing.
And for what it’s worth, this is probably my least favorite MLB The Show since I started playing. So I’m not pretending the game is perfect. It isn’t. There are plenty of things I’d change.
I just also think it’s still a much better game, and much more fun, than the loudest parts of the community make it out to be. And frankly, a lot of the people acting like the game is unplayable are still logging in and playing it every day.
That’s really my point. Criticism is healthy. The nonstop negativity and personal toxicity are not.
Also - yes, you may be someone that understands what goes into video game development. I also have a bit of a CS background (in that I was a CS major for 2 years before changing), but there are people calling for devs to lose their jobs over stuff they truly don't understand.
