SDS just gave us all the middle finger!
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@Dinger_Dan19_PSN in the eyes of a game developer, anything that breaks the system in place is a exploit. im just calling it as it is. and as the person who found this bug and shared it to the subreddit a month ago, i knew this was the risk. i just dont think this melodramatic overreaction to a game studio doing the bare minimum work is doing anyone any favors
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@maddybutgames_PSN ok you missed the point.
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So the question now is... WHEN will MLB The Show be available on PC? This will solve many of our problems!
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@Dinger_Dan19_PSN please enlighten me on what point i have seemed to miss in all this. that people are upset SDS fixed an exploit in their game and took their usual steps in addressing said exploit? i get frustration with the feature itself (i also am not a fan of what the mode has become), but reading messages here and elsewhere, it seems targeted at SDS for just doing their job as a gaming company
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@maddybutgames_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@Dinger_Dan19_PSN please enlighten me on what point i have seemed to miss in all this. that people are upset SDS fixed an exploit in their game and took their usual steps in addressing said exploit? i get frustration with the feature itself (i also am not a fan of what the mode has become), but reading messages here and elsewhere, it seems targeted at SDS for just doing their job as a gaming company
The point is that they ignored the requests to fix the bugs that affect SC daily, rather than fixing a bug that hardly anybody used or knew about. They ignored the community and spent programming hours fixing something that wasn't a significant issue, while other important issues still remain.
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@Blind_Bleeder_PSN i will concur some of the bugs in the creator this year not being fixed by now (mostly the fence wall props for me) is annoying, but its clear to me SDS saw the baseline glitch as a high priority thing to fix. why? who knows. same went with the batters eye moveable props last year, and that situation probably effected their response to this new exploit.
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@Blind_Bleeder_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@maddybutgames_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@Dinger_Dan19_PSN please enlighten me on what point i have seemed to miss in all this. that people are upset SDS fixed an exploit in their game and took their usual steps in addressing said exploit? i get frustration with the feature itself (i also am not a fan of what the mode has become), but reading messages here and elsewhere, it seems targeted at SDS for just doing their job as a gaming company
The point is that they ignored the requests to fix the bugs that affect SC daily, rather than fixing a bug that hardly anybody used or knew about. They ignored the community and spent programming hours fixing something that wasn't a significant issue, while other important issues still remain.
Fair points, but it's even worse than that. SDS spent money to end something that increased customer happiness and not due to any legitimate concerns over abuse of the game. Since custom stadiums can no longer be played online, there were zero options for abusing online play due to being able to move the baseline and backstop walls.
In short, SDS went on an overt public relations campaign with the release of MLB The Show 25 saying that they were listening to their customers, when in truth they are run by control freaks who treat customers like garbage and arrogantly presume they dictate what their customers do, suffering from the myopic view that SDS is too big to fail.
Nope, they are very much in the margin of companies fully able to destroy themselves by destroying their customer relationships, and this latest move outraged a great many customers. I don't spend my money on companies that treat me with outright malice.
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"mal·ice
/ˈmaləs/
noun
the intention or desire to do evil; ill will."dont know if i'd call a game studio patching a bug evil, but you do you.
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@maddybutgames_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
it was a bug, a glitch. SDS ignoring it just so 10 people online are happy is not good business practice. i would wager more than 3/4ths of the player base for this game does not check these forums, yet their experience matters all the same. its not a crime to fix a broken aspect of their video game, no matter how beneficial it may seem on the surface. there are people at SDS who get paid and are hired for just this. it was a broken and exploited aspect of the game, plain and simple. they want to make sure their game runs as smoothly as it can, and edited baseline walls can impact that greatly. it sucks, but SDS had no other choice.
but hey, nice to know SDS does check the request tickets they are sent
I get what you think you're trying to say, but it was SIGNIFICANTLY more than 10 people and to downplay it is more or less just ignorant. Of all the things that needed fixing...one that wasn't being a detriment in any way whatsoever to the game, or ability to play, was NOT one of them. If SDS had any sense whatsoever they'd just walk it back
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Maddy just wanted to take an “I told you so” lap on this getting patched when the real issue is that the glitch/exploit revealed that the stadium creator could be jail broken by the devs with pretty minimal time and resource expenditure to give users way more creative freedom. They refuse to do so and should be criticized for using the little dev time devoted to the feature for restricting creativity instead of adding props and functionality.
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@Sarge1387_PSN We can all think it doesn't impact "ability to play", but the freedom the exploit provided could mean walls could be place in ways that did impact the game at hand. And the excuse of "but stadiums no online" won't hold any weight if/when SDS decides to let stadiums be used online again. Judging by the fact they patched the exploit out, it could easily be a preemptive measure for the return of stadiums online. Same with the batters eye prop glitch from last year. This exploit that could impact every mode in the game, not just Stadium Creator. I'm sorry Stadium Creator is not a high enough priority on SDS list of stuff in the grand scheme of things, but this move makes sense for across the board game balancing.
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@Jas_155_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
Maddy just wanted to take an “I told you so” lap on this getting patched when the real issue is that the glitch/exploit revealed that the stadium creator could be jail broken by the devs with pretty minimal time and resource expenditure to give users way more creative freedom. They refuse to do so and should be criticized for using the little dev time devoted to the feature for restricting creativity instead of adding props and functionality.
Perfectly said. I note that Joe is nowhere to be seen. I'm sure if he's still working for SDS that he got a heads up on this "update." We've reached the point where SDS has nowhere left to hide. When I saw the wall glitch over at the Reddit forum for the first time, I honestly thought the person who posted that thread engaged in a sly bit of photoshopping, either as a joke or to just troll for replies.
Then, I quickly realized it was on the level, that person really did move the baseline walls and my immediate thought was this needs to go viral. It will force SDS to show their hand. As Sarge1387 rightly has written, the lay up was for SDS to realize that spending time and money to degrade Stadium Creator was a fool's errand.
The easiest response was to jail break SC and give customers what we have been asking for these four years now. I was hoping that by exposing the reality of the situation, that SDS paid for lock out code to degrade our version of SC, that SDS would change course.
I figured there was a chance SDS would remain led by people who stubbornly refuse to give the customers what they reasonably ask for, even when the option is easily available, and would instead choose to spend more money and time further working to restrict it.
But, I also concluded that if SDS was willing to go that far down the drain, then they would expose without question how toxic a company they truly are. And they have. I'm not taking any victory lap -- not by a long shot. I don't rejoice in stupidity. I take no pleasure in any company destroying its valuable customer relationships.
I gave SDS the chance, and they chose to go in an utterly stupid, almost suicidal direction. They have told us customers where we stand and from this point forward, they may as well abandon all sense of public relations. For SDS, spending PR money is a pointless effort.
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lol. lmao.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL I think it’s pretty clear that SDS does not care about the Stadium Creator precisely because the number of consumers who do care enough about the feature to stop buying the product is negligible in their financial forecasts. They have no incentive to do anything with the feature and that’s disappointing. Welcome to capitalism.
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@Jas_155_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL I think it’s pretty clear that SDS does not care about the Stadium Creator precisely because the number of consumers who do care enough about the feature to stop buying the product is negligible in their financial forecasts. They have no incentive to do anything with the feature and that’s disappointing. Welcome to capitalism.
I appreciate your point of view. But, it's not free market capitalism. What SDS is doing is an offshoot of crony capitalism, where one or a few companies can form a monopoly and then act aloof and arrogant. In real capitalism, soon as a company shows its backhand to customers, the customers readily go elsewhere and that company is soon extinct.
This worm will turn, and folks who want to play high quality baseball video games will have other choices and leave SDS in the dustbin of history. It's only a matter of time.
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@Jas_155_PSN Right on the nose, really.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL One patched bug and annoyance from an online minority does not mean SDS is gonna go bankrupt be serious lol
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Hello. After checking in with the greater dev team, we've confirmed that this bug was intentionally fixed due to the risk of it causing more serious issues with stadiums and gameplay. That said, while the community team can't make any guarantees, we've again passed along the feedback and the dev team is aware of the community's interest in adjusting foul territory in custom stadiums.
Just to clarify, this decision wasn't made by Joe specifically. Feedback is always welcomed and regularly shared with the dev team, but final decisions around priorities for bug fixes and feature requests are not made by one person from the community team. While venting frustrations and dissatisfaction about the game is allowed, we ask that it remains constructive. Personal attacks toward developers or other community members don't help move the conversation forward and will not be tolerated.
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Nonsense! There was no risk to versus CPU gameplay. You are not even allowing custom stadiums in online games due to the head-to-head CTD issue that you flagged three months ago. You have not fixed that bug.
In the amount of time and money it costed SDS to "fix" this issue, you could have instead taken the step to ensure no encroachment into the fair territory of the default stadium template, which would align SC with official MLB rules. It would have taken no more effort to ensure wall panels are not placed within fair territory as the effort you went to in order to freeze the wall panels where they are.
Moreover, freezing the panels where they are does nothing at all to prevent stadiums that have been created with deliberate malice. So, leading off with that rationale you offered doesn't wash. Vice take the action that would reasonably address the concern, you chose instead to apply the control measure to stymie customer happiness.
I played these modified stadiums hundreds of times and not once saw any issues where balls and players failed to properly interact with the moved wall panels. Therefore, the preexisting code applied to the move of baseline and backstop wall panels equally as well as the code already applied to wall panels that were moved in the outfield.
BTW: If SDS devs are so all fired worried about game interactions not working as they should, then why over the course of four years has the backstop netting never been fixed to actually block baseballs from going through the net into the stands behind home plate? This reality despite years of customers providing SDS hundreds of bug reports on this issue with the backstop netting. I personally provided multiple bug reports over the last four years since SDS first included Stadium Creator.
Finally, we are not a group of children here. We fully understand Joe didn't personally make the decisions on how to run SDS. However, he gets some response here because of what was communicated earlier about SDS listening to customers, accepting our feedback, and working to establish higher levels of customer satisfaction.
All that public relations effort has been destroyed by this Update #15. I seriously doubt you appreciate the harm this latest action has caused. I won't be buying anything else released by SDS unless you guys backtrack on this action very quickly. And I don't think you will, because I don't think as a company our desires matter one iota to you.
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@Victor_SDS_PSN Thank you for the clarification
