Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!
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@AdeptOfMemory_PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
He was betting his team would win! "Boy, there's even MORE on the line for me. Better play harder!" What an influence on the game huh??
Except for the days where he DIDN'T bet on them to win. Did he try harder then too?
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@SaveFarris_PSN
You're gonna need to sauce this information for me because last I checked he was betting for his teams to win especially playoff games.
I'm an old timer when it comes to rose and join the guys that defend him. The man was a bit crazy and did questionable things. I'm not defending his morals and outside of the sport actions. I'm only arguing on the point his bets were for his team to WIN.
They investigated Shohei for a solid 10 minutes and his translator folded. Shohei speaks English. The entire argument to defend shohei is "he's to stupid to gamble and manage his finances." That's ridiculous. It's because he makes the MLB millions upon millions of dollars and banning him to the same degree would absolutely decimate the MLB.
Rose was white american and didn't have a translator. What a shame. -
@Jacky-Chan1_XBL said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
Ironic that MLB allowed Las Vegas to take the A's.
Say it louder, homie!
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@AdeptOfMemory_PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
You're gonna need to sauce this information for me because last I checked he was betting for his teams to win especially playoff games.
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@SaveFarris_PSN
Homie I ain't reading 228 pages of that document to find out if he betted AGAINST his own team. I'm not disputing him betting on baseball games, goober. You look through 228 pages and tell me what page and line. -
@SaveFarris_PSN
I didn't read your entire document cause all it took was a quick google search to find out he never betted against the Reds.
Please move on.
I don't care if players bet on games. We have a saturated market of book keeping apps that the MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, etc all profit from but they forbid the players from using them?? That's horse caca.
Rose is innocent if Shohei is innocent. -
If Pete bets on the Reds on Monday, DOESN'T bet on them Tuesday, then bets on them again Wednesday, that's the same as betting against your team on Tuesday.
You do know that, right? Because that's what happened. Not to mention that the rules says you don't bet on baseball games, for or against, or face permanent ineligibility.
Pete knew it.
He did it anyway.
And now he gets to suffer the punishment. -
@SaveFarris_PSN
So either shohei is guilty or he's retarded? Which is it? -
Why not both?
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@SaveFarris_PSN
Agreed.
Rose didn't bet against his team. What you're saying isn't true. "he didn't bet so that means he bet against." Dummest argument. -
@AdeptOfMemory_PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
@SaveFarris_PSN
Agreed.
Rose didn't bet against his team. What you're saying isn't true. "he didn't bet so that means he bet against." Dummest argument.He bet against his team hence why he's banned, just give up because your not going to win this argument
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I personally think Rose should still be in the HOF but saying "He bet on his team to WIN" has to be one of the stupidest attempts at reasoning i've seen in the forums. Betting for his team to win opens up a whole other can of worms and more investigations from MLB. Was Rose working with someone? Did he reach out to an opposing coach and offer a cut to bench a star player, pull an ace early or leave a bullpen arm in longer than he should? Maybe there was an opposing player who saw an increase in defensive errors when playing against Rose. A middle of the rotation pitcher that had a lot of bad games when playing against the Reds.
Far too many scenarios to go through. Its easier for MLB to just blame Rose and be done with it.
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@Easy_Duhz_It__PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
I personally think Rose should still be in the HOF but saying "He bet on his team to WIN" has to be one of the stupidest attempts at reasoning i've seen in the forums. Betting for his team to win opens up a whole other can of worms and more investigations from MLB. Was Rose working with someone? Did he reach out to an opposing coach and offer a cut to bench a star player, pull an ace early or leave a bullpen arm in longer than he should? Maybe there was an opposing player who saw an increase in defensive errors when playing against Rose. A middle of the rotation pitcher that had a lot of bad games when playing against the Reds.
Far too many scenarios to go through. Its easier for MLB to just blame Rose and be done with it.
My brother in Christ, this investigation already happened. He even linked the 228 page court documents. You can answer every one of those questions yourself.
The "betting on his team to win" argument was literally used since the beginning. So saying it's the dummest shows your lack of understanding to the situation and what sports betting is. It doesn't open up any can of worms. It's literally the point a defense that he wasn't rigging games to win that he had influence over. If he believed his team could win he bet. If he didn't he didn't bet. He still played and played hard. He's the Hit King after all. Goodness gracious.
I really think you're just BJDUBBYAH alt account at this point with how often you come to my posts to argue with me. I'm flattered yet again though it's definitely one those pick on me cause you have a BIG crush. -
In the end it does not matter whether he bet for or against the Reds since the rule simply says you can't bet on baseball, period. He broke MLB's rules by betting on baseball and when caught he spent almost two decades denying it.
By betting on his own team he escalated the offense to a lifetime ban.
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@AdeptOfMemory_PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
It's literally the point a defense that he wasn't rigging games to win that he had influence over.
No, he was just rigging the games he didn't bet on by resting his stars.
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
@AdeptOfMemory_PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
It's literally the point a defense that he wasn't rigging games to win that he had influence over.
No, he was just rigging the games he didn't bet on by resting his stars.
This just in:
You're not allowed to rest good players. They have to play every game. -
If you're resting them because you've got a big series against the Yankees coming up, that's one thing.
If you're resting them because you didn't place a wager on today's game but you're doubling up tomorrow, that's another entirely.
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SDS please lock this post it has gotten out of hand
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@sbchamps17_NSW said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
SDS please lock this post it has gotten out of hand
You can literally turn notifications for a topic off. Chill out it's all still on topic. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's off topic. Go read another topic and mute this one. Be an adult.
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Where’s an honor to Pete Rose?!?!:
If you're resting them because you've got a big series against the Yankees coming up, that's one thing.
If you're resting them because you didn't place a wager on today's game but you're doubling up tomorrow, that's another entirely.
I understand what you're trying to say but my point is MLB just decides who they want to punish.
Apparently resting your players is a tip off to a gambling and rigging offense worthy of a ban but taking artificial substances to boost your performance isn't considered rigging so you get to stay in good standing.Idk why you have to hate on my points that are literally the same points that other people have used 15 to 20 years before I was even born. You don't seem to care about any of the hypocrisy from the MLB. Pete Rose was targeted and used as a message to other players but if you make enough money and take enough drugs you're totally fine to rig the game to your advantage. Sure you MIGHT get a slap on the wrists but, you'll still get to join the players union and make it into games and other forms of entertainment the MLB makes money on. May even have a HoF spot.
