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"They cheated by juicing and you're saying they are as good or better than the ones who didn't"
Those are YOUR words. What do they mean if not that steroid users weren't as good as non steroid users.
Comprehend that for me
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@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
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@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
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@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
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@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
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@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
It’s not contradictory, it was clear Bonds had better vision and bat to ball skills. He was a better hitter. All I was trying to say is we will never know what his HR numbers would’ve been without steroids but the guy was a dangerou[censored]ter regardless and would’ve had a great career even without the juice. Judge is amazing and I think anyone that was caught for steroids should have a mark against them but some guys are just clear HOFers and Bonds is one of them.
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@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
It’s not contradictory, it was clear Bonds had better vision and bat to ball skills. He was a better hitter. All I was trying to say is we will never know what his HR numbers would’ve been without steroids but the guy was a dangerou[censored]ter regardless and would’ve had a great career even without the juice. Judge is amazing and I think anyone that was caught for steroids should have a mark against them but some guys are just clear HOFers and Bonds is one of them.
Listen i hear you. I had the luxury of watching Bonds play. I was in the military stationed with Bonds roommate with Pirates, i've met him he is a great guy. But he chose a path in life it was the wrong path and that has consequences it's unfortunate but still a reality. And i will say one more thing, if he was so good naturally why get on juice in the first place?
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@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
It’s not contradictory, it was clear Bonds had better vision and bat to ball skills. He was a better hitter. All I was trying to say is we will never know what his HR numbers would’ve been without steroids but the guy was a dangerou[censored]ter regardless and would’ve had a great career even without the juice. Judge is amazing and I think anyone that was caught for steroids should have a mark against them but some guys are just clear HOFers and Bonds is one of them.
Listen i hear you. I had the luxury of watching Bonds play. I was in the military stationed with Bonds roommate with Pirates, i've met him he is a great guy. But he chose a path in life it was the wrong path ad that has consequences it's unfortunate but still a reality. And i will say one more thing, if he was so good naturally why get on juice in the first place?
There are millions of reasons. Doesn’t make any of them good reasons but it’s not hard to understand how someone, even someone who is the best at something feels overwhelming pressure to be even better.
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@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
And i will say one more thing, if he was so good naturally why get on juice in the first place?
This argument has been pretty well documented. Bonds saw the publicity (and endorsements and revenue and contracts) that McGwire and Sosa got for hitting dingers even as he was a better overall player. So he decided if that was what sold, he was going to sell it even more.
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@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
It’s not contradictory, it was clear Bonds had better vision and bat to ball skills. He was a better hitter. All I was trying to say is we will never know what his HR numbers would’ve been without steroids but the guy was a dangerou[censored]ter regardless and would’ve had a great career even without the juice. Judge is amazing and I think anyone that was caught for steroids should have a mark against them but some guys are just clear HOFers and Bonds is one of them.
Listen i hear you. I had the luxury of watching Bonds play. I was in the military stationed with Bonds roommate with Pirates, i've met him he is a great guy. But he chose a path in life it was the wrong path ad that has consequences it's unfortunate but still a reality. And i will say one more thing, if he was so good naturally why get on juice in the first place?
There are millions of reasons. Doesn’t make any of them good reasons but it’s not hard to understand how someone, even someone who is the best at something feels overwhelming pressure to be even better.
And that is where my comment about integrity i mentioned earlier comes into play. You can't go through life making desicions about things just willy nilly without thinking about what impact it will have and then question it after you have done it. You have to be content with the outcome b/c you made the decision of said path.
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@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
It’s not contradictory, it was clear Bonds had better vision and bat to ball skills. He was a better hitter. All I was trying to say is we will never know what his HR numbers would’ve been without steroids but the guy was a dangerou[censored]ter regardless and would’ve had a great career even without the juice. Judge is amazing and I think anyone that was caught for steroids should have a mark against them but some guys are just clear HOFers and Bonds is one of them.
Listen i hear you. I had the luxury of watching Bonds play. I was in the military stationed with Bonds roommate with Pirates, i've met him he is a great guy. But he chose a path in life it was the wrong path ad that has consequences it's unfortunate but still a reality. And i will say one more thing, if he was so good naturally why get on juice in the first place?
There are millions of reasons. Doesn’t make any of them good reasons but it’s not hard to understand how someone, even someone who is the best at something feels overwhelming pressure to be even better.
And that is where my comment about integrity i mentioned earlier comes into play. You can't go through life making desicions about things just willy nilly without thinking about what impact it will have and then question it after you have done it. You have to be content with the outcome b/c you made the decision of said path.
You’re minimizing it too much. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth but it sounds like you think he just woke up one day out of the blue and decided screw it im doing steroids. Like SaveFarris said, he saw the other lesser players making more money and probably thought about his family and his financial future on top of some of it probably selfishly wanting to be the best. Not every decision is black and white.
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@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
It’s not contradictory, it was clear Bonds had better vision and bat to ball skills. He was a better hitter. All I was trying to say is we will never know what his HR numbers would’ve been without steroids but the guy was a dangerou[censored]ter regardless and would’ve had a great career even without the juice. Judge is amazing and I think anyone that was caught for steroids should have a mark against them but some guys are just clear HOFers and Bonds is one of them.
Listen i hear you. I had the luxury of watching Bonds play. I was in the military stationed with Bonds roommate with Pirates, i've met him he is a great guy. But he chose a path in life it was the wrong path ad that has consequences it's unfortunate but still a reality. And i will say one more thing, if he was so good naturally why get on juice in the first place?
There are millions of reasons. Doesn’t make any of them good reasons but it’s not hard to understand how someone, even someone who is the best at something feels overwhelming pressure to be even better.
And that is where my comment about integrity i mentioned earlier comes into play. You can't go through life making desicions about things just willy nilly without thinking about what impact it will have and then question it after you have done it. You have to be content with the outcome b/c you made the decision of said path.
You’re minimizing it too much. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth but it sounds like you think he just woke up one day out of the blue and decided screw it im doing steroids. Like SaveFarris said, he saw the other lesser players making more money and probably thought about his family and his financial future on top of some of it probably selfishly wanting to be the best. Not every decision is black and white.
No i do not think he just woke up one day and just started juicing. Which also proves my point even more. How long was he juicing? Therefore was he really that good to begin with? It doesn't matter juicing is cheating and no type of cheating should ever be allowed or rewarded that is my stance take it however you want. I just feel strong about this type of thing in all sports.
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@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@kovz88_MLBTS said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@CCARR77_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
@GrizzBear55_PSN said in Stream Schedule:
I swear the reading comprehension on this forum is the worst i have ever seen. Must be a bunch of teens and early 20's dope smokers on here.
Add in a bunch of red hat grandpas who love to watch minorities play ball
They are not minorities! They are Americans playing Americas game grow up! Stop being a bag that a womens feminine product comes in.
Americans playing Americas game who happen to be minorities. Both can be true. Also the argument that a guy is instantly better than someone because they didn’t use steroids is just dumb. Bonds was better than Judge as a hitter period, would’ve been without steroids but unfortunately we will never know because he used them. Anyone that watched Bonds it was obvious how good he was, steroids might help with your strength but it’s not gonna increase your eyes or reflexes or ability to put the bat on the ball.
With all due respect, that is a contradiction. You can't say Bonds was better than Judge, and then say "wouldv'e been without steroids but we will never know?" So it is your Opinion basically.
I don't believe i ever said Judge was instantly better than anyone anyway, my arguement was he and others that didn't use deserves to be in the HOF if they stay on the same path they are on before any of those steroid users are inducted because they accomplished the feat without juice.
It’s not contradictory, it was clear Bonds had better vision and bat to ball skills. He was a better hitter. All I was trying to say is we will never know what his HR numbers would’ve been without steroids but the guy was a dangerou[censored]ter regardless and would’ve had a great career even without the juice. Judge is amazing and I think anyone that was caught for steroids should have a mark against them but some guys are just clear HOFers and Bonds is one of them.
Listen i hear you. I had the luxury of watching Bonds play. I was in the military stationed with Bonds roommate with Pirates, i've met him he is a great guy. But he chose a path in life it was the wrong path ad that has consequences it's unfortunate but still a reality. And i will say one more thing, if he was so good naturally why get on juice in the first place?
There are millions of reasons. Doesn’t make any of them good reasons but it’s not hard to understand how someone, even someone who is the best at something feels overwhelming pressure to be even better.
And that is where my comment about integrity i mentioned earlier comes into play. You can't go through life making desicions about things just willy nilly without thinking about what impact it will have and then question it after you have done it. You have to be content with the outcome b/c you made the decision of said path.
You’re minimizing it too much. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth but it sounds like you think he just woke up one day out of the blue and decided screw it im doing steroids. Like SaveFarris said, he saw the other lesser players making more money and probably thought about his family and his financial future on top of some of it probably selfishly wanting to be the best. Not every decision is black and white.
No i do not think he just woke up one day and just started juicing. Which also proves my point even more. How long was he juicing? Therefore was he really that good to begin with? It doesn't matter juicing is cheating and no type of cheating should ever be allowed or rewarded that is my stance take it however you want. I just feel strong about this type of thing in all sports.
Look man, the only reason I care is because of how hypocritical the league is. If the league wasn’t basically encouraging cheating then I would have no problem with them dropping the hammer now but it’s pretty hypocritical to turn a blind eye and rake in the money and then years later try to take these guys over the coals and make them out to be the bad guys. League should’ve stepped in during the Sosa McGwire HR race if they really cared about steroids.
