Judge is the GOAT?
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He’s not anywhere near the GOAT he has had an amazing year but this is literally the only his 3rd season playing more than 140 games and he just turned 30. If there was an over under line of 3 more seasons of a 140 games for the rest of his career I’d slap all my money on the under
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@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@SchnauzerFace_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I love Judge and I hope he wins the triple crown. His HR chase has been very good for baseball. He and Pujols have managed to take a little focus off the Tatis story, so that's very good. But even with the insane season he's having, I still would lean toward Ohtani for MVP. Obviously he's having a great season on both sides of the ball. And the ripple effect of only having to use one roster spot for an ace and a DH is nuts. That means you can have an extra starter to stretch out your rotation, or carry a 3rd catcher, or have a Terence Gore type player on the bench whose only job is to steal bags. That kind of roster flexibility is something no one else in the league can provide.
And to put it further into perspective, Ohtani is having a very, very comparable offensive year to Austin Riley, and he also has very comparable pitching numbers to Alek Manoah (though Manoah does have 35 more IP, which is a big deal). So he really does have the value of two all-star players. Judge is having an absolutely nutso year and will almost certainly win the MVP, but I don't think Ohtani should be forgotten (even if his team could end up in 4th place).
I’m with you bro! I don’t give a [censored] what the Judge discipline say! Any year you have a player have a sub 2.50 era with over 25 starts AND drop 35 bombs, I mean I’m sorry. I could see if everyone was doing it but……NOBODY is doing it! Nobody has EVER done it! I never thought I’d say I don’t care that Judge is gonna win the triple crown……but I don’t!
It’s the most VALUABLE player, not the most UNIQUE player, so why would the award not go to the player who produced the most value? Judge has an 1.100 ops- that’s good for a 217 ops+ he’s having a historically amazing season. I get that Ohtani is too- I just don’t think Ohtani should win the MVP every season he stays healthy, just bc no one else is doing what he’s doing.
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I do kinda miss the days when the MVP was based partly on how competitive the team is.
Based on his skill set, Ohtani is the best player in the game. But the Angels still aren't going to the playoffs with or without him.
Judge is the engine behind a playoff team and is having a top 10 all time offensive season. -
I have dominated with all of his cards... I cannot wait for his Finest
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@NCStateHokie_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I guess people just enjoying saying or typing the word GOAT. It gets thrown around WAY too often. Judge is having a heck of a season but the dude is 30 and only in his 7th season. He's not even in the discussion yet.
absolutely mate
just like the word 'genius' these days - apple ruined it for all of us
now you have ppl thinking they are super smart bc of hints of autism
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As others have said, Judge is a great player and deserving of MVP in a world where Shohei doesn’t exist. However, he does exist. As long as Ohtani keeps putting up numbers like this he gets my nonexistent vote for MVP every year.
I just hope the Cubs don’t sign Judge to the ridiculous contract he deserves and they also don’t trade their entire future for Ohtani. Bring on Bogaerts and Rodon, though!
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Yeah, sure. He's in a contract year. Good for him. It just seems like all these players play great in a contract year, then they suck after. But we'll see.
Signed, a bitter Nats fan.
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@TheHungryHole said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@NCStateHokie_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I guess people just enjoying saying or typing the word GOAT. It gets thrown around WAY too often. Judge is having a heck of a season but the dude is 30 and only in his 7th season. He's not even in the discussion yet.
absolutely mate
just like the word 'genius' these days - apple ruined it for all of us
now you have ppl thinking they are super smart bc of hints of autism
Hey, genius, Don’t know if you know this, but being autistic and being super smart aren’t mutually exclusive. Throwing the word autism around in a negative connotation isn’t a very intelligent way to make your weak point that Apple “ruined” the word, “genius,” for “all of us.”
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@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@SchnauzerFace_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I love Judge and I hope he wins the triple crown. His HR chase has been very good for baseball. He and Pujols have managed to take a little focus off the Tatis story, so that's very good. But even with the insane season he's having, I still would lean toward Ohtani for MVP. Obviously he's having a great season on both sides of the ball. And the ripple effect of only having to use one roster spot for an ace and a DH is nuts. That means you can have an extra starter to stretch out your rotation, or carry a 3rd catcher, or have a Terence Gore type player on the bench whose only job is to steal bags. That kind of roster flexibility is something no one else in the league can provide.
And to put it further into perspective, Ohtani is having a very, very comparable offensive year to Austin Riley, and he also has very comparable pitching numbers to Alek Manoah (though Manoah does have 35 more IP, which is a big deal). So he really does have the value of two all-star players. Judge is having an absolutely nutso year and will almost certainly win the MVP, but I don't think Ohtani should be forgotten (even if his team could end up in 4th place).
I’m with you bro! I don’t give a [censored] what the Judge discipline say! Any year you have a player have a sub 2.50 era with over 25 starts AND drop 35 bombs, I mean I’m sorry. I could see if everyone was doing it but……NOBODY is doing it! Nobody has EVER done it! I never thought I’d say I don’t care that Judge is gonna win the triple crown……but I don’t!
It’s the most VALUABLE player, not the most UNIQUE player, so why would the award not go to the player who produced the most value? Judge has an 1.100 ops- that’s good for a 217 ops+ he’s having a historically amazing season. I get that Ohtani is too- I just don’t think Ohtani should win the MVP every season he stays healthy, just bc no one else is doing what he’s doing.
So it’s kinda like the “Jordan Rule”, right? Everyone knew MJ was the MVP every single year he was healthy and dropping 30/game. But we can’t give it to him every year just cuz he’s the best right?
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@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@SchnauzerFace_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I love Judge and I hope he wins the triple crown. His HR chase has been very good for baseball. He and Pujols have managed to take a little focus off the Tatis story, so that's very good. But even with the insane season he's having, I still would lean toward Ohtani for MVP. Obviously he's having a great season on both sides of the ball. And the ripple effect of only having to use one roster spot for an ace and a DH is nuts. That means you can have an extra starter to stretch out your rotation, or carry a 3rd catcher, or have a Terence Gore type player on the bench whose only job is to steal bags. That kind of roster flexibility is something no one else in the league can provide.
And to put it further into perspective, Ohtani is having a very, very comparable offensive year to Austin Riley, and he also has very comparable pitching numbers to Alek Manoah (though Manoah does have 35 more IP, which is a big deal). So he really does have the value of two all-star players. Judge is having an absolutely nutso year and will almost certainly win the MVP, but I don't think Ohtani should be forgotten (even if his team could end up in 4th place).
I’m with you bro! I don’t give a [censored] what the Judge discipline say! Any year you have a player have a sub 2.50 era with over 25 starts AND drop 35 bombs, I mean I’m sorry. I could see if everyone was doing it but……NOBODY is doing it! Nobody has EVER done it! I never thought I’d say I don’t care that Judge is gonna win the triple crown……but I don’t!
It’s the most VALUABLE player, not the most UNIQUE player, so why would the award not go to the player who produced the most value? Judge has an 1.100 ops- that’s good for a 217 ops+ he’s having a historically amazing season. I get that Ohtani is too- I just don’t think Ohtani should win the MVP every season he stays healthy, just bc no one else is doing what he’s doing.
So it’s kinda like the “Jordan Rule”, right? Everyone knew MJ was the MVP every single year he was healthy and dropping 30/game. But we can’t give it to him every year just cuz he’s the best right?
No, if Shohei is the most valuable every year according to WAR, he should win it, but if another player has a better year, like this year with Judge, then Shohei shouldn’t win it just bc he pitches and hits at a high level.
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@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@TheHungryHole said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@NCStateHokie_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I guess people just enjoying saying or typing the word GOAT. It gets thrown around WAY too often. Judge is having a heck of a season but the dude is 30 and only in his 7th season. He's not even in the discussion yet.
absolutely mate
just like the word 'genius' these days - apple ruined it for all of us
now you have ppl thinking they are super smart bc of hints of autism
Hey, genius, Don’t know if you know this, but being autistic and being super smart aren’t mutually exclusive. Throwing the word autism around in a negative connotation isn’t a very intelligent way to make your weak point that Apple “ruined” the word, “genius,” for “all of us.”
oh i am very well aware they aren't tied - and you are the one describing it as negative - so don't play Mother Theresa with me here you clown
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Judge will and should win the MVP, IF Ohtani was in line to win a triple crown for Pitching then I would say Ohtani. Judge historic season deserves MVP. Judge is playing for a playoff team and the Angel just straight out suck with two of the best players in baseball.
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@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@SchnauzerFace_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I love Judge and I hope he wins the triple crown. His HR chase has been very good for baseball. He and Pujols have managed to take a little focus off the Tatis story, so that's very good. But even with the insane season he's having, I still would lean toward Ohtani for MVP. Obviously he's having a great season on both sides of the ball. And the ripple effect of only having to use one roster spot for an ace and a DH is nuts. That means you can have an extra starter to stretch out your rotation, or carry a 3rd catcher, or have a Terence Gore type player on the bench whose only job is to steal bags. That kind of roster flexibility is something no one else in the league can provide.
And to put it further into perspective, Ohtani is having a very, very comparable offensive year to Austin Riley, and he also has very comparable pitching numbers to Alek Manoah (though Manoah does have 35 more IP, which is a big deal). So he really does have the value of two all-star players. Judge is having an absolutely nutso year and will almost certainly win the MVP, but I don't think Ohtani should be forgotten (even if his team could end up in 4th place).
I’m with you bro! I don’t give a [censored] what the Judge discipline say! Any year you have a player have a sub 2.50 era with over 25 starts AND drop 35 bombs, I mean I’m sorry. I could see if everyone was doing it but……NOBODY is doing it! Nobody has EVER done it! I never thought I’d say I don’t care that Judge is gonna win the triple crown……but I don’t!
It’s the most VALUABLE player, not the most UNIQUE player, so why would the award not go to the player who produced the most value? Judge has an 1.100 ops- that’s good for a 217 ops+ he’s having a historically amazing season. I get that Ohtani is too- I just don’t think Ohtani should win the MVP every season he stays healthy, just bc no one else is doing what he’s doing.
So it’s kinda like the “Jordan Rule”, right? Everyone knew MJ was the MVP every single year he was healthy and dropping 30/game. But we can’t give it to him every year just cuz he’s the best right?
No, if Shohei is the most valuable every year according to WAR, he should win it, but if another player has a better year, like this year with Judge, then Shohei shouldn’t win it just bc he pitches and hits at a high level.
I think this debate is like todays political climate. It’s very divided. If the award went to the player that’s “most valuable” every year, then I would agree with you sir. Over the years the voters have been inconsistent.
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@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@mjfc_363_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@SchnauzerFace_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I love Judge and I hope he wins the triple crown. His HR chase has been very good for baseball. He and Pujols have managed to take a little focus off the Tatis story, so that's very good. But even with the insane season he's having, I still would lean toward Ohtani for MVP. Obviously he's having a great season on both sides of the ball. And the ripple effect of only having to use one roster spot for an ace and a DH is nuts. That means you can have an extra starter to stretch out your rotation, or carry a 3rd catcher, or have a Terence Gore type player on the bench whose only job is to steal bags. That kind of roster flexibility is something no one else in the league can provide.
And to put it further into perspective, Ohtani is having a very, very comparable offensive year to Austin Riley, and he also has very comparable pitching numbers to Alek Manoah (though Manoah does have 35 more IP, which is a big deal). So he really does have the value of two all-star players. Judge is having an absolutely nutso year and will almost certainly win the MVP, but I don't think Ohtani should be forgotten (even if his team could end up in 4th place).
I’m with you bro! I don’t give a [censored] what the Judge discipline say! Any year you have a player have a sub 2.50 era with over 25 starts AND drop 35 bombs, I mean I’m sorry. I could see if everyone was doing it but……NOBODY is doing it! Nobody has EVER done it! I never thought I’d say I don’t care that Judge is gonna win the triple crown……but I don’t!
It’s the most VALUABLE player, not the most UNIQUE player, so why would the award not go to the player who produced the most value? Judge has an 1.100 ops- that’s good for a 217 ops+ he’s having a historically amazing season. I get that Ohtani is too- I just don’t think Ohtani should win the MVP every season he stays healthy, just bc no one else is doing what he’s doing.
So it’s kinda like the “Jordan Rule”, right? Everyone knew MJ was the MVP every single year he was healthy and dropping 30/game. But we can’t give it to him every year just cuz he’s the best right?
No, if Shohei is the most valuable every year according to WAR, he should win it, but if another player has a better year, like this year with Judge, then Shohei shouldn’t win it just bc he pitches and hits at a high level.
I think this debate is like todays political climate. It’s very divided. If the award went to the player that’s “most valuable” every year, then I would agree with you sir. Over the years the voters have been inconsistent.
absolutely mate
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@TheHungryHole said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@Possum80_MLBTS said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@TheHungryHole said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@NCStateHokie_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
I guess people just enjoying saying or typing the word GOAT. It gets thrown around WAY too often. Judge is having a heck of a season but the dude is 30 and only in his 7th season. He's not even in the discussion yet.
absolutely mate
just like the word 'genius' these days - apple ruined it for all of us
now you have ppl thinking they are super smart bc of hints of autism
Hey, genius, Don’t know if you know this, but being autistic and being super smart aren’t mutually exclusive. Throwing the word autism around in a negative connotation isn’t a very intelligent way to make your weak point that Apple “ruined” the word, “genius,” for “all of us.”
oh i am very well aware they aren't tied - and you are the one describing it as negative - so don't play Mother Theresa with me here you clown
Ok bud, go ahead and back track.
Nothing I’ve said on this subject can be reasonably interpreted as negative. do you think mutually exclusive means the same thing as “tied”?
I’m starting to think that you might be too dull to understand why your statement is offensive or to understand anything I say in response to it.
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@NCStateHokie_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
You have to think the Yanks being in the playoffs and winning the division will play some role in the MVP race. Who adds more value to their team? If you take Judge off the Yankees where are they this season? If you take Shohei off the Angels where are they?
Yeah but I hate using win lose records. What if Judge played on the Pirates instead of the Yankees but he still won the triple crown? Would you penalize him for playing on a terrible team? Its not like Judge can hit every at bat and pitch every game. Generally speaking players on good teams have it easier. They have people on base ahead of them for RBIs and they have good hitters behind them so pitchers can't walk them everytime up. Judge has definitely helped the Yankees with this year but its not like he is their only Allstar or above average replacement player.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Judge is the GOAT?:
And to put it further into perspective, Ohtani is having a very, very comparable offensive year to Austin Riley, and he also has very comparable pitching numbers to Alek Manoah (though Manoah does have 35 more IP, which is a big deal). So he really does have the value of two all-star players. Judge is having an absolutely nutso year and will almost certainly win the MVP, but I don't think Ohtani should be forgotten (even if his team could end up in 4th place).
If Ohtani wins MVP with the year Judge is having, they should just make a separate award for Shohei. Ohtani is a phenomenal talent and we will never see anything like him again, but Judge is probably going to break the non-juiced single season homerun record. Judge is having one of the best non Bonds or Ruth offensive seasons ever. It's just really not fair to anyone if they just give the MVP to Ohtani every year. Hall of fame voters don't give 2 spits about who wins the Hank Aaron award. Ohtani might literally be taking some guys out of the hall just for existing. (Not saying Judge is a hall of famer per se, just that if Ohtani does this for 10 years and wins 9 or 10 MVP awards, he's weakening other players HOF' cases)
How do we know there is no juice involved. I agree Judge probably isn't taking performance enhancing drugs but the baseball has changed several time in recent years. The issue that I have with it is that since he is a Yankee you will hear about it forever, especially here in my area of NJ which sucks. If it was someone on say Tampa Bay or or the A's you would hear crickets. Look at Stanton he hit 59 before he became a Yankee and barely heard anything.
They have been messing with the ball for atleast the past 4 years. Sosa hit 60 HR 3 different times either juiced or corked bat and you didn't hear anything about it except 98 because he never broke the HR record of 70 or in 2001 73.
Judge isn't going to break the 73 HR in a season mark so why are we hearing so much about hitting 60 HR. An AL record please come off it the dude has walked 94 times and struck out 160 times. The year bonds hit 73 he had 177 walks and 94 strikeouts.
Jude is a good player having a great season he has played over 115 games 3 times in his career. He should have been in the HRD instead of wimping out.
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@dbarmonstar_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
Judge will and should win the MVP, IF Ohtani was in line to win a triple crown for Pitching then I would say Ohtani. Judge historic season deserves MVP. Judge is playing for a playoff team and the Angel just straight out suck with two of the best players in baseball.
Only reason Yankees are in playoff position is because of judge look at the rest of the team. Judge has almost half the teams HR and the only person hitting above .270 Yankees will fall in the Division series.
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@Boneman05_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
@dbarmonstar_PSN said in Judge is the GOAT?:
Judge will and should win the MVP, IF Ohtani was in line to win a triple crown for Pitching then I would say Ohtani. Judge historic season deserves MVP. Judge is playing for a playoff team and the Angel just straight out suck with two of the best players in baseball.
Only reason Yankees are in playoff position is because of judge look at the rest of the team. Judge has almost half the teams HR and the only person hitting above .270 Yankees will fall in the Division series.
Exactly why Judge deserves the MVP he is have one of the greatest season in the last 20 years. The Angels have Trout and Othani two of the best players in Baseball and they still can not even make the Wild card.
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I think future generations will be baffled that we did not recognize Bonds as the “GOAT.” He needs to be in the HOF
