So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?
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Aren't they the same age though?
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@chuck_dizzle29 said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
In the real world. I have watched and played baseball since the 70's. Cabrera and Pujols are two of the best hitters I have ever seen.
Jeter would have been nothing had he not played in NY. One of the most over-rated players ever. Wasn't even the best SS on his own team. A-Rod was a far superior defensive player.
Not in his own division. Nomar was far better. If you don't know this, your baseball knowledge is severely lacking.Pretty sure his defense has nothing to do with his ability as a hitter but ok. Everyone chiming in here with their BS opinion about Pujols being "far superior" and no one has provided a single statistic to support that statement. And im talking actual batting statistics....not the stat nerd "what-if" numbers. ACTUAL statistics.
Where are the stats you have to support your statement? It's not other people's job to prove you wrong when you didn't provide a single shred of evidence lol.
Tell me you didnt read the previous posts without telling me you didnt read the previous posts. But i'll humor and post actual statistics.
ABs :
Jeter - 11,195
Pujols - 11,204Runs :
Jeter - 1923
Pujols - 1883Hits :
Jeter - 3465
Pujols - 3320Doubles :
Jeter - 544
Pujols - 674Triples :
Jeter - 66
Pujols - 16Batting Average :
Jeter - .310
Pujols -.296OBP :
Jeter - .377
Pujols - .375Again, we all know Pujols has the power numbers so im not gonna bother there....but im still waiting for someone to show me the part where he is a "far superior" hitter in something other than power stats and GDP. Also, in the real world when someone makes a statement its usually up to them to support their statement. Ive asked multiple times to see examples but all they seem to do is say dumb [censored] like "durrr are u not olds enough to 'member this?"
And no idgaf about the BS "this stat adjusted for weather, ballpark size, pitchers throwing mechanics and crowd size" make believe nerd stats
So you set the parameters and what stats you are willing to accept. Confirmation bias, it's not worth anyone's time 🤪.
I'll humor for the sake of fun.
Albert Pujols is a 3 time MVP and a career bWAR of 99.4 to Jeter's 71.3. The production isn't even close despite the few stats you cherry picked, and they are miniscule. Jeter's best seasons offensively are ho hum compared to Albert.
Yea so Albert got zapped by injuries, but if you break down their primes, Albert was beating Jeter's brains out in every stat except triples and steals. More hits, more doubles, more HRs, higher OBP, higher Slug.
Heck Pujols has never struck out more than 93 times in a season. Jeter struck out over 100 times in 9 different seasons. For 10 straight season Albert had more BBs than strikeouts.
It was a bloodbath, flawless victory.
I cherry picked stats but you're gonna play the "what if" game and focus on 10 seasons. lol ok.
Again, i never said Jeter was better or "far superior" but y'all really sitting here acting like Jeter wasnt a great hitter..
It's totally ok to let the "i hate the Yankees" BS go for a minute and admit you would have taken him in your lineup 7 days a week.
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I never thought I'd see the day that someone was mad about not getting another Paul Goldschmidt diamond card. He is quite literally the Tom Glavine of hitters when it comes to how many different variations of cards he has received over the years and continues to receive. Although, I will say that I see no point to that 91 OVR card that just dropped awhile back. His Live Series is much better with the "active" Perks and Inside Edge.
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@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
In the real world. I have watched and played baseball since the 70's. Cabrera and Pujols are two of the best hitters I have ever seen.
Jeter would have been nothing had he not played in NY. One of the most over-rated players ever. Wasn't even the best SS on his own team. A-Rod was a far superior defensive player.
Not in his own division. Nomar was far better. If you don't know this, your baseball knowledge is severely lacking.Pretty sure his defense has nothing to do with his ability as a hitter but ok. Everyone chiming in here with their BS opinion about Pujols being "far superior" and no one has provided a single statistic to support that statement. And im talking actual batting statistics....not the stat nerd "what-if" numbers. ACTUAL statistics.
Where are the stats you have to support your statement? It's not other people's job to prove you wrong when you didn't provide a single shred of evidence lol.
Tell me you didnt read the previous posts without telling me you didnt read the previous posts. But i'll humor and post actual statistics.
ABs :
Jeter - 11,195
Pujols - 11,204Runs :
Jeter - 1923
Pujols - 1883Hits :
Jeter - 3465
Pujols - 3320Doubles :
Jeter - 544
Pujols - 674Triples :
Jeter - 66
Pujols - 16Batting Average :
Jeter - .310
Pujols -.296OBP :
Jeter - .377
Pujols - .375Again, we all know Pujols has the power numbers so im not gonna bother there....but im still waiting for someone to show me the part where he is a "far superior" hitter in something other than power stats and GDP. Also, in the real world when someone makes a statement its usually up to them to support their statement. Ive asked multiple times to see examples but all they seem to do is say dumb [censored] like "durrr are u not olds enough to 'member this?"
And no idgaf about the BS "this stat adjusted for weather, ballpark size, pitchers throwing mechanics and crowd size" make believe nerd stats
So you set the parameters and what stats you are willing to accept. Confirmation bias, it's not worth anyone's time 🤪.
I'll humor for the sake of fun.
Albert Pujols is a 3 time MVP and a career bWAR of 99.4 to Jeter's 71.3. The production isn't even close despite the few stats you cherry picked, and they are miniscule. Jeter's best seasons offensively are ho hum compared to Albert.
Yea so Albert got zapped by injuries, but if you break down their primes, Albert was beating Jeter's brains out in every stat except triples and steals. More hits, more doubles, more HRs, higher OBP, higher Slug.
Heck Pujols has never struck out more than 93 times in a season. Jeter struck out over 100 times in 9 different seasons. For 10 straight season Albert had more BBs than strikeouts.
It was a bloodbath, flawless victory.
I cherry picked stats but you're gonna play the "what if" game and focus on 10 seasons. lol ok.
Again, i never said Jeter was better or "far superior" but y'all really sitting here acting like Jeter wasnt a great hitter..
It's totally ok to let the "i hate the Yankees" BS go for a minute and admit you would have taken him in your lineup 7 days a week.
You definitely said Albert wasn't that much better of a hitter than Jeter. In your bubble, that may be partially true. However you can't ignore specific numbers to support your claim. It's a pretty big deal for the majority of their careers Albert was outpacing Jeter in all those offensive categories you hold near and dear.
You just keep flipping this around. First it was "Albert wasn't that much better than Jeter, here's no evidence to support my opinion". Then naturally you lash out at everyone with opposing opinions for not producing evidence, despite you doing the same thing. Now you've pidgeoned holed yourself into only looking at stats you want to look at.
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@bodamescapeplan said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
I never thought I'd see the day that someone was mad about not getting another Paul Goldschmidt diamond card. He is quite literally the Tom Glavine of hitters when it comes to how many different variations of cards he has received over the years and continues to receive. Although, I will say that I see no point to that 91 OVR card that just dropped awhile back. His Live Series is much better with the "active" Perks and Inside Edge.
The 17 Cedric Mullins cards last year set a bad precedent.
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@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
I honestly couldn't care less. I'm a jays fan while it was nice to see Roy added to the game this year i couldn't really care less what cards they get.
The only card I actually look forward to every year is a usable Griffey but other than that it doesn't affect me one way or another if players for the Jays get cards or upgrades.
To each their own.
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There are 3 people in the history of baseball with these numbers: 3,000+ hits, 650+ HRs, 2,000+ RBIs. 3!!!!!
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Albert PujolsThat's in addition to 3 MVPs, a Batting Title, 2 World Championships, 2 gold gloves, over 674 doubles, 1883 runs scored etc etc.
Jeter was amazing, and I agree we don't need to throw around the far superior moniker between 2 1st ballot HOFers.
Pujols had the most dominant decade in baseball history. Only hitter ever to have a .300+ avg, 30 + HRs, 100 RBIs for 10 straight years. And he missed the 11th by 1 RBI.
Yes, he then declined with Anaheim as almost everyone does after playing 140+ games 11 years in a row. But he was still productive. He still had 40+ HR and 100+ RBI seasons
Top 10 hitter in baseball history....without question.
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@ericulous1_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
There are 3 people in the history of baseball with these numbers: 3,000+ hits, 650+ HRs, 2,000+ RBIs. 3!!!!!
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Albert PujolsThat's in addition to 3 MVPs, a Batting Title, 2 World Championships, 2 gold gloves, over 674 doubles, 1883 runs scored etc etc.
Jeter was amazing, and I agree we don't need to throw around the far superior moniker between 2 1st ballot HOFers.
Pujols had the most dominant decade in baseball history. Only hitter ever to have a .300+ avg, 30 + HRs, 100 RBIs for 10 straight years. And he missed the 11th by 1 RBI.
Yes, he then declined with Anaheim as almost everyone does after playing 140+ games 11 years in a row. But he was still productive. He still had 40+ HR and 100+ RBI seasons
Top 10 hitter in baseball history....without question.
Imagine if he was actually the age he claims to be. Guy is clearly in his mid-50's right now.
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@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@chuck_dizzle29 said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
In the real world. I have watched and played baseball since the 70's. Cabrera and Pujols are two of the best hitters I have ever seen.
Jeter would have been nothing had he not played in NY. One of the most over-rated players ever. Wasn't even the best SS on his own team. A-Rod was a far superior defensive player.
Not in his own division. Nomar was far better. If you don't know this, your baseball knowledge is severely lacking.Pretty sure his defense has nothing to do with his ability as a hitter but ok. Everyone chiming in here with their BS opinion about Pujols being "far superior" and no one has provided a single statistic to support that statement. And im talking actual batting statistics....not the stat nerd "what-if" numbers. ACTUAL statistics.
Where are the stats you have to support your statement? It's not other people's job to prove you wrong when you didn't provide a single shred of evidence lol.
Tell me you didnt read the previous posts without telling me you didnt read the previous posts. But i'll humor and post actual statistics.
ABs :
Jeter - 11,195
Pujols - 11,204Runs :
Jeter - 1923
Pujols - 1883Hits :
Jeter - 3465
Pujols - 3320Doubles :
Jeter - 544
Pujols - 674Triples :
Jeter - 66
Pujols - 16Batting Average :
Jeter - .310
Pujols -.296OBP :
Jeter - .377
Pujols - .375Again, we all know Pujols has the power numbers so im not gonna bother there....but im still waiting for someone to show me the part where he is a "far superior" hitter in something other than power stats and GDP. Also, in the real world when someone makes a statement its usually up to them to support their statement. Ive asked multiple times to see examples but all they seem to do is say dumb [censored] like "durrr are u not olds enough to 'member this?"
And no idgaf about the BS "this stat adjusted for weather, ballpark size, pitchers throwing mechanics and crowd size" make believe nerd stats
So you set the parameters and what stats you are willing to accept. Confirmation bias, it's not worth anyone's time 🤪.
I'll humor for the sake of fun.
Albert Pujols is a 3 time MVP and a career bWAR of 99.4 to Jeter's 71.3. The production isn't even close despite the few stats you cherry picked, and they are miniscule. Jeter's best seasons offensively are ho hum compared to Albert.
Yea so Albert got zapped by injuries, but if you break down their primes, Albert was beating Jeter's brains out in every stat except triples and steals. More hits, more doubles, more HRs, higher OBP, higher Slug.
Heck Pujols has never struck out more than 93 times in a season. Jeter struck out over 100 times in 9 different seasons. For 10 straight season Albert had more BBs than strikeouts.
It was a bloodbath, flawless victory.
I cherry picked stats but you're gonna play the "what if" game and focus on 10 seasons. lol ok.
Again, i never said Jeter was better or "far superior" but y'all really sitting here acting like Jeter wasnt a great hitter..
It's totally ok to let the "i hate the Yankees" BS go for a minute and admit you would have taken him in your lineup 7 days a week.
Of course, anyone would have taken Jeter in their line-up. That's not the argument, quit moving the goal posts. But he is not in Albert's league man.
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@suntlacrimae50_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@ericulous1_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
There are 3 people in the history of baseball with these numbers: 3,000+ hits, 650+ HRs, 2,000+ RBIs. 3!!!!!
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Albert PujolsThat's in addition to 3 MVPs, a Batting Title, 2 World Championships, 2 gold gloves, over 674 doubles, 1883 runs scored etc etc.
Jeter was amazing, and I agree we don't need to throw around the far superior moniker between 2 1st ballot HOFers.
Pujols had the most dominant decade in baseball history. Only hitter ever to have a .300+ avg, 30 + HRs, 100 RBIs for 10 straight years. And he missed the 11th by 1 RBI.
Yes, he then declined with Anaheim as almost everyone does after playing 140+ games 11 years in a row. But he was still productive. He still had 40+ HR and 100+ RBI seasons
Top 10 hitter in baseball history....without question.
Imagine if he was actually the age he claims to be. Guy is clearly in his mid-50's right now.
Hahaha, true story
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@ericulous1_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
Jeter was amazing, and I agree we don't need to throw around the far superior moniker between 2 1st ballot HOFers.
And thats all i been trying to say. Saying "far superior" is ridiculous in regards to 2 guys that were great at what they did. Far superior is for talking about the difference between a first ballot HOFer and a career journeyman bench player.
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@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
Someday when your grandkids are asking if you ever saw Pujols play, be sure to tell them that you wasted the opportunities, because an average shortstop from NY was better.
You prove the OPs point, market creates a false sense of value. Trout is the only current player that MIGHT match Alberts numbers by the end of his career. I’m guessing you’re under the age of 30, and have no idea what Pujols did in his career.
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@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
I forgot, market size over production
He probably getting a high diamond flashback eventually
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@lucas8181_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
Someday when your grandkids are asking if you ever saw Pujols play, be sure to tell them that you wasted the opportunities, because an average shortstop from NY was better.
You prove the OPs point, market creates a false sense of value. Trout is the only current player that MIGHT match Alberts numbers by the end of his career. I’m guessing you’re under the age of 30, and have no idea what Pujols did in his career.
Are you retarded? Wtf does market size have to do with Jeters ability to hit? Are you really suggesting that if he played in Tampa or Oakland, he wouldn't have over 3400 hits?
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@lucas8181_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
Someday when your grandkids are asking if you ever saw Pujols play, be sure to tell them that you wasted the opportunities, because an average shortstop from NY was better.
While I am known as one of the bigger Cardinal homers on this forum by some and while I am a big Pujols fan, I don't think I would ever call Jeter "average"
Average players don't have 20 year careers, have 3000 plus hits, have a .310 career batting average, wins Rookie Of The Year, is among the top 10 MVP vote getters in 8 separate seasons, and is a 5 time gold glove winner.
Even if you take away half those accomplishment he is still way better than "average". And I say this as someone who hated the Yankees during Jeter's playing days.
Do I believe he is better or more Iconic than Pujols? No. But if you can't dismiss his accompishments
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@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@lucas8181_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
Someday when your grandkids are asking if you ever saw Pujols play, be sure to tell them that you wasted the opportunities, because an average shortstop from NY was better.
While I am known as one of the bigger Cardinal homers on this forum by some and while I am a big Pujols fan, I don't think I would ever call Jeter "average"
Average players don't have 20 year careers, have 3000 plus hits, have a .310 career batting average, wins Rookie Of The Year, is among the top 10 MVP vote getters in 8 separate seasons, and is a 5 time gold glove winner.
Even if you take away half those accomplishment he is still way better than "average". And I say this as someone who hated the Yankees during Jeter's playing days.
Do I believe he is better or more Iconic than Pujols? No. But if you can't dismiss his accompishments
In the past 50 years, 507 different players have batted at least 5,000 times. Sort by Fielding-per-150-games, and you find Jeter in 487th place. If Jeter was a DH, I'd completely agree. But he wasn't. Fielding matters, for many, it's more important than hitting.
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As I said, even if you dismiss his fielding stats he is still way above an average player for every other reason I mentioned.
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@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@lucas8181_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@easy_duhz_it__mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@doihearbossmusic_mlbts said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@dolenz_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
@aaronjw76_psn said in So no POTM for the best hitter in May Goldy?:
my god you guys are a broken [censored] record.
I realize it is a pain to see if you are not a fan of the Cardinals and it's cool to insult Cardinal fans but let's be honest, if Goldy played for any other team, then that teams fans would be complaining just as much. Nobody likes to see worthy players on their favorite team snubbed.
It will pass once it has been vented.
Kind of like Pujols, notice in his final year he is not getting NEAR the amount of red carpets in away games that Jeter or Ortiz got their final years, and he is a superior hitter to both, with far superior numbers.
Reason: Market
I didn't even think about this until an analyst brought it up on MLB Net, they would have buildings and statues if Pujols played in NY his career
In what world does Pujols have "far superior" numbers to Jeter?
Power numbers, sure. But to say he's "far superior" to Jeter is a ludicrous statement.
Someday when your grandkids are asking if you ever saw Pujols play, be sure to tell them that you wasted the opportunities, because an average shortstop from NY was better.
You prove the OPs point, market creates a false sense of value. Trout is the only current player that MIGHT match Alberts numbers by the end of his career. I’m guessing you’re under the age of 30, and have no idea what Pujols did in his career.
Are you retarded? Wtf does market size have to do with Jeters ability to hit? Are you really suggesting that if he played in Tampa or Oakland, he wouldn't have over 3400 hits?
Saying his value wouldn't be near as blown up as it has been in NY
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Jeter got a lot more at bats later in his career because he was a Yankee captain. If he had been a Ray he likely would have retired sooner or been forced to change positions. He is overrated. Same with Pete Rose. He would never have passed Ty Cobb if he wasn't his own manager getting to fill out the line up card.
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Jeter was an awesome ballplayer and the "overrated" thing is silly. He was the heart and soul of the Yankees dynasty for a decade and a half. So let's all stop with the "overrated" garbage.
That said... Pujols is in a different universe.
HRs
Jeter: 260
Pujols: 683RBI
Jeter: 1311
Pujols: 2165Career SLG
Jeter: .440
Pujols: .542Career OPS
Jeter: .817
Pujols: .917Career OPS+
Jeter: 115
Pujols: 144Career WAR
Jeter: 71.3
Pujols: 99.4They have nearly identical ABs (Jeter: 11,196 vs Pujols: 11,204) and Pujols has compiled +423 homers, +850 RBI, +29 WAR in essentially the same number of opportunities. This is the world in which Pujols is a far superior player.
EDIT: but Jeter sending his dates home with a gift basket the next morning is such an ungodly baller move that I’m almost willing to ignore Pujols’ stats and say that they’re equal.
