Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.
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@aaronjw76 said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
This same guy wants to do this but complains about knuckleball cheese.
Is he the pot or kettle?
Just wants the world to revolve around him. “I never do anything wrong, but everyone is against me”
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He thinks that just because he got someone fast on base that he’s entitled to steal the next one. Incredible.
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I have Rickey & anger gunned all the time!
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@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Stealing actually takes thought, I like that. You got to pick your chances. Sandberg has stolen 28 bases in 29 attempts.
This. People think they can and should run in any situation and any count. To be really successful at it, you have to read tendencies, use the count to your advantage. Then OP wouldn’t need to feel like taking a lead.
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@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@LankyRyan said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Stop leading off and I'll stop stepping off. The game already gives you one step by default.
Hahah I knew this would be first comment "stop leading off and I won't throw" literally knew this comment was coming. How about you throw 2 or 3 times and if you dont get me then the game goes on. In MLB I dont think it's even allowed for a pitcher to throw 30 straight times to first base cause the player took a 1 step leadoff extra. If you cant throw me out on the first 20 attempts then fuhk off and play the game.
The lack of logic here is incredible. You're entitled to take an extra step as many times as you want, but your opponent can only try and stop you 2-3 times? Have you ever heard of "cause and effect"? They can do whatever they want, just like you can continue to create the situation which causes the reaction.
You don't even need the extra step to steal a bag since it's all a dice roll anyway. Last year I had an opponent steal 2nd with Pablo Sandoval with no additional lead (38 speed and 10 stealing) because the game decided it was his turn to get a stolen base. Meanwhile 99 Ricky Henderson with an extra step and the pitcher NOT slide stepping was getting hosed at 2nd. tHaT's JuSt BaSeBaLl...
You should take your own advice and "play the game" instead of whining about it to a forum full of people that think you're acting like a fool.
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@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
I think stealing needs a buff. It's not realistic that the pitcher can throw to first base 30 straight times because I took a one step leadoff. Pitchers should lose stamina or confidence which I thought in previous years was the case. I also believe in previous years you could only throw a pickoff around 3 times max in one plate appearance. What is this 30 pickoffs in one plate appearance just cause I want to take 1 step lead off. On top of the pickoff cheese even if I have a 1 step leadoff with 99 speed mondesi I get gunned out because with a quick pitch and a throw in the green with button accuracy is all you need to throw anyone out stealing.
I'm not just complaining that I cant steal bases, I also gun people out at an alarming rate. I dont remember last time somebody stole a base on me cause I get that perfect green throw almost every time and it's an automatic out.
Also I put good players in the title because yes, stealing is still easy vs players who are lost in the sauce and cant time their button accuracy throws or quick pitch with a speedy guy on base.
How about the fact that we aren't in the 80s or 90s anymore. This isn't the Cards with Willie McGee, Vince Coleman and Ozzie Smith. Stolen bases aren't a huge part of the game anymore, seeing 20 or 30 is rare enough and you want one every time you get a speedy guy OB, gtfoh. Baserunning in general is broken, but you want to exploit it the ONLY time I will try an extended lead is at 2B with 2 outs to get a slightly better chance of scoring on that 2 out hit. If I attempt to steal, I'm using a regular lead because the fact is that lead is enough guys with good stealing attributes will do just fine, pretty sure Shane Victorino isn't quite a burner, 76 speed and 74 stealing, but very successful.
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I bet he bunted to get on too, probably with Mondesi
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I bet he turns around and tries to go back to first if he thinks you have him.
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@Tommy2wotone said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Its realistic for a super speedy guy to take an extra step leadoff it's what they do. It's not realistic to throw to that base 30 times
No, what’s realistic is the runner wouldn’t be taking that much of a lead after a couple throws. Your argument is absolutely terrible, and I hope you get picked off and thrown over at all game and every game.
Dave Roberts kept taking his lead. He even stole on the first pitch after 3 straight pickoff attempts.
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If you think IRL situations is evidence enough to be entitled to take an extra step in a video game, feel free. Have fun wasting hours of your life watching a dude step off the mound. You know what you're getting yourself into, don't come here crying about it.
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@MrGamebred said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
If you think IRL situations is evidence enough to be entitled to take an extra step in a video game, feel free. Have fun wasting hours of your life watching a dude step off the mound. You know what you're getting yourself into, don't come here crying about it.
I was specifically referring to the post saying it isnt realistic to continue to take the same lead after pickoff throws. It happens.
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In terms of game theory and real life OP is absolutely correct.
The problem is in the show leading off is broken where you never get picked off when an extra step off the bag, and there's no downside to a pitcher throwing over or stepping off (in real life there are practical limits), so you get in this weird stalemate. It's a broken game design where there's no risk, and the reward is won only by being a patient annoyance.
So we all kinda agree that the best way to resolve this is not lead off the extra step (because the extra step is a huge deal when stealing, so it behooves the pitcher to pick off every time) so that we can all get on with playing the game.
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@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Its realistic for a super speedy guy to take an extra step leadoff it's what they do. It's not realistic to throw to that base 30 times.
It's pretty realistic for pitchers to keep speedy guys close. Because in real life if pitchers throw over a couple times, the runner doesn't just take the same lead everytime, He'll stay a little closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching.
Yes but if that speedy guy can take 1 extra step and still avoid being thrown out at 1st then its something the pitcher has to deal with and perhaps do a pitch out or a quick pitch. Not throw 20 more times.
Except that doesn't happen in real life, it's a fact that a runner will stay closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching. He doesn't take the same lead every single time,
You wanted to bring the real life argument into this, well that's real life, they don't take the same lead every single solitary time if a pitcher throws over.
I get that point and well taken but the game doesn't allow u to inch closer to the bag.There are 2 options only stay put or take the bigger lead no in between so again it's not realistic regardless
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@xXChopChop21Xx said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Its realistic for a super speedy guy to take an extra step leadoff it's what they do. It's not realistic to throw to that base 30 times.
It's pretty realistic for pitchers to keep speedy guys close. Because in real life if pitchers throw over a couple times, the runner doesn't just take the same lead everytime, He'll stay a little closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching.
Yes but if that speedy guy can take 1 extra step and still avoid being thrown out at 1st then its something the pitcher has to deal with and perhaps do a pitch out or a quick pitch. Not throw 20 more times.
Except that doesn't happen in real life, it's a fact that a runner will stay closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching. He doesn't take the same lead every single time,
You wanted to bring the real life argument into this, well that's real life, they don't take the same lead every single solitary time if a pitcher throws over.
I get that point and well taken but the game doesn't allow u to inch closer to the bag.There are 2 options only stay put or take the bigger lead no in between so again it's not realistic regardless
I get that, still doesn't mean the answer is to take the same lead 40 times
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“Pickoff Cheese”.
That’s a good one.
How about you move your runners by swinging the bat?You might find after you’ve proven you can hit, that you can occasionally catch your opponent sleeping and steal a base.
The only cheese here is you trying to steal runs without hitting the ball.
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@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@xXChopChop21Xx said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Its realistic for a super speedy guy to take an extra step leadoff it's what they do. It's not realistic to throw to that base 30 times.
It's pretty realistic for pitchers to keep speedy guys close. Because in real life if pitchers throw over a couple times, the runner doesn't just take the same lead everytime, He'll stay a little closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching.
Yes but if that speedy guy can take 1 extra step and still avoid being thrown out at 1st then its something the pitcher has to deal with and perhaps do a pitch out or a quick pitch. Not throw 20 more times.
Except that doesn't happen in real life, it's a fact that a runner will stay closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching. He doesn't take the same lead every single time,
You wanted to bring the real life argument into this, well that's real life, they don't take the same lead every single solitary time if a pitcher throws over.
I get that point and well taken but the game doesn't allow u to inch closer to the bag.There are 2 options only stay put or take the bigger lead no in between so again it's not realistic regardless
I get that, still doesn't mean the answer is to take the same lead 40 times
also true but etiquette of games is a lost art these days but also throwing over 30 times because your worried about 1 base runner is crazy also.Yes that 1 run can mean the difference between winning and losing I get it all and the points from both sides it all comes down to the individual player period and these days we can throw sportsmanship out the window..
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@xXChopChop21Xx said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@xXChopChop21Xx said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Its realistic for a super speedy guy to take an extra step leadoff it's what they do. It's not realistic to throw to that base 30 times.
It's pretty realistic for pitchers to keep speedy guys close. Because in real life if pitchers throw over a couple times, the runner doesn't just take the same lead everytime, He'll stay a little closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching.
Yes but if that speedy guy can take 1 extra step and still avoid being thrown out at 1st then its something the pitcher has to deal with and perhaps do a pitch out or a quick pitch. Not throw 20 more times.
Except that doesn't happen in real life, it's a fact that a runner will stay closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching. He doesn't take the same lead every single time,
You wanted to bring the real life argument into this, well that's real life, they don't take the same lead every single solitary time if a pitcher throws over.
I get that point and well taken but the game doesn't allow u to inch closer to the bag.There are 2 options only stay put or take the bigger lead no in between so again it's not realistic regardless
I get that, still doesn't mean the answer is to take the same lead 40 times
also true but etiquette of games is a lost art these days but also throwing over 30 times because your worried about 1 base runner is crazy also.Yes that 1 run can mean the difference between winning and losing I get it all and the points from both sides it all comes down to the individual player period and these days we can throw sportsmanship out the window..
I'm not saying throwing over a million times is good sportsmanship, neither side shows good sportsmanship, that's not the argument.
Doesn't mean I'm gonna let anyone take a lead with their 99 speed Cobb. -
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@xXChopChop21Xx said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@xXChopChop21Xx said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@eatyum said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
@CanucksNoCups said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
Its realistic for a super speedy guy to take an extra step leadoff it's what they do. It's not realistic to throw to that base 30 times.
It's pretty realistic for pitchers to keep speedy guys close. Because in real life if pitchers throw over a couple times, the runner doesn't just take the same lead everytime, He'll stay a little closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching.
Yes but if that speedy guy can take 1 extra step and still avoid being thrown out at 1st then its something the pitcher has to deal with and perhaps do a pitch out or a quick pitch. Not throw 20 more times.
Except that doesn't happen in real life, it's a fact that a runner will stay closer to the bag if he knows the pitcher is watching. He doesn't take the same lead every single time,
You wanted to bring the real life argument into this, well that's real life, they don't take the same lead every single solitary time if a pitcher throws over.
I get that point and well taken but the game doesn't allow u to inch closer to the bag.There are 2 options only stay put or take the bigger lead no in between so again it's not realistic regardless
I get that, still doesn't mean the answer is to take the same lead 40 times
also true but etiquette of games is a lost art these days but also throwing over 30 times because your worried about 1 base runner is crazy also.Yes that 1 run can mean the difference between winning and losing I get it all and the points from both sides it all comes down to the individual player period and these days we can throw sportsmanship out the window..
I'm not saying throwing over a million times is good sportsmanship, neither side shows good sportsmanship, that's not the argument.
Doesn't mean I'm gonna let anyone take a lead with their 99 speed Cobb.I get why you done it and honestly I agree u thought he was gonna steal and he probably would have with 99 speed no doubt.You did nothing wrong nor did he the argument here is invalid because it comes down to the players.There is no winner and loser here just a time consuming play from both players in a game both we're trying to win..
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@Whereismymind808 said in Stealing online vs anyone remotely good is impossible.:
The way you make it sound, it’s as if you truly believe you’re entitled to that extra-step. What a terrible argument you’ve tried to make btw. How about worrying about advancing your runner by getting a hit with the guy at the plate? Not cheesing your way to swiping an easy bag because of that giant lead. Pick-off cheese?? Lol smh.
Counterpoint: How about worrying getting the batter out instead of being unsportsmanlike and holding up the game? Not everyone who takes the extra step is doing it to try to steal.
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That’s weird. One of my favorite things about this years game is we can actually pick people off fairly consistently.
