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@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
This is a good thing! People can press it long enough to set thier PCI Lock without disrupting the game. While still alleviating the quick pitch. Well done SDS
PCI lock doesn't have the same effect as R2 and wasn't why this change was made. Also quick pitching is a nonsense excuse used by R2 users to justify being toxic 98% of the time
I didn't say PCI Lock had same effect. I said people use R2 so they can lock it it in to the zone. As far as quick pitching being a nonsense excuse, well that's your opinion but there was a pretty heated debate about it last year and i think the way they balanced it this year shows they do pay attention.
Goes two way then Quick pitchers saying R2 spammers are toxic is a nonsense excuse for quick pitchers being mad b/c SDS alleviated the exploit of quick pitching problem that plagued for so many years.
People spam R2 when there are no runners on base. Its impossible to "quick pitch" when no runners on base. If you are talking about wuick pitching as people balking with Kenley Jansen than I can agree on what quick pitching is considered. But people that actively cry about quick pitching most of the time just aren't good hitters and need 35 seconds to think about what pitch to flail at rather than being in the box ready to hit
Ok i'm not sure what's being considered "spamming?" I use R2 every pitch for sole purpose of setting my PCI and once it's set i release. So if people are doing it after a pitcher steps off or disrupting timing then i agree it's not necessary. But if that's the case then this update should prevent that while keeping people who use it for PCI in mind. So i still say a balanced in between solution imo.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
This is a good thing! People can press it long enough to set thier PCI Lock without disrupting the game. While still alleviating the quick pitch. Well done SDS
PCI lock doesn't have the same effect as R2 and wasn't why this change was made. Also quick pitching is a nonsense excuse used by R2 users to justify being toxic 98% of the time
I didn't say PCI Lock had same effect. I said people use R2 so they can lock it it in to the zone. As far as quick pitching being a nonsense excuse, well that's your opinion but there was a pretty heated debate about it last year and i think the way they balanced it this year shows they do pay attention.
Goes two way then Quick pitchers saying R2 spammers are toxic is a nonsense excuse for quick pitchers being mad b/c SDS alleviated the exploit of quick pitching problem that plagued for so many years.
People spam R2 when there are no runners on base. Its impossible to "quick pitch" when no runners on base. If you are talking about wuick pitching as people balking with Kenley Jansen than I can agree on what quick pitching is considered. But people that actively cry about quick pitching most of the time just aren't good hitters and need 35 seconds to think about what pitch to flail at rather than being in the box ready to hit
Ok i'm not sure what's being considered "spamming?" I use R2 every pitch for sole purpose of setting my PCI and once it's set i release. So if people are doing it after a pitcher steps off or disrupting timing then i agree it's not necessary. But if that's the case then this update should prevent that while keeping people who use it for PCI in mind. So i still say a balanced in between solution imo.
I didn't even know anyone used R2 to set their PCI anchor. You can do it pretty easily without it
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@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
This is a good thing! People can press it long enough to set thier PCI Lock without disrupting the game. While still alleviating the quick pitch. Well done SDS
PCI lock doesn't have the same effect as R2 and wasn't why this change was made. Also quick pitching is a nonsense excuse used by R2 users to justify being toxic 98% of the time
I didn't say PCI Lock had same effect. I said people use R2 so they can lock it it in to the zone. As far as quick pitching being a nonsense excuse, well that's your opinion but there was a pretty heated debate about it last year and i think the way they balanced it this year shows they do pay attention.
Goes two way then Quick pitchers saying R2 spammers are toxic is a nonsense excuse for quick pitchers being mad b/c SDS alleviated the exploit of quick pitching problem that plagued for so many years.
People spam R2 when there are no runners on base. Its impossible to "quick pitch" when no runners on base. If you are talking about wuick pitching as people balking with Kenley Jansen than I can agree on what quick pitching is considered. But people that actively cry about quick pitching most of the time just aren't good hitters and need 35 seconds to think about what pitch to flail at rather than being in the box ready to hit
Ok i'm not sure what's being considered "spamming?" I use R2 every pitch for sole purpose of setting my PCI and once it's set i release. So if people are doing it after a pitcher steps off or disrupting timing then i agree it's not necessary. But if that's the case then this update should prevent that while keeping people who use it for PCI in mind. So i still say a balanced in between solution imo.
I didn't even know anyone used R2 to set their PCI anchor. You can do it pretty easily without it
No you can't, once pitcher is in motion none of those tools are usable if i'm not mistaken. If you can, then PCI Lock doesn't always go to the spot you want by just clicking it, mine sometimes goes to one above or beside which is why i started using R2 to put precisely where i want it.
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I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
Anyone R2ing after every pitch is either griefing or mentally challenged. If you can’t remember what pitch I just threw you a second ago, maybe you should get off DD and go to something like animal crossing.
I hardly come across any players that do this. I just wonder what you complainers are doing to make them spam R2. Are you a bunt dancer? Pause spammer? Bunt cheeser? That would make sense. What does that make someone that pauses half a dozen times per half inning?
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I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
Anyone R2ing after every pitch is either griefing or mentally challenged. If you can’t remember what pitch I just threw you a second ago, maybe you should get off DD and go to something like animal crossing.
I hardly come across any players that do this. I just wonder what you complainers are doing to make them spam R2. Are you a bunt dancer? Pause spammer? Bunt cheeser? That would make sense. What does that make someone that pauses half a dozen times per half inning?
It's really only 1 out of every 40-50 games. I just air on the side of get rid of it because 95% of my opponents don't use it at all and 4.9 of that other 5% use it in a toxic way
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@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
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I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
If they pause on every single pitch because they need that much analysis to swing the bat, then they will run out of pause time quite quickly. So yes. And you can't pause after the pitcher selects his pitch.
For the record, I don’t use R2 much at all, maybe for a second here or there to see where I was pitched last at bat. Even then it is a quick pull and release. I am not bothered by others that do the same. I do not use “pause” at all as there is no need for it in this game whatsoever. The quick menu is all that is needed for no more than maybe 10 seconds. I could pause after every single pitch for a second up to 180 pitches and still have time left over. You really want to go that route?
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@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
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I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
If they pause on every single pitch because they need that much analysis to swing the bat, then they will run out of pause time quite quickly. So yes. And you can't pause after the pitcher selects his pitch.
For the record, I don’t use R2 much at all, maybe for a second here or there to see where I was pitched last at bat. Even then it is a quick pull and release. I am not bothered by others that do the same. I do not use “pause” at all as there is no need for it in this game whatsoever. The quick menu is all that is needed for no more than maybe 10 seconds. I could pause after every single pitch for a second up to 180 pitches and still have time left over. You really want to go that route?
If people are using R2 as they say they are they would be wasting their pause time on pitch analysis. What it seems like your arguing is that pausing just to be toxic would be more annoying than using R2 just to be toxic
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Well for the record i use it every pitch to setup PCI lock and no way shape or form am i trying to be toxic. But in all fairness i don't play online that much. But when i do, this is what i do. But out of curiosity, is it making game last a significant amount of time longer?
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Once per at-bat is the answer.
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@bhall09_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
Once per at-bat is the answer.
It's balanced the way it is. People just need to not do it to be toxic. It's not a Cool factor!
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@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
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@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
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@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@kovz88_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
If they pause on every single pitch because they need that much analysis to swing the bat, then they will run out of pause time quite quickly. So yes. And you can't pause after the pitcher selects his pitch.
For the record, I don’t use R2 much at all, maybe for a second here or there to see where I was pitched last at bat. Even then it is a quick pull and release. I am not bothered by others that do the same. I do not use “pause” at all as there is no need for it in this game whatsoever. The quick menu is all that is needed for no more than maybe 10 seconds. I could pause after every single pitch for a second up to 180 pitches and still have time left over. You really want to go that route?
If people are using R2 as they say they are they would be wasting their pause time on pitch analysis. What it seems like your arguing is that pausing just to be toxic would be more annoying than using R2 just to be toxic
I am not arguing anything. I am an advocate of making this a better game than what it currently is. R2 is an “in game” mechanic that helps keep gameplay moving. “Pause” does not, it halts the game and puts one player at the mercy of the “pauser”. There is no reason to pause the game, it should be either removed or limited. I shouldn’t have to sit there and watch the timer because 1) you were not ready to play 2) you are mad because you are getting beat 3) you need to watch a tik tok video. I have yet to hear why pause is needed. If you get rid of R2, people will pause and gameplay will be much less enjoyable.
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@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@go4stros25_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
@kovz88_psn said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
If they pause on every single pitch because they need that much analysis to swing the bat, then they will run out of pause time quite quickly. So yes. And you can't pause after the pitcher selects his pitch.
For the record, I don’t use R2 much at all, maybe for a second here or there to see where I was pitched last at bat. Even then it is a quick pull and release. I am not bothered by others that do the same. I do not use “pause” at all as there is no need for it in this game whatsoever. The quick menu is all that is needed for no more than maybe 10 seconds. I could pause after every single pitch for a second up to 180 pitches and still have time left over. You really want to go that route?
If people are using R2 as they say they are they would be wasting their pause time on pitch analysis. What it seems like your arguing is that pausing just to be toxic would be more annoying than using R2 just to be toxic
I am not arguing anything. I am an advocate of making this a better game than what it currently is. R2 is an “in game” mechanic that helps keep gameplay moving. “Pause” does not, it halts the game and puts one player at the mercy of the “pauser”. There is no reason to pause the game, it should be either removed or limited. I shouldn’t have to sit there and watch the timer because 1) you were not ready to play 2) you are mad because you are getting beat 3) you need to watch a tik tok video. I have yet to hear why pause is needed. If you get rid of R2, people will pause and gameplay will be much less enjoyable.
R2 keeps gameplay moving? It's just as bad as pausing imo. They are more or less the same level. Pausing has a timer. You can R2 all game long, extend the game by 5-10 minutes doing so and disrupt my pinpoint motion. I'm not going to sit here and argue which ones worse, but anyone that extends a 9 inning game to an hour instead of 40-45 minutes is toxic regardless on how they do it
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@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
It's just as bad as pausing imo. They are more or less the same level.
Ok, at least we got here^. If you remove R2 it would be even more of a pause fest than what it already is. I will take R2 all day every day over pause. R2 does not affect your meter at all, it doesn’t even allow you to start the meter. If you mean it disrupts your rhythm than that makes sense, but that is also part of the game. Just take a deep breath and don’t go Jered Weaver over it. While on the topic I would like to see pause and warming up pitchers go away in favor of using timed mound visits conforming to MLB rules.
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I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
Anyone R2ing after every pitch is either griefing or mentally challenged. If you can’t remember what pitch I just threw you a second ago, maybe you should get off DD and go to something like animal crossing.
I hardly come across any players that do this. I just wonder what you complainers are doing to make them spam R2. Are you a bunt dancer? Pause spammer? Bunt cheeser? That would make sense. What does that make someone that pauses half a dozen times per half inning?
It's really only 1 out of every 40-50 games. I just air on the side of get rid of it because 95% of my opponents don't use it at all and 4.9 of that other 5% use it in a toxic way
What level are you in RS? I hear this a lot that these toxic players are not the majority. But my experience says otherwise. When I played online for 17, 18, and 20, the majority of my online experiences were negative. But I was a 600-700 player. I imagine the 800+ games are great, but I have never been good enough to find out. So since I couldn't Git gud, I just stopped playing online because these toxic players are less fun to play against than the CPU.
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700-850 or so when I actually play RS. I haven't played much if it this year tbh. But the toxic players are mostly in the mid levels of RS and BR and events are completely random whether you get one or not. The players that go out of their way to be toxic are almost always not good at the game, its just more annoying than anything
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@the_dragon1912 said in Patch Notes Wrong?:
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I would love for them to take it away just for all the people complaining to come on and complain about everyone pausing every pitch or batter.
The pretty simple solution is for R2 to give you the same information without effecting the pitcher at all. Using it for information has never been a problem
Idk man, I agree r2 shouldnt effect thevpitcher at all as well, but also wouldn't want to face outlier and changups in rapid fire.
Then pause or step out.
So you would rather someone pause after every single pitch than take an extra second in gameplay?
If they pause on every single pitch because they need that much analysis to swing the bat, then they will run out of pause time quite quickly. So yes. And you can't pause after the pitcher selects his pitch.
For the record, I don’t use R2 much at all, maybe for a second here or there to see where I was pitched last at bat. Even then it is a quick pull and release. I am not bothered by others that do the same. I do not use “pause” at all as there is no need for it in this game whatsoever. The quick menu is all that is needed for no more than maybe 10 seconds. I could pause after every single pitch for a second up to 180 pitches and still have time left over. You really want to go that route?
If people are using R2 as they say they are they would be wasting their pause time on pitch analysis. What it seems like your arguing is that pausing just to be toxic would be more annoying than using R2 just to be toxic
I am not arguing anything. I am an advocate of making this a better game than what it currently is. R2 is an “in game” mechanic that helps keep gameplay moving. “Pause” does not, it halts the game and puts one player at the mercy of the “pauser”. There is no reason to pause the game, it should be either removed or limited. I shouldn’t have to sit there and watch the timer because 1) you were not ready to play 2) you are mad because you are getting beat 3) you need to watch a tik tok video. I have yet to hear why pause is needed. If you get rid of R2, people will pause and gameplay will be much less enjoyable.
R2 keeps gameplay moving? It's just as bad as pausing imo. They are more or less the same level. Pausing has a timer. You can R2 all game long, extend the game by 5-10 minutes doing so and disrupt my pinpoint motion. I'm not going to sit here and argue which ones worse, but anyone that extends a 9 inning game to an hour instead of 40-45 minutes is toxic regardless on how they do it
What if you had an opponent and you were neck and neck and you went 12 or 13 innings. Wouldn't that be equivalent to game lasting 10-15 mins longer? So if peoples arguement is b/c the game lasts 5 or 10 mins longer then i say get over it. But if people are doing it to mess with timing of pitching then that is uncool. Either way post patch i think this fix was best possible solution for all parties and hopefully the ones abusing it move on to a different game.
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It's a reasonable compromise. For those who hate R2, batters now cannot spaz it every pitch. They get one press, up to 3 seconds, that's it.
There are still players out there who spam quick pitch, and a 3 second pause is also reasonable if a pitcher with a fast delivery is in a groove and you want to slow it down.
One press per pitch is a huge win.
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I still thi k @the_dragon1912 s suggestion of having R2 have no effect on the pitcher is the best answer. I've barely ever faced anyone quick pitching so I don't think that is as big a problem as people make it out to be so I can deal with it the few times it happens. This way we can still see the pitch history/pitch types and speed but also still need to be at the ready and doesn't put the pitcher at any disadvantage or drag out the at bat.
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Once per pitcher would be dumb. So if you leave a pitcher in a ranked game for 7+ innings I'm only allowed to check pitch history ONE time? The main issue with R2 was people tapping it to mess up the pitch which shouldn't happen now.
You have a pause button. Use it.
Yes; pause: go to stats, pitching stats, select team, then pitcher, then hitter, then current or previous AB. Rinse repeat for every hitter . That’s less annoying and time consuming than R2 for both players.
You have a game limit on pause time to stop that. In actual baseball a batter doesn’t get to see pitch history they have to remember it. They really just need to get rid of R2 entirely, as 99% of people use it for griefing and nothing else
Real players don’t have to remember how a guy pitched to 9 different batters and I’m almost positive someone is tracking that during the game for guys to review before there next PA
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Update after reading this thread, I am now practing my accuracy with PCI lock without R2 so i'm not part of problem!
