Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
There's a lot of shortstops that had a career avg. of .300+ though. Nobody is saying he was not top 50, but definitely not top 5. His defense was average at best and wasn't a great hitter, just a good hitter. Nomar had better offensive numbers and was a lot better defensively, but nobody is saying he was great.
Amazing how you can confidently say the person with the 6th most hits of all time wasnt a "great" hitter. And lets forget about his ability to score runs and all of the extra base hits too. Not expecting much from a Sox fan though.
Also, Nomar had 7 productive seasons at the plate and eclipsed 200 hits ONCE in his career. He had some solid years but his numbers are far less impressive than people think.
He played 30% less in his career than Jeter.... so tough to compare stats like hits. Nomar was a better hitter than Jeter when he was healthy. There is no doubt about that. Bogaerts right now has more hits, HR, RBI than Trout has had in the last 3 years.... does that make Bogaerts better? No... because he's played in a lot more games through those 3 years. Compare Nomar and Jeter in B.A., war, obp. ...Nomar was better power and a avg.
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I love the captain argument… in baseball
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
Watch the video and if you can still call him top I will be shocked. Just because he is popular doesn't mean he is great
I'm not watching any videos. I know all about how the defensive metrics are suspect, but numbers don't lie. The career hits, 200 hit seasons, 30+ double seasons, .310 career average, rings, postseason clutch....you're just trolling at this point if you are putting him outside the top 10.
Let me ask you a question, does this mean Ozzie Smith is overrated because he couldn't hit the ball out of the infield?
Well said and I 100% agree! Just because he doesn't hit 480 ft. hrs and do bat flips doesn't mean he's over rated. Also when it comes to intangibles (which no one talks about) he is king!
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Offensively, no. Defensively, yes. He also played for the largest market in terms of sports, so he had that going for him.
If he accrued the same offensive numbers in say, Detroit, he'd still be in the HOF just without five rings to show for it. -
@daddysr-29_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Offensively, no. Defensively, yes. He also played for the largest market in terms of sports, so he had that going for him.
If he accrued the same offensive numbers in say, Detroit, he'd still be in the HOF just without five rings to show for it.And if he played in Detroit, probably not 1st ballot.
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@nflman2033_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@daddysr-29_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Offensively, no. Defensively, yes. He also played for the largest market in terms of sports, so he had that going for him.
If he accrued the same offensive numbers in say, Detroit, he'd still be in the HOF just without five rings to show for it.And if he played in Detroit, probably not 1st ballot.
He might have still been first Ballot. 3000 hits basically guarantees first ballot if you didn't use steroids or gamble. He would be Paul Molitor without the rings more or less
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
a 5 time world series champion and the face of the greatest franchise in the history of sports for 20 years isn't a first ballot hall of famer.....I would love to hear what is in your eyes.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
At one time he was the most overrated player, but he has found his way into what I like to call the Bryce Harper Paradox. He has been called overrated so many times that he is underrated now
Bryce Harper is a 2x MVP... and he's not even 30 years old yet... WTF you talking about? lol
Bonds, DiMaggio, Mantle, Musial are the only other players to win 2 MVPs before age 29.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
At one time he was the most overrated player, but he has found his way into what I like to call the Bryce Harper Paradox. He has been called overrated so many times that he is underrated now
Bryce Harper is a 2x MVP... and he's not even 30 years old yet... WTF you talking about? lol
Bonds, DiMaggio, Mantle, Musial are the only other players to win 2 MVPs before age 29.
Must not get on social Media alot? Up until his 2nd MVP harper was called overrated by a lot of people. Like an extreme amount said he didn't deserve the phillies contract
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@nflman2033_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@daddysr-29_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Offensively, no. Defensively, yes. He also played for the largest market in terms of sports, so he had that going for him.
If he accrued the same offensive numbers in say, Detroit, he'd still be in the HOF just without five rings to show for it.And if he played in Detroit, probably not 1st ballot.
If he played in Detroit he would have been dropped from the ballot and would have to wait for the veterans committee to fix the writers mistake. I think he compares very closely to Trammell.
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When he comes out in this game his 99 will have more in game stats than anyone ever and y’all gunna be whining about metrics.
The might even throw a 5 gg milestone with perfect defending on him.
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@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
The answer is yes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kiAHDbWeCw
Facts are what they are.
Easily.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
At one time he was the most overrated player, but he has found his way into what I like to call the Bryce Harper Paradox. He has been called overrated so many times that he is underrated now
Bryce Harper is a 2x MVP... and he's not even 30 years old yet... WTF you talking about? lol
Bonds, DiMaggio, Mantle, Musial are the only other players to win 2 MVPs before age 29.
Must not get on social Media alot? Up until his 2nd MVP harper was called overrated by a lot of people. Like an extreme amount said he didn't deserve the phillies contract
Social media is a cesspool. If that's how you form your opinions than I feel bad for you.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
At one time he was the most overrated player, but he has found his way into what I like to call the Bryce Harper Paradox. He has been called overrated so many times that he is underrated now
Bryce Harper is a 2x MVP... and he's not even 30 years old yet... WTF you talking about? lol
Bonds, DiMaggio, Mantle, Musial are the only other players to win 2 MVPs before age 29.
Must not get on social Media alot? Up until his 2nd MVP harper was called overrated by a lot of people. Like an extreme amount said he didn't deserve the phillies contract
Social media is a cesspool. If that's how you form your opinions than I feel bad for you.
I could not agree more with you, but everything professional sports is run through social media whether you like it or not. Maybe there is in your circle, but there is no sitting down at a bar and discussing baseball anymore
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@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@notoriousheb_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
At one time he was the most overrated player, but he has found his way into what I like to call the Bryce Harper Paradox. He has been called overrated so many times that he is underrated now
Bryce Harper is a 2x MVP... and he's not even 30 years old yet... WTF you talking about? lol
Bonds, DiMaggio, Mantle, Musial are the only other players to win 2 MVPs before age 29.
Must not get on social Media alot? Up until his 2nd MVP harper was called overrated by a lot of people. Like an extreme amount said he didn't deserve the phillies contract
Social media is a cesspool. If that's how you form your opinions than I feel bad for you.
I could not agree more with you, but everything professional sports is run through social media whether you like it or not. Maybe there is in your circle, but there is no sitting down at a bar and discussing baseball anymore
I’ll give social media credit for one thing: dampening my passion for sports, thus allowing me to miss games, events, game 7s, quit fantasy sports and on and on.
Watching grown men tear each other about which dude should have his plaque or bust in a museum, call each other names for their fandom, cry about ref calls or perceived slight by the league, make 50 tweets a day about it, or long [censored] exposes of their theories on the Athletic like they’re scouts or covering the beat for 40 years…
Basically I loved sport, but people ruined it, one hot take at a time.
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5 Rings, Captain of the NY Yankees, 3400 hits, “the flip”, “the catch”, and one of the clutches players of Al time. Yeah, pretty sure that’s a hall of fame career.
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@redrza_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
5 Rings, Captain of the NY Yankees, 3400 hits, “the flip”, “the catch”, and one of the clutches players of Al time. Yeah, pretty sure that’s a hall of fame career.
No doubt!!! And for the record I hate the Yankees. Jeter, however, played the game right and more importantly represented the Yankees brand on and off the field with dignity and class!!! This is just a troll thread.
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