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@hustlinowl_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
neither did the steroid users because the substances were not on the ban list nor did Bonds ever fail a test
Wasnt steroids they were using, it was HGH
and testosterone. and you are correct, it wasnt on the banned list when most of these guys used them. but only cause they were new and no one knew about them.
Got on the banned list pretty quick once it was revealed thats what they were doing.
In any event it is cheating cause they used a substance to enhance performance and give an advantage that others didnt have, -
@kdclemson_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
The real issue is that MLB's rule book is worded poorly. Gerrit Cole may have used SpiderTack, but SpiderTack is not a foreign substance. Spidertack is manufactured in the US, and you can order it from Amazon from Colorado.
Crystal Meth is manufactured in America too...is that not a banned substance either?
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
neither did the steroid users because the substances were not on the ban list nor did Bonds ever fail a test
I may be missing the sarcasm here but didn't bonds admit to steroid use?
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@king-cals_xbl said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@lischynski_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
Can't wait until Cole drops to a gold card since he'll be mediocre without the sticky stuff
Dumbest comment of the century. Clearly you don’t watch baseball.
Facts. I bet this gives him a little uptick and Cole gets nastier! He is a real competitor and this will give him some extra motivation. He's been money all year! Only constant this year thats positive for the Yanks.
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@painpa_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
neither did the steroid users because the substances were not on the ban list nor did Bonds ever fail a test
Wasnt steroids they were using, it was HGH
and testosterone. and you are correct, it wasnt on the banned list when most of these guys used them. but only cause they were new and no one knew about them.
Got on the banned list pretty quick once it was revealed thats what they were doing.
In any event it is cheating cause they used a substance to enhance performance and give an advantage that others didnt have,HGH isn’t a steroid? Testosterone is a steroid? Yeah you’re right if it’s produced naturally by your body, however what those guys were taking was synthetic and therefore an anabolic steroid. Same goes for Androstinedion and other drugs. What an ignorant statement.
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@lil_ramram12_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@misfits_138_1_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
Cole's a cheater, but so are a hundred other MLB pitchers right now.
Is it really cheating, however, when the whole league knows it and accepts it?
This is a non-issue if Trevor Bauer doesn't go public about it and hammer away at it for a few years.
HBP #'s are going to explode. So are BB's. And so are elbows and shoulders.I feel like if pitchers can’t use it, hitters shouldn’t be able to either. Because both parties are using it for better grip more than anything.
Pine tar is plenty for hitters, spider tac is strong enough to rip skin off your hand. Hitters definitely use things to help their grip but the spider tac, sunscreen and rosin, and pelican grip is a pitcher thing. I’m in college baseball and the use of sticky stuff has been on the rise in the NCAA the last few years too. I remember hearing in 2016 that the University of Florida pitchers were using sun screen and hand sanitizer to help grip. Many pitchers on my team used some sort of sticky stuff too
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There wasn't a sarcasm tag, but I still read it that way. Love it!
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This thread is goin to go places I’m sure only nice places lol.
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I just like riling up Yankee fans
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@schwizzle_nizzle said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
There wasn't a sarcasm tag, but I still read it that way. Love it!
It was definitely a sarcastic post. Not many seem to catch it. He’s saying that the rule book says they can’t use foreign substances but since spider tack is domestic then Cole didn’t cheat.
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“On Tuesday night vs the Royals, Gerrit Cole posted his lowest spin rate with his 4-seamer, curve, and slider in ANY start since 2017.” Yikes
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Trevor Bauer mentioned in one of his videos to not be surprised if there’s pitcher going to IL bc of finger or wrist injury. Due to the no substance enforcement….. Looking at you Aaron Civale (on my fantasy team)
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@killerpresence4 said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@painpa_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
neither did the steroid users because the substances were not on the ban list nor did Bonds ever fail a test
Wasnt steroids they were using, it was HGH
and testosterone. and you are correct, it wasnt on the banned list when most of these guys used them. but only cause they were new and no one knew about them.
Got on the banned list pretty quick once it was revealed thats what they were doing.
In any event it is cheating cause they used a substance to enhance performance and give an advantage that others didnt have,HGH isn’t a steroid? Testosterone is a steroid? Yeah you’re right if it’s produced naturally by your body, however what those guys were taking was synthetic and therefore an anabolic steroid. Same goes for Androstinedion and other drugs. What an ignorant statement.
Performance enhancing drug does not equal anabolic steroid; that is a specific, distinct substance. They are used towards the same goal though.
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
neither did the steroid users because the substances were not on the ban list nor did Bonds ever fail a test
Well they were illegal... Unless you want to suggest it must in the roller book in which case shooting a player mid game isn't in the rules either.
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@yankblan_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@killerpresence4 said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@painpa_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
neither did the steroid users because the substances were not on the ban list nor did Bonds ever fail a test
Wasnt steroids they were using, it was HGH
and testosterone. and you are correct, it wasnt on the banned list when most of these guys used them. but only cause they were new and no one knew about them.
Got on the banned list pretty quick once it was revealed thats what they were doing.
In any event it is cheating cause they used a substance to enhance performance and give an advantage that others didnt have,HGH isn’t a steroid? Testosterone is a steroid? Yeah you’re right if it’s produced naturally by your body, however what those guys were taking was synthetic and therefore an anabolic steroid. Same goes for Androstinedion and other drugs. What an ignorant statement.
Performance enhancing drug does not equal anabolic steroid; that is a specific, distinct substance. They are used towards the same goal though.
Dude those substances are literally anabolic steroids. Look it up. They’re synthetic hormones that are designed to increase bulk and speed up the recovery process.
And here is the exact definition:
a synthetic steroid hormone that resembles testosterone in promoting the growth of muscle. Such hormones are used medicinally to treat some forms of weight loss and (illegally) by some athletes and others to enhance physical performance.
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According to Yankee fans He only didn’t cheat because he’s on the Yankees now if he was still on the Astros he’s a cheater
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Known Cheaters in baseball some are in the Hall of fame
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/mlbs_most_notorious_on_field_cheaters/s1__26878946#slide_1
George Brett Pine Tar
Sammy Sosa Cork Bat
Albert Bell Cork Bat
Whitey Ford The Gunk
Billy Hatcher Cork Bat
Hershiser With Cle Doctoring baseballs
Honeycutt while with Seattle tried to cheat but was not successful
Tommy John scuffing the ball
Phil Niekro 1987 with the twins
The list goes on and on and on from the beginning of the time Altering Baseballs, Corking bats, To Greenies, Steroids, Stealing signs electronically, now and all the other stuff players have tried. -
@nymets1987_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
According to Yankee fans He only didn’t cheat because he’s on the Yankees now if he was still on the Astros he’s a cheater
I think Cole takes a lot more heat due to his status, but It was estimated that 80% of pitchers were using a sticky stuff. Bauer just hates Cole, that’s why he’s been named countless times. But so far the last two starts Cole still has been solid.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
neither did the steroid users because the substances were not on the ban list nor did Bonds ever fail a test
Well they were illegal... Unless you want to suggest it must in the roller book in which case shooting a player mid game isn't in the rules either.
And yes those substances were federally illegal to use outside of a prescribed course of rehabilitative treatment by a licensed physician. So if a baseball player was using those substances to gain an advantage they were doing so in a criminal way.
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@quinnymcquinn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
@nymets1987_psn said in Gerrit Cole didn't actually cheat:
According to Yankee fans He only didn’t cheat because he’s on the Yankees now if he was still on the Astros he’s a cheater
I think Cole takes a lot more heat due to his status, but It was estimated that 80% of pitchers were using a sticky stuff. Bauer just hates Cole, that’s why he’s been named countless times. But so far the last two starts Cole still has been solid.
Oh I agree but no offense coming from a Yankee fan all of a sudden saying Colts didn’t cheat is funny
