Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
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@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history but best player ever in the history of baseball you need to slow down there. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that.
So you were trolling?
What you did is equivalent of listing the Mount Rushmore of the Chicago Bulls and leaving off Jordan.
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@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in different seasons of their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in different seasons of their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
He literally changed how stadium dimensions were to be built lol
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
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@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
The best player argument is exactly why I brought up his pitching. He had 94 wins! Career ERA of 2.28. That's better than Jacob deGrom, in nearly the same amount of innings. To me, factoring in his pitching is much more substantial than fielding prowess when it comes to defense.
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@renz2003_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
Cleveland Indians
Tris Speaker
Bob Feller
Jim Thomas
KluberNo way to argue with the first three, but two be honest I think Kluber would be in the second half of top 10 for me. I would probably have these guys ahead of him:
-Manny
-Omar
-Kenny
-Bob Lemon
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@b-rad1219_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@renz2003_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
Cleveland Indians
Tris Speaker
Bob Feller
Jim Thomas
KluberNo way to argue with the first three, but two be honest I think Kluber would be in the second half of top 10 for me. I would probably have these guys ahead of him:
-Manny
-Omar
-Kenny
-Bob Lemon
-Lou BoudreauNap Lajoie gets no respect.
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@b-rad1219_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@renz2003_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
Cleveland Indians
Tris Speaker
Bob Feller
Jim Thomas
KluberNo way to argue with the first three, but two be honest I think Kluber would be in the second half of top 10 for me. I would probably have these guys ahead of him:
-Manny
-Omar
-Kenny
-Bob Lemon
-Lou BoudreauNap Lajoie gets no respect.
Much respect! But the last year he played was before my great grandpa was born!
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
The best player argument is exactly why I brought up his pitching. He had 94 wins! Career ERA of 2.28. That's better than Jacob deGrom, in nearly the same amount of innings. To me, factoring in his pitching is much more substantial than fielding prowess when it comes to defense.
Now I will bring up the players are better now than then debate. Babe Ruth was obviously not as good as a pitcher as degrom or hitter as Soto. I don’t think that comes into play though. Can we really call Babe the greatest player when he wasn’t. Basketball doesn’t call wilt chamberlain the best. They call him the most dominant. Babe isn’t the best he’s the most dominant.
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@warriorsarecool7 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
The best player argument is exactly why I brought up his pitching. He had 94 wins! Career ERA of 2.28. That's better than Jacob deGrom, in nearly the same amount of innings. To me, factoring in his pitching is much more substantial than fielding prowess when it comes to defense.
Now I will bring up the players are better now than then debate. Babe Ruth was obviously not as good as a pitcher as degrom or hitter as Soto. I don’t think that comes into play though. Can we really call Babe the greatest player when he wasn’t. Basketball doesn’t call wilt chamberlain the best. They call him the most dominant. Babe isn’t the best he’s the most dominant.
Isnt that what WAR is for? It allows you to statistically compare players across eras, by how much better they are versus an average replacement player. We arent talking about whose stuff was better pitching-wise, or who ran quicker. We are talking about who is the overall best player (performance) of all time.
Ruth has nearly every important statistical category in his favor, including being #1 in WAR.
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@warriorsarecool7 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
The best player argument is exactly why I brought up his pitching. He had 94 wins! Career ERA of 2.28. That's better than Jacob deGrom, in nearly the same amount of innings. To me, factoring in his pitching is much more substantial than fielding prowess when it comes to defense.
Now I will bring up the players are better now than then debate. Babe Ruth was obviously not as good as a pitcher as degrom or hitter as Soto. I don’t think that comes into play though. Can we really call Babe the greatest player when he wasn’t. Basketball doesn’t call wilt chamberlain the best. They call him the most dominant. Babe isn’t the best he’s the most dominant.
Isnt that what WAR is for? It allows you to statistically compare players across eras, by how much better they are versus an average replacement player. We arent talking about whose stuff was better pitching-wise, or who ran quicker. We are talking about who is the overall best player (performance) of all time.
Ruth has nearly every important statistical category in his favor, including being #1 in WAR.
What I’m saying is that Ruth would not have the best war now if he played but mike trout would if he played back then
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@warriorsarecool7 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@warriorsarecool7 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
The best player argument is exactly why I brought up his pitching. He had 94 wins! Career ERA of 2.28. That's better than Jacob deGrom, in nearly the same amount of innings. To me, factoring in his pitching is much more substantial than fielding prowess when it comes to defense.
Now I will bring up the players are better now than then debate. Babe Ruth was obviously not as good as a pitcher as degrom or hitter as Soto. I don’t think that comes into play though. Can we really call Babe the greatest player when he wasn’t. Basketball doesn’t call wilt chamberlain the best. They call him the most dominant. Babe isn’t the best he’s the most dominant.
Isnt that what WAR is for? It allows you to statistically compare players across eras, by how much better they are versus an average replacement player. We arent talking about whose stuff was better pitching-wise, or who ran quicker. We are talking about who is the overall best player (performance) of all time.
Ruth has nearly every important statistical category in his favor, including being #1 in WAR.
What I’m saying is that Ruth would not have the best war now if he played but mike trout would if he played back then
Pure conjecture.
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@warriorsarecool7 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@warriorsarecool7 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
The best player argument is exactly why I brought up his pitching. He had 94 wins! Career ERA of 2.28. That's better than Jacob deGrom, in nearly the same amount of innings. To me, factoring in his pitching is much more substantial than fielding prowess when it comes to defense.
Now I will bring up the players are better now than then debate. Babe Ruth was obviously not as good as a pitcher as degrom or hitter as Soto. I don’t think that comes into play though. Can we really call Babe the greatest player when he wasn’t. Basketball doesn’t call wilt chamberlain the best. They call him the most dominant. Babe isn’t the best he’s the most dominant.
Isnt that what WAR is for? It allows you to statistically compare players across eras, by how much better they are versus an average replacement player. We arent talking about whose stuff was better pitching-wise, or who ran quicker. We are talking about who is the overall best player (performance) of all time.
Ruth has nearly every important statistical category in his favor, including being #1 in WAR.
What I’m saying is that Ruth would not have the best war now if he played but mike trout would if he played back then
Pure conjecture.
How ?
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@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@formallyforearms said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@kingscountyog718 said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreReal Yank fan here. Started in 87 and see some horrible teams. Here I go,
1-Mickey Mantle
2-Lou Gehrig
3-Joe DiMaggio
And a little curveball. Just because of the clutchness and always getting that big hit or defensive play when it mattered most
5-Derek JeterHow the Hell do you have a Yankees list and omit Babe Ruth? Hes the best player in baseball history, let alone Yankees history.
History? There were better all around players than Ruth brother. You can make the argument about being the best hitter in history. I got the reaction I wanted though I know someone was gonna mention that. Trust me if Mantle didn't seriously damage his body specifically his knees his HR #s might have been higher than Ruth's. Also was a switch hitter and a 5 Tool player
My man, Ruth is #1 in WAR all time. He also was the best LHP in baseball for a 2 year stretch. He had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and 6.5 in 1916 and 1917. Name someone else that had a pitching WAR of 8.8 and a batting WAR of 14.1 in their careers. You cant.
He completely redefined the game. Every HR he hit between #138 and #714 was the new record, and he did it while having a career batting average of .342.
The House that Ruth Built.
His WAR is crazy I know. I agree with you as well. I didn't add him because IMO thats a given. His WAR is like 162 or something and if you add pitching its like 180 or something. If I had a draft and had my choice off any player ever I'm not taking Ruth, I'm taking a healthy Mantle.. If you are going by that metric for hitting alone I believe Bonds is a tick higher. I also made the argument because you said best player not best hitter. There are some like Mantle and Mays who had the speed and crazy defense. IMO that factors into best player taking into account the other facets. Again if you said best hitter I would agree. I will not agree all around player goes to Ruth. Don't forget about Ted Williams also. He lost 5 years I'm his prime fighting in a real WAR. He might have passed everyone in most categories if we talking straight hitting. When best ever comes up I take into account the overall body of work brother.
The best player argument is exactly why I brought up his pitching. He had 94 wins! Career ERA of 2.28. That's better than Jacob deGrom, in nearly the same amount of innings. To me, factoring in his pitching is much more substantial than fielding prowess when it comes to defense.
With that said we agree!!!
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Not my fave team but how bout the Expos?
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
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@gooseonem_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
So I got this idea while listening to the Starting 9 Podcast. Pick the four players from your favorite team that had the biggest impact/most success in their time there.
As a Rangers fan my Mt. Rushmore would have to be:
Nolan Ryan
Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez
Michael Young
Adrian BeltreMets
Seaver
Wright
Gooden
Carter
Franco maybe Reyes -
Just quickly skimmed this thread so I might ne wrong, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see the Red Sox mentioned once.
Ted Williams
Pedro Martinez
David Ortiz
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@hikes83_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Favorite Team Mt. Rushmore:
Jays
Roy Halladay
Carlos Delgado
Dave Stieb
Jose BautistaSorry Robbie, you were carved out
Dude, gotta have George Bell...
Meh.. he had an MVP sure, though it's one he shouldn't have won.. but other than that, he was kind of overrated. I'd go Vernon or Joe Carter over him. Joe for his postseason heroics, Vernon for his 5 tool game..
Josh Donaldson in his first 2 years as a Jay produced the same WAR George Bell did in a decade lol
Shannon Stewart
