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    @guccigangchuck said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @fullthrottle152_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    I'm also new, bad at this game, but I don't mind how showdown is done, it's beatable.

    I believe their online mode needs a redesign though, to help new players. It's too random, find myself matched against vastly superior players way too often. We need a league pyramid type system. Put all us trash players in the bottom league, we can have some enjoyable games against each other. Put the good players in the top league with better rewards.

    Playing against similar skilled players is the best way of improving. It's disheartening for a new player to be matched against experienced skilled players, that's only going to turn new players away from the game.

    Its called ranked for a reason.

    I've played ranked in multiple sports, FPS games over the years. The ranking system is this game is flawed, outdated. I'm not sure if MLB the show has any intention of becoming an eSport, but if they want to grow their playerbase, they need to rework the ranking system.

    A good ranking system starts with a placement games that puts your playerbase into set divisions, depending on their skill level.

    The way it's setup now, the worst player in the world could be matched against the best player in the world at the start of ranked seasons. Current system is also easily exploitable with smurf accounts. A smurf can continually play against lower skilled players in this game. Don't you want the playerbase to grow, the game to become more popular?

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    @mcgalamaad_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    I honestly don’t understand how anyone can struggle that bad on showdown.

    It’s on Rookie and Veteran, should be easy for everybody, I don’t understand it either

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    @mcgalamaad_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    I honestly don’t understand how anyone can struggle that bad on showdown.

    most people refuse to take pitches. Once you have an actual approach at the plate it becomes significantly easier.

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    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    what youre describing is part of baseball though. sometimes you hit it hard and its an out

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    @midnightdt_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    I reinstalled the game today lol because I'm addicted.

    I'm going to try some of the feedback that you guys have given. I do still wish that they would add a small something for your time but I guess we will see if they read and if they agree with me or not.

    Either way clearly I just need to get better.

    That's the spirit! 👍

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    @midnightdt_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    I reinstalled the game today lol because I'm addicted.

    I'm going to try some of the feedback that you guys have given. I do still wish that they would add a small something for your time but I guess we will see if they read and if they agree with me or not.

    Either way clearly I just need to get bett

    That's the spirit man and my apologies for insensitive comment last night. You will get better, it just takes alot of practice. Have you watched any of the tutorials on YouTube? Just search for MLB The Show 21 tips and tricks. There are some of the top 50 players giving all kinds of tips. I started with Koogs46 and McGunski and learned pretty much by watching those vids and playing way too much during the pandemic.

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    @ny_giants4_life said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    what youre describing is part of baseball though. sometimes you hit it hard and its an out

    Well then maybe y’all should go play real baseball and we can play a video game. Somebody said it right before. You can take good/okay off the screen but it doesn’t mean it ain’t a good okay. I’m sorry I’m trying to like this game but I feel I have absolutely no control. The game just decides when I pass a mission or when i don’t. It’s the reason I dropped the game 2 weeks into last year and it’s the reason the numbers on this game will drop too. Wish it was better but it’s not.

    I am glad y’all enjoy it tho. And if everything works out tomorrow hope the year goes well for y’all.

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    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @ny_giants4_life said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    what youre describing is part of baseball though. sometimes you hit it hard and its an out

    Well then maybe y’all should go play real baseball and we can play a video game. Somebody said it right before. You can take good/okay off the screen but it doesn’t mean it ain’t a good okay. I’m sorry I’m trying to like this game but I feel I have absolutely no control. The game just decides when I pass a mission or when i don’t. It’s the reason I dropped the game 2 weeks into last year and it’s the reason the numbers on this game will drop too. Wish it was better but it’s not.

    idk what to tell you man. people are able to complete these showdowns pretty easy. I do them in about 30 minutes. I get the game isnt perfect and I am not saying it is but blaming the game for something that is very possible for tons of other people to do just doesnt make sense. At one point do you say that maybe its you and stop blaming the game.

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    @ny_giants4_life said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @ny_giants4_life said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    what youre describing is part of baseball though. sometimes you hit it hard and its an out

    Well then maybe y’all should go play real baseball and we can play a video game. Somebody said it right before. You can take good/okay off the screen but it doesn’t mean it ain’t a good okay. I’m sorry I’m trying to like this game but I feel I have absolutely no control. The game just decides when I pass a mission or when i don’t. It’s the reason I dropped the game 2 weeks into last year and it’s the reason the numbers on this game will drop too. Wish it was better but it’s not.

    idk what to tell you man. people are able to complete these showdowns pretty easy. I do them in about 30 minutes. I get the game isnt perfect and I am not saying it is but blaming the game for something that is very possible for tons of other people to do just doesnt make sense. At one point do you say that maybe its you and stop blaming the game.

    Either way it’s still a good reason to hang it up. It’s a decent game other than gameplay and a few other things. And it’s good that the people who work on this game do seem to care. But they can only work with what they have.

    I’m not pretending I’m super good. But it’s pretty obvious that the game gives you hits when it wants and outs when it wants.I’m actually almost done with TA so I do beat them. It’s just not fun at all to be able to tell how little control I have.

    Like you said that’s baseball. It’s the same argument you see all the time in shooter games when people’s guns jam and they lose and they say well that happens in real life.

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    @fullthrottle152_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @guccigangchuck said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @fullthrottle152_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    I'm also new, bad at this game, but I don't mind how showdown is done, it's beatable.

    I believe their online mode needs a redesign though, to help new players. It's too random, find myself matched against vastly superior players way too often. We need a league pyramid type system. Put all us trash players in the bottom league, we can have some enjoyable games against each other. Put the good players in the top league with better rewards.

    Playing against similar skilled players is the best way of improving. It's disheartening for a new player to be matched against experienced skilled players, that's only going to turn new players away from the game.

    Its called ranked for a reason.

    I've played ranked in multiple sports, FPS games over the years. The ranking system is this game is flawed, outdated. I'm not sure if MLB the show has any intention of becoming an eSport, but if they want to grow their playerbase, they need to rework the ranking system.

    A good ranking system starts with a placement games that puts your playerbase into set divisions, depending on their skill level.

    The way it's setup now, the worst player in the world could be matched against the best player in the world at the start of ranked seasons. Current system is also easily exploitable with smurf accounts. A smurf can continually play against lower skilled players in this game. Don't you want the playerbase to grow, the game to become more popular?

    Oh yeah, the CoD system where dumbasses jump down buildings to lower their scores and get ranked down... you know there’s a meter you can adjust to play against people of the same level as you right? So if I’m 550, I can get matched up with someone between 454 and 645

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    Showdown at its core is sort of broken. The mode is fine , the difficulty is fine , but they’ve made it an integral part of a very long grind. People want to earn tickets in the most effecient way possible and tend to rush at bats and such. Patience is key , but for the less skilled that means sacrifice to efficiency. Easiest way to grind for those players , if the team affinities is the goal is to just play vs cpu with an assorted line up of division players. Guaranteed 10 affinity points , win , lose., or draw in the actual games . 250 innings played , not won. There is your participation trophy you’re asking for.

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    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    do you realize that i could care less about what you did in your game? why do you think people care to hear what goes on in your day to day of video game playing?

    if you can't regularly complete showdown with minimal sweating, then you either need to practice more, or turn off the game and find something else to do with your time

    whining on here, trying to create an echo chamber of nonsense is just sad and quite frankly pathetic

    tons of us here float through this years showdowns with ease - and many of us enjoy the game - so take a puff on that and digest

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    @midnightdt_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    Hello this post is not meant to be a hate post it's just meant to be feedback.

    I am not very good at this game. I own and I admit that, I'm like a 400 or 500 skill level in head to head. If that. I very often struggle to make hits and score runs.

    I've accepted that I'm not that good and I still enjoy building a team by doing all the offline content, And then I like to go online occasionally with my team and see if I can get some wins.

    The showdown mode broke me. I ended up uninstalling the game because of it.. that game mode is actually quite fun but it's all or nothing nature is extremely frustrating for bad or new players. You can spend an hour on a run and if you don't beat the final boss you get literally nothing. Maybe some XP but that's it.

    I really feel like if you make it to the final boss and lose you should still get at least one ticket I mean what's one ticket it's nothing. But it's better than literally nothing... If you win you should get five and if you lose you should get one. Maybe make it so you can't skip to the end(and still get the 1 guaranteed ticket) if you're worried about people just cheesing to get one ticket. But if you actually play through it all beat the middle boss and then lose in the final getting nothing is heartbreaking.

    It happened to me four times in a row and that combined with the fact that I suck and lose online all the time I was just like what am I doing with my life why am I playing this game.

    I hope this feedback is well received If a change such as this were to be made I will probably reinstall and come back because at least then I could feel like I could grind away and get the characters I want even if I'm bad and I lose to the boss half the time or more.

    The issue is, if I got 1 ticket for just getting to the end, I'd simply skip to the final boss (which you can do), and then set my controller down and go to sleep.

    I promise you can improve at this though. Quitting and hanging up the cleats does nothing.

    Watch some tutorials online and work on it. I promise it takes time but you will get better with this, as with anything.

    Another great skill - sit and don't swing. Especially in showdowns. I promise you most of the CPU pitchers will groove a pitch when they're down 3-0, or they'll walk you, and then there's your chance to score a guy without much effort put in.

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    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    do you realize that i could care less about what you did in your game? why do you think people care to hear what goes on in your day to day of video game playing?

    if you can't regularly complete showdown with minimal sweating, then you either need to practice more, or turn off the game and find something else to do with your time

    whining on here, trying to create an echo chamber of nonsense is just sad and quite frankly pathetic

    tons of us here float through this years showdowns with ease - and many of us enjoy the game - so take a puff on that and digest

    Just sharing my thoughts. Just like OP did and yet you thought what you had to say was important. News flash it wasn’t. You don’t want to read what I say hit ignore. Trust me my life won’t change, I won’t notice and I won’t care. Puff in that and digest it internet warrior.

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    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    do you realize that i could care less about what you did in your game? why do you think people care to hear what goes on in your day to day of video game playing?

    if you can't regularly complete showdown with minimal sweating, then you either need to practice more, or turn off the game and find something else to do with your time

    whining on here, trying to create an echo chamber of nonsense is just sad and quite frankly pathetic

    tons of us here float through this years showdowns with ease - and many of us enjoy the game - so take a puff on that and digest

    Just sharing my thoughts. Just like OP did and yet you thought what you had to say was important. News flash it wasn’t. You don’t want to read what I say hit ignore. Trust me my life won’t change, I won’t notice and I won’t care. Puff in that and digest it internet warrior.

    By the way, not for nothing, it was interesting clicking on your profile and seeing you whine in 2020 about gameplay. Absolutely Priceless. Now don’t you have a wife to beat or a dog to kick. Be gone with you.

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    ^[censored] that's harsh.

    so anyway I finally won a showdown. I went flawless in the missions and went in 12-12. I still barely won I was down to like 4 or 5 outs. It's so stressful I swear.
    Got my first 42 series player. SP Jose Berrios. I like him so far.

    I STILL think for those who do not skip to the end there should be a guaranteed something. But atleast I finally won one lol.

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    @midnightdt_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    ^[censored] that's harsh.

    so anyway I finally won a showdown. I went flawless in the missions and went in 12-12. I still barely won I was down to like 4 or 5 outs. It's so stressful I swear.
    Got my first 42 series player. SP Jose Berrios. I like him so far.

    I STILL think for those who do not skip to the end there should be a guaranteed something. But atleast I finally won one lol.

    Thank god. Mods can we lock this thread? He reinstalled.

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    @bjd10048842_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @midnightdt_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    ^[censored] that's harsh.

    so anyway I finally won a showdown. I went flawless in the missions and went in 12-12. I still barely won I was down to like 4 or 5 outs. It's so stressful I swear.
    Got my first 42 series player. SP Jose Berrios. I like him so far.

    I STILL think for those who do not skip to the end there should be a guaranteed something. But atleast I finally won one lol.

    Thank god. Mods can we lock this thread? He reinstalled.

    If they want to lock it they can but I stand by what I said and still feel my feedback would improve the game. That is all. I will leave it at that The devs can do what they think is best. If they even see this.

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    @locutusofburg said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @guccigangchuck said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @fullthrottle152_mlbts said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    I'm also new, bad at this game, but I don't mind how showdown is done, it's beatable.

    I believe their online mode needs a redesign though, to help new players. It's too random, find myself matched against vastly superior players way too often. We need a league pyramid type system. Put all us trash players in the bottom league, we can have some enjoyable games against each other. Put the good players in the top league with better rewards.

    Playing against similar skilled players is the best way of improving. It's disheartening for a new player to be matched against experienced skilled players, that's only going to turn new players away from the game.

    Its called ranked for a reason.

    “Look at me I’m good at a game! Let me insult anyone else”

    You’re a loser.

    "git good" (;

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    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @untchable704_psn said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    @thehungryhole said in Showdown made me uninstall the game (feedback):

    showdown is incredibly easy - by far the easiest compared to other years games - this OP is typical of what is wrong with younger generations today - they always want the rewards without putting the work in

    Or maybe and it’s quite possible the game isn’t good. I’m in a mini thing right now. Need 6 total. So far have 1 and 4 outs. Out of 4 outs I’ve slammed 2 [censored] good and inside the pci off center and slammed one for a hr that was robbed. What part of this is fixed by getting good? Everything should be perfect perfect and hope they don’t make a diving catch or rob a homerun? I’m truly interested because I can tell you I’m not bad at the game but I’m f’ing tired of playing it. Idk maybe they want only a handful of people playing.

    do you realize that i could care less about what you did in your game? why do you think people care to hear what goes on in your day to day of video game playing?

    if you can't regularly complete showdown with minimal sweating, then you either need to practice more, or turn off the game and find something else to do with your time

    whining on here, trying to create an echo chamber of nonsense is just sad and quite frankly pathetic

    tons of us here float through this years showdowns with ease - and many of us enjoy the game - so take a puff on that and digest

    Just sharing my thoughts. Just like OP did and yet you thought what you had to say was important. News flash it wasn’t. You don’t want to read what I say hit ignore. Trust me my life won’t change, I won’t notice and I won’t care. Puff in that and digest it internet warrior.

    you love to try and have the last word but at the end of the day your word means absolutely nothing - no one is trying to be tough here, you just love to argue with random people on the internet - remember your voice means absolutely nothing mate and no one cares what you have to say

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