Thanks for ruining the fun
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@PAinPA said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
Hitting .400 isn't realistic but if they made pitching better the avgs would come down
Now both hitting and pitching suck.Hitting 400 in a video game is perfectly realistic. This isn’t a sim
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I agree, i was using his point against him
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If ,and that's a big if cause I liked it the way it was, hitting was too easy, the fix is pitching,which many agreed wasn't good.
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I'm still getting rewarded for my good swings. Every player in my lineup still has over an 1.000 OPS. It's weird that doesn't seem to be the case for most people, but I'm hitting just fine.
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Since the patch even most of my perfect swings are just 110mph line drives right at infielders.
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@tituszeusG said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
No. Remember good hitters hit .300 not .400+ in real life. Pitching was getting smashed by players that just middle swing without moving their pci. That was bs. Make it real.
Lmao if the absolute best players in this game could only hit .300 then most players would be hitting like .150. I’m sure nobody wants that.
Edit: I also wanna point out that Ted Williams hit .406 in 1941 and Tony Gwynn almost did in 1994 so it’s not like we haven’t seen high batting averages in real life.
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To everyone saying hitting was op...we were less than week into a new game, 95% of us were playing RS on all star difficulty against pitchers with bad stats who couldnt locate pitches....just try to fix fielding bugs and pitching smh im sure the game was playing fine on hall of fame/legend difficulty...i havent been that excited to play and grind since 16...now i literally dont know what do, i still cant locate pitches and im winning/loosing low scoring games because of a hr or late hits...it [censored] me off so much because every year is the same story...maybe its just me tho
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They just patched it before barely anyone even made it to hof diffulty which is stupid and goes against their analytical feed back reasoning
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@eatyum said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
I'm still getting rewarded for my good swings. Every player in my lineup still has over an 1.000 OPS. It's weird that doesn't seem to be the case for most people, but I'm hitting just fine.
I'm 8-1 since the patch. My whole teams OPS is 1.223. But I'm also able to recognize what's really happening and it's a mix of a bunch of things including terrible pitching, and inconsistently rewarded swings.
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@MrGamebred said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
@eatyum said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
I'm still getting rewarded for my good swings. Every player in my lineup still has over an 1.000 OPS. It's weird that doesn't seem to be the case for most people, but I'm hitting just fine.
I'm 8-1 since the patch. My whole teams OPS is 1.223. But I'm also able to recognize what's really happening and it's a mix of a bunch of things including terrible pitching, and inconsistently rewarded swings.
But the terrible pitching existed since the beginning. It wasn't a patch thing, I was hanging pitches day one.
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This is a sim baseball game. That’s what makes it great. In baseball you hit balls hard right at guys sometimes. I personally think the game is much better now. Guys were hitting home runs on balls that had no business being a homerun. Should be rewarded for hitting your spots as a pitcher.
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@eatyum said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
But the terrible pitching existed since the beginning. It wasn't a patch thing, I was hanging pitches day one.
You're right about the pitching. I'm just saying it remains a large problem.
And I still think hitting is a mess man. I play conquest on legend/HOF. Never have a problem. Consistently would make it to the higher end of CS in 19. placed 11th in ESL.
This isn't to brag, because I'm not great at this game, this is to make a point that we ALL agreed 19 was a mess but the top players were still able to overcome, however rage-inducing it might have been.
SDS sold us on 20 over INPUT mattering and we wouldn't see exactly what we are seeing right now. Exactly the same way it went down in 19. -
@MrGamebred said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
@eatyum said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
But the terrible pitching existed since the beginning. It wasn't a patch thing, I was hanging pitches day one.
You're right about the pitching. I'm just saying it remains a large problem.
And I still think hitting is a mess man. I play conquest on legend/HOF. Never have a problem. Consistently would make it to the higher end of CS in 19. placed 11th in ESL.
This isn't to brag, because I'm not great at this game, this is to make a point that we ALL agreed 19 was a mess but the top players were still able to overcome, however rage-inducing it might have been.
SDS sold us on 20 over INPUT mattering and we wouldn't see exactly what we are seeing right now. Exactly the same way it went down in 19.I'm not saying hitting is perfect, or even really good right now. But it is better than 2019 and with so many people going to the other extreme. (In another post someone said this MLB has the worst hitting EVER), I feel like I have to go to that other extreme.
Maybe that sounds silly, and it probably is. But people tend to be extremely hyperbolic.
Input is def being rewarded more than 2019, all my hitters have an over 1.000 OPS. Thats not me saying input is fine, maybe it should matter more, but I guess what I'm trying to say is I get annoyed at people who are so over dramatic, which tends to make me over dramatic on the other side. -
@eatyum said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
I'm not saying hitting is perfect, or even really good right now. But it is better than 2019 and with so many people going to the other extreme. (In another post someone said this MLB has the worst hitting EVER), I feel like I have to go to that other extreme.
Maybe that sounds silly, and it probably is. But people tend to be extremely hyperbolic.
Input is def being rewarded more than 2019, all my hitters have an over 1.000 OPS. Thats not me saying input is fine, maybe it should matter more, but I guess what I'm trying to say is I get annoyed at people who are so over dramatic, which tends to make me over dramatic on the other side.Okay, well I see where you're coming from, there are some out of control conversations going on and it's frustrating. that's why I want to try and be objextive as I can. And so I can admit, it's even a bit dramatic to call it a "mess" on my part. It's better than 19 for sure, but I'm just scared I'm witnessing it head straight down that path again and after the way they sold this game, I'm a little disappointed rn.
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@bluetractorman22 said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
This is a sim baseball game. That’s what makes it great. In baseball you hit balls hard right at guys sometimes. I personally think the game is much better now. Guys were hitting home runs on balls that had no business being a homerun. Should be rewarded for hitting your spots as a pitcher.
It has sim aspects but as soon as you add user input into the equation then it becomes decidedly less so.
In a game where the best players can hit .400 with a bronze player while the worst players struggle to hit .250 with a diamond player then you can't really say that it is a true sim. But. it is the closest thing the consoles have.
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This game feels exactly like 19.
Hitting was what made everyone love the game for the first week.
SDS needs to reverse the patch. If they want to nerf hitting, they should:
Leave hitting alone
Increase pitch speeds so that they are level with 19
Leave hitting alone
Increase the size of the strike zone so that a pitch that clips the corner is a strike, not a ball (like real life)
Leave hitting alone
Buff pitching control so that people can spot pitches if they can achieve good feedback
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Hitting is not worse than ever, but it is much less rewarding than launch and a tad more random with more Perfect/Perfect and Good/Good’s coming back as Good/Okay routine outs. It’s random when the feedback and hit results come back Good/Okay vs Perfect/Perfect.
For the sim heads and/or Devs the results are satisfying, ie. Scores, HR’s and ERA’s being more in line etc. For online gamers looking for a fun competitive experience the game feels a lot more contrived, feeling much less responsive/input based and much less fun.
The watered down hitting in combination with the completely random pitching equals a less fun and fulfilling experience.
They definitely should have tuned pitching before or in sync with the hitting changes. Just nerfing hitting while not addressing pitching other than pitch speeds leaves a lot of us with little desire to play.
Yes people are still having success hitting and tons of people are still playing a lot, but the gameplay feels much less engaging, intuitive and dynamic.
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@tituszeusG said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
No. Remember good hitters hit .300 not .400+ in real life. Pitching was getting smashed by players that just middle swing without moving their pci. That was bs. Make it real.
Making it “real” means that user input has almost no meaning. I can live with it if someone beats me by outplaying me. What frustrates myself (and a lot of other players) is losing/nailbiters because the game is turning into a sim. If they want to make hitting harder, then up pitch speeds and shrink the pci. The timing window is absolutely cucked right now.
But hey, wanting the game to be “real” or a sim says all we need to know
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@Harryhukari33 said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
@tituszeusG said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
No. Remember good hitters hit .300 not .400+ in real life. Pitching was getting smashed by players that just middle swing without moving their pci. That was bs. Make it real.
Making it “real” means that user input has almost no meaning. I can live with it if someone beats me by outplaying me. What frustrates myself (and a lot of other players) is losing/nailbiters because the game is turning into a sim. If they want to make hitting harder, then up pitch speeds and shrink the pci. The timing window is absolutely cucked right now.
But hey, wanting the game to be “real” or a sim says all we need to know
️Yeah. a sim lol. Bc a human with a controller moving a cursor around the screen for every batter is realistic.....want sim, us directional
Bc through low changeups and high sinkers over and over is realistic.. these dudes want a sim, yet spam the same pitch over and over Bc it works ion a video game...want a sim, then start pitching with the percentages of real baseball and throw mostly fastballs
Bc Mickey mantle, Griffey , and trout all played together. Want a sim only use live series players from the same team. Once a year you can make a leagues best all star team, but only use them one game
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@tituszeusG said in Thanks for ruining the fun:
No. Remember good hitters hit .300 not .400+ in real life. Pitching was getting smashed by players that just middle swing without moving their pci. That was bs. Make it real.
Most people on here aren’t hitting .400. The top players are hitting around and over .400 but that’s a small percentage of the player base. I had a game last night I was down 1 run against kluber against a top 10 player in the world. Two perfect/perfect fly balls in the 9th just to be caught as outs. One with mike trout. That shouldn’t happen. They literally said the complete opposite in their stream. A guy with 100+ power should be a guaranteed homer with perfect/.perfect. This game is 19 with different rosters right now.
