Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?
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@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
He also stole an MVP from Todd Helton so that alone withdraws him from being allowed in the HOF bc Helton is cool af. That mvp results still irks me
How did he steal an MVP from Helton?
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Kent is 19th on the 2B WAR list, behind ...
Whitaker
Grich
Cano
Randolph
UtleyVirtually tied w/ Kinsler
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@SaveFarris said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Kent is 19th on the 2B WAR list, behind ...
Whitaker
Grich
Cano
Randolph
UtleyVirtually tied w/ Kinsler
Harold Baines has entered the chat...
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@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
He also stole an MVP from Todd Helton so that alone withdraws him from being allowed in the HOF bc Helton is cool af. That mvp results still irks me
How did he steal an MVP from Helton?
Look at the 2000 season. Helton beats Kent in every major category. Kent just had better team
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@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
He also stole an MVP from Todd Helton so that alone withdraws him from being allowed in the HOF bc Helton is cool af. That mvp results still irks me
How did he steal an MVP from Helton?
Look at the 2000 season. Helton beats Kent in every major category. Kent just had better team
Jeff Kent is the worst. Team Todd !
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@abbyspapa said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@SaveFarris said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Kent is 19th on the 2B WAR list, behind ...
Whitaker
Grich
Cano
Randolph
UtleyVirtually tied w/ Kinsler
Harold Baines has entered the chat...
There are definitely some bad HOFers. Baines is ranked 74th in Right Fielder JAWS behind guys like Shin-Soo Choo and 27-year-old Bryce Harper.
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@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
He also stole an MVP from Todd Helton so that alone withdraws him from being allowed in the HOF bc Helton is cool af. That mvp results still irks me
How did he steal an MVP from Helton?
Look at the 2000 season. Helton beats Kent in every major category. Kent just had better team
That’s an entirely different argument, for which there are pros and cons for both players. It's hard to say he stole an award from a guy that came in 5th place in the voting and only had one 1st place vote.
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He may have been a solid offensive 2B, but he was offensively inept and wildly clueless when he was on Survivor: Philippines, which had perhaps the weakest casts in the history of the series. If you get trounced by a guy who fell faceass first into a fire, then you don’t deserve to be on the show or in the Hall.
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@abbyspapa said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
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Did Harold Baines play 2B?
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I think he was just overlooked because Clark Kent did so many great things. When you live in the shadow of a famous relative like that, even an MVP seems like a small accomplishment.
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@SaveFarris said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@abbyspapa said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Harold Baines has entered the chat...
Did Harold Baines play 2B?
Nah, he realized you didn't even need to play a fielding position to get elected.
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@DeadPhish1976 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Jeff Kent was absolutely everything that is being said. A red a$$, douche, etc....That though, should not keep someone out of the hall of fame. As a Padre fan I watched Kent play through the prime of his career with the Giants, and then the Dodgers and he was VERY good. Always a dangerous hitter and hated seeing him come up in clutch situations against my Padres. However, I don't think he was quite on the hall of fame level. The hall of fame is reserved for the absolute best of the best and I don't know if I can put Jeff Kent in that category. Again, a very, very, very good player but not sure about hall of fame caliber.
I look at the Hall the same way. I only want the truly greats to be enshrined. Having said that, if Kent were to some day make it in I wouldn't feel the need to grab pitchforks and torches.
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@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
He also stole an MVP from Todd Helton so that alone withdraws him from being allowed in the HOF bc Helton is cool af. That mvp results still irks me
How did he steal an MVP from Helton?
Look at the 2000 season. Helton beats Kent in every major category. Kent just had better team
That’s an entirely different argument, for which there are pros and cons for both players. It's hard to say he stole an award from a guy that came in 5th place in the voting and only had one 1st place vote.
Also, while Helton was clearly the better hitter (and very arguable the better player) but he had some things going against him. Firstly, right or wrong, voters would devalue his offensive output due to the Coors effect. Then many voters will devalue a player if his team doesn't win. The Giants were a great team that year and Kent was a big reason why. Whereas, the Rockies were a barely .500 team.
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Just goes to show that the way you treat people matters. There is no mathematical formula or baseline stats that get a player into the HoF. Actual human beings vote, so if a guy treats many of those people who have a vote like trash, we can’t really be surprised when they don’t vote for him.
Besides, there has to be really good players that are left out. That’s what makes the Hall the Hall. Kent was a good player, but not good enough for the voters to overlook his d-baggery.
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@maurice91932 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Just goes to show that the way you treat people matters. There is no mathematical formula or baseline stats that get a player into the HoF. Actual human beings vote, so if a guy treats many of those people who have a vote like trash, we can’t really be surprised when they don’t vote for him.
Besides, there has to be really good players that are left out. That’s what makes the Hall the Hall. Kent was a good player, but not good enough for the voters to overlook his d-baggery.
As someone who definitely believes that people should treat other people with respect, I do think it is kind of crazy that that even gets thrown in to the argument for hall of fame. I'm not saying whether or not Kent deserves to be in the hall but at the end of the day it's the baseball hall of fame, not the nice person hall of fame. It should be purely about if his baseball career on the field was good enough to be in the hall. Nothing outside of that should matter (beside cheating).
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Most home runs 351 for a second baseman in the live ball era 74 more than Ryne sandberg second on the list.
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@abbyspapa said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@SaveFarris said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
Kent is 19th on the 2B WAR list, behind ...
Whitaker
Grich
Cano
Randolph
UtleyVirtually tied w/ Kinsler
Harold Baines has entered the chat...
Everyone knows baines didn’t deserve it and that he’s only in because Larussa and Reinsdorf shoved him in through the veterans committee, which they were members of at the time.
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These are baseball writers who are easily offended and petty. Objectively speaking he's top 10 offensively for 2B all time, most HR's with 377. His career defensively was average.
There isn't a baseball argument for why he shouldn't be in the HOF.
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
These are baseball writers who are easily offended and petty. Objectively speaking he's top 10 offensively for 2B all time, most HR's with 377. His career defensively was average.
There isn't a baseball argument for why he shouldn't be in the HOF.
yes but numbers don't vote. If they don't believe that he should be immortalized with players like Ruth, Musial, and Mays, then they won't vote for him.
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@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dewrock said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
@dommycals007 said in Why isnt Jeff Kent in the HOF?:
He also stole an MVP from Todd Helton so that alone withdraws him from being allowed in the HOF bc Helton is cool af. That mvp results still irks me
How did he steal an MVP from Helton?
Look at the 2000 season. Helton beats Kent in every major category. Kent just had better team
That’s an entirely different argument, for which there are pros and cons for both players. It's hard to say he stole an award from a guy that came in 5th place in the voting and only had one 1st place vote.
Aside from “he plays in Colorado” give me one con to why he shouldn’t win MVP. Led national league in average (.372), ops, hits, rbis, WAR, on base %, slugging, total bases, doubles and had 42 homers. Kent had 33. So tell me how anybody else winning the mvp wasn’t total robbery from Helton. You don’t know baseball if you don’t think Helton should’ve won honkey
