Mariano might be useless.
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@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
To make him play realistically, they need to have it programmed realistically. Do not give him pitches he did not throw. Program the game to where it is harder for the batter you are controlling to make good contact with the ball. This has always been the problem with zone hitting. Just bc the user can identify the cutter and it’s location, does not mean the batter you are controlling can.
Why even have the controller in your hand then?
You miss the point. For the game to be realistic every player must feel unique and play to their real life counterparts. If players are not properly represented in the game than there is no point to ever upgrading your team or getting excited about new players bc it wouldn’t matter. When you have too much user input, the game cannot appropriately represent each player in a realistic fashion. For example, a pitchers fastball. Of course the user can see it, but to represent the actual sport of baseball and the players you are controlling, outcomes need to be determined more heavily on the players actual abilities. User input should all be about decision making with individual players abilities. A lot of players struggled against marionas fastball, that needs to be represented in the game.
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@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
To make him play realistically, they need to have it programmed realistically. Do not give him pitches he did not throw. Program the game to where it is harder for the batter you are controlling to make good contact with the ball. This has always been the problem with zone hitting. Just bc the user can identify the cutter and it’s location, does not mean the batter you are controlling can.
Why even have the controller in your hand then?
You miss the point. For the game to be realistic every player must feel unique and play to their real life counterparts. If players are not properly represented in the game than there is no point to ever upgrading your team or getting excited about new players bc it wouldn’t matter. When you have too much user input, the game cannot appropriately represent each player in a realistic fashion. For example, a pitchers fastball. Of course the user can see it, but to represent the actual sport of baseball and the players you are controlling, outcomes need to be determined more heavily on the players actual abilities. User input should all be about decision making with individual players abilities. A lot of players struggled against marionas fastball, that needs to be represented in the game.
I think the game should be 90% user input. I feel like the last few years it’s been about 60% which leaves to way too much chance.
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@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
To make him play realistically, they need to have it programmed realistically. Do not give him pitches he did not throw. Program the game to where it is harder for the batter you are controlling to make good contact with the ball. This has always been the problem with zone hitting. Just bc the user can identify the cutter and it’s location, does not mean the batter you are controlling can.
Why even have the controller in your hand then?
You miss the point. For the game to be realistic every player must feel unique and play to their real life counterparts. If players are not properly represented in the game than there is no point to ever upgrading your team or getting excited about new players bc it wouldn’t matter. When you have too much user input, the game cannot appropriately represent each player in a realistic fashion. For example, a pitchers fastball. Of course the user can see it, but to represent the actual sport of baseball and the players you are controlling, outcomes need to be determined more heavily on the players actual abilities. User input should all be about decision making with individual players abilities. A lot of players struggled against marionas fastball, that needs to be represented in the game.
I didn’t miss the point. Stats matter in other ways that make it more difficult or easier for the user. Stats don’t and shouldn’t place the PCI on the ball with good timing. That’s the users job
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@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
To make him play realistically, they need to have it programmed realistically. Do not give him pitches he did not throw. Program the game to where it is harder for the batter you are controlling to make good contact with the ball. This has always been the problem with zone hitting. Just bc the user can identify the cutter and it’s location, does not mean the batter you are controlling can.
Why even have the controller in your hand then?
You miss the point. For the game to be realistic every player must feel unique and play to their real life counterparts. If players are not properly represented in the game than there is no point to ever upgrading your team or getting excited about new players bc it wouldn’t matter. When you have too much user input, the game cannot appropriately represent each player in a realistic fashion. For example, a pitchers fastball. Of course the user can see it, but to represent the actual sport of baseball and the players you are controlling, outcomes need to be determined more heavily on the players actual abilities. User input should all be about decision making with individual players abilities. A lot of players struggled against marionas fastball, that needs to be represented in the game.
I didn’t miss the point. Stats matter in other ways that make it more difficult or easier for the user. Stats don’t and shouldn’t place the PCI on the ball with good timing. That’s the users job
Difference of opinion I suppose. I want a realistic, authentic baseball experience. You want an arcade type game where it’s all about you and the controller. That’s fine, but sim nation is strong.
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@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
To make him play realistically, they need to have it programmed realistically. Do not give him pitches he did not throw. Program the game to where it is harder for the batter you are controlling to make good contact with the ball. This has always been the problem with zone hitting. Just bc the user can identify the cutter and it’s location, does not mean the batter you are controlling can.
Why even have the controller in your hand then?
You miss the point. For the game to be realistic every player must feel unique and play to their real life counterparts. If players are not properly represented in the game than there is no point to ever upgrading your team or getting excited about new players bc it wouldn’t matter. When you have too much user input, the game cannot appropriately represent each player in a realistic fashion. For example, a pitchers fastball. Of course the user can see it, but to represent the actual sport of baseball and the players you are controlling, outcomes need to be determined more heavily on the players actual abilities. User input should all be about decision making with individual players abilities. A lot of players struggled against marionas fastball, that needs to be represented in the game.
I didn’t miss the point. Stats matter in other ways that make it more difficult or easier for the user. Stats don’t and shouldn’t place the PCI on the ball with good timing. That’s the users job
Difference of opinion I suppose. I want a realistic, authentic baseball experience. You want an arcade type game where it’s all about you and the controller. That’s fine, but sim nation is strong.
get better at the game
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@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
They will give Rivera at least a changeup and a complementary hard 4SFB. And that cutter will have HUGE break. Evidence is what they've done with Zack Britton. When he was having his insanely dominant years with the O's he threw something like 97% sinkers at 96-98. SDS gave him something more like his old starter repertoire.
This isn’t really related to any of your points, but that 2016 flashback britton should be WAY better than what SDS makes it.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
They will give Rivera at least a changeup and a complementary hard 4SFB. And that cutter will have HUGE break. Evidence is what they've done with Zack Britton. When he was having his insanely dominant years with the O's he threw something like 97% sinkers at 96-98. SDS gave him something more like his old starter repertoire.
This isn’t really related to any of your points, but that 2016 flashback britton should be WAY better than what SDS makes it.
That guy was untouchable
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@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
They will give Rivera at least a changeup and a complementary hard 4SFB. And that cutter will have HUGE break. Evidence is what they've done with Zack Britton. When he was having his insanely dominant years with the O's he threw something like 97% sinkers at 96-98. SDS gave him something more like his old starter repertoire.
This isn’t really related to any of your points, but that 2016 flashback britton should be WAY better than what SDS makes it.
That guy was untouchable
803 ERA+
For reference, Rivera’s best was 316. Obviously he was much, much more consistent though lol. But 803 is the highest I’ve ever seen for a reliever.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
They will give Rivera at least a changeup and a complementary hard 4SFB. And that cutter will have HUGE break. Evidence is what they've done with Zack Britton. When he was having his insanely dominant years with the O's he threw something like 97% sinkers at 96-98. SDS gave him something more like his old starter repertoire.
This isn’t really related to any of your points, but that 2016 flashback britton should be WAY better than what SDS makes it.
That guy was untouchable
803 ERA+
For reference, Rivera’s best was 316. Obviously he was much, much more consistent though lol. But 803 is the highest I’ve ever seen for a reliever.
That is hilariously high. All I remember as a Jays fan is "here comes a three-up three-down with two k's and a weak grounder" every-time he entered the game.
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@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
They will give Rivera at least a changeup and a complementary hard 4SFB. And that cutter will have HUGE break. Evidence is what they've done with Zack Britton. When he was having his insanely dominant years with the O's he threw something like 97% sinkers at 96-98. SDS gave him something more like his old starter repertoire.
This isn’t really related to any of your points, but that 2016 flashback britton should be WAY better than what SDS makes it.
That guy was untouchable
803 ERA+
For reference, Rivera’s best was 316. Obviously he was much, much more consistent though lol. But 803 is the highest I’ve ever seen for a reliever.
That is hilariously high. All I remember as a Jays fan is "here comes a three-up three-down with two k's and a weak grounder" every-time he entered the game.
Hah - so as a Jays fan you also remember when his a$$ was on the pine while Ubaldo was giving up a walkoff bomb to Encarnacion
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@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
They will give Rivera at least a changeup and a complementary hard 4SFB. And that cutter will have HUGE break. Evidence is what they've done with Zack Britton. When he was having his insanely dominant years with the O's he threw something like 97% sinkers at 96-98. SDS gave him something more like his old starter repertoire.
This isn’t really related to any of your points, but that 2016 flashback britton should be WAY better than what SDS makes it.
That guy was untouchable
803 ERA+
For reference, Rivera’s best was 316. Obviously he was much, much more consistent though lol. But 803 is the highest I’ve ever seen for a reliever.
That is hilariously high. All I remember as a Jays fan is "here comes a three-up three-down with two k's and a weak grounder" every-time he entered the game.
Hah - so as a Jays fan you also remember when his a$$ was on the pine while Ubaldo was giving up a walkoff bomb to Encarnacion
Yes. Glorious. I will forever be indebted to Buck Showalter for that genius managerial decision.
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@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Mariano might be useless.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@graymendes said in Mariano might be useless.:
They will give Rivera at least a changeup and a complementary hard 4SFB. And that cutter will have HUGE break. Evidence is what they've done with Zack Britton. When he was having his insanely dominant years with the O's he threw something like 97% sinkers at 96-98. SDS gave him something more like his old starter repertoire.
This isn’t really related to any of your points, but that 2016 flashback britton should be WAY better than what SDS makes it.
That guy was untouchable
803 ERA+
For reference, Rivera’s best was 316. Obviously he was much, much more consistent though lol. But 803 is the highest I’ve ever seen for a reliever.
That is hilariously high. All I remember as a Jays fan is "here comes a three-up three-down with two k's and a weak grounder" every-time he entered the game.
Hah - so as a Jays fan you also remember when his a$$ was on the pine while Ubaldo was giving up a walkoff bomb to Encarnacion
Yes. Glorious. I will forever be indebted to Buck Showalter for that genius managerial decision.
That sound you hear is my giant Orioles fan sigh
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@A_PerfectGame said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
@saintsfan_1029 said in Mariano might be useless.:
@sean_87_ said in Mariano might be useless.:
To make him play realistically, they need to have it programmed realistically. Do not give him pitches he did not throw. Program the game to where it is harder for the batter you are controlling to make good contact with the ball. This has always been the problem with zone hitting. Just bc the user can identify the cutter and it’s location, does not mean the batter you are controlling can.
Why even have the controller in your hand then?
You miss the point. For the game to be realistic every player must feel unique and play to their real life counterparts. If players are not properly represented in the game than there is no point to ever upgrading your team or getting excited about new players bc it wouldn’t matter. When you have too much user input, the game cannot appropriately represent each player in a realistic fashion. For example, a pitchers fastball. Of course the user can see it, but to represent the actual sport of baseball and the players you are controlling, outcomes need to be determined more heavily on the players actual abilities. User input should all be about decision making with individual players abilities. A lot of players struggled against marionas fastball, that needs to be represented in the game.
I think the game should be 90% user input. I feel like the last few years it’s been about 60% which leaves to way too much chance.
60% would probably seem like an improvement!
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@MrGamebred said in Mariano might be useless.:
@CHI-TOWN-WONDER said in Mariano might be useless.:
From what SDS said in one of there streams pitchers with a dominant pitch will have a quirk. I think its called outliner
Makes fastball faster, cutters cut more etc. So I think he'll be fine.That quirk is only for guys that regularly top 100 on the gun. I don't think Rivera will have that, but I do think they make his cutter nasty.
That's what I was saying. It's not only for fastballs going faster from what SDS said it affects their primary pitch.
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I think that his higher diamond card will be juiced. His 87 however is something that really is going to depend on his speed differential and pitch selection. Maddux is the same in my opinion. I have a feeling both of them will get rocked
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@Jbane199 said in Mariano might be useless.:
I think that his higher diamond card will be juiced. His 87 however is something that really is going to depend on his speed differential and pitch selection. Maddux is the same in my opinion. I have a feeling both of them will get rocked
Per fangraphs Mariano threw a Four-seam, two-seam, and his famous cutter. So his 87 is essentially going to be a pretty easy to see card
I think SDS will throw a changeup in on his sig series card. -
Everyone should have a digital bat and they need to stand in their living room trying to hit. If they can't physically hit it themselves with proper form then "get good". Let's step up the skill gap. It would take into account bat speed and you'd have to use an actually weight bat. So you can choose like a 34/32 or if you're a twerp you can opt for a 30/21. Then the bat will just break in half and a hand will come through the screen and point and laugh.
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@NDStew_32 said in Mariano might be useless.:
Everyone should have a digital bat and they need to stand in their living room trying to hit. If they can't physically hit it themselves with proper form then "get good". Let's step up the skill gap. It would take into account bat speed and you'd have to use an actually weight bat. So you can choose like a 34/32 or if you're a twerp you can opt for a 30/21. Then the bat will just break in half and a hand will come through the screen and point and laugh.
We already have this, it’s called Wii Sports
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Yea but it's not a realistic bat where you actually need to produce realistic swing speeds. Vegetables can sit in a chair and flick their wrist and hit home runs. Since we're talking skill I'd like people to actually show some physical skill
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@daywokker said in Mariano might be useless.:
kenley jansen also throws cutters 95% of the time in real life
...and that's exactly why I think people are over-exaggerating quite a bit with this idea that Rivera will be bad. When I pitch with Jansen, I throw his cutter about 85% of the time and he was my best pitcher all year in The Show 19.
Considering Mariano Rivera's cutter is considered the best ever, I would think SDS would make it a high priority to get it right.
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