Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...
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@MaxHarvest said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@xElRojo44x said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Good post OP.
A couple of years ago, I was thinking the same as you, after I had just played someone in Korea. The mileage between connections definitely seems to matter...but there is probably more to it, than just the (peer to peer) distance.
I have been hoping SDS could find a solution for this.....as this has been the biggest problem of RS h2h gameplay. What I do not understand, is why Events seem to play so much better than RS h2h and BR, at least from my experiences over the last 3-4 years. Maybe that is just a coincidence... But either way, I also hope that the next gen fixes this, somehow.
I also agree those “bad games” don’t seem to happen in events at all. It’s all ranked.
Now that you mention it... No, they don't.
I just played a game where I knew I was going to lose, I mean I had no chance. He's pitching Greinke and I can barely see his fastball. I ended up bunting, and guessing right and hitting some dingers but he ended up winning in the 10th. Not once was I able to throw a Chapman fastball by him when I brought him in in the 10th, meanwhile Greinke's 93mph fastball was in the glove seemingly before I swung.
It was a good game, close loss, 1 run game, extra inning, but only because I was forced to wear a blindfold and hit with 1 arm while my FB's were neutered to BP speed.
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I live in England and the game has always played as described in OP for me. I don’t mean ‘20, I mean MLB the Show, from ‘16 to ‘20. It’s horrific at times, there’s no consistency whatsoever and you have no idea what you’ll be dealing with from one game to the next. From 200mph fastballs on all star, to teleporting pitches and fielders, to not being able to make good input due to the lag, this game is awful online at times and there’s nothing you can do to mitigate it. I have a fast connection, hard wired internet, Kontrol Freeks, a monitor, various pairs of glasses that allegedly enhance your vision, everything, all just for MLB The Show. Sadly - It’s the game, nothing you can do. Bad design for a game that relies on millisecond reactions and precise timing.
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Here’s a classic example of the issues I encounter in online play daily, through no fault of my own, I might add. Hopefully SDS might realise why we complain if they see enough of this kind of thing.
TLDR; 1st inning, Cobb bunts the ball but hits it straight to 99 Alomar at 2B. He elects to play it barehand, which obviously increases the likelihood of a misplay, but he is an elite defender at his position. He puts his hand up, the ball goes through his hand, through his bat, into his head, presumably deflects off his skull or brain and lands behind him for an infield single. I can’t win when I’m handicapped to this extent. For the record, I do see some shady things happen to my opponents, but never on this scale. It’s reserved for me, it seems.
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Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
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'20 is end of the line for me because of exactly what OP says he's experienced. I'm playing out this year because I've invested so much time into it thus far, but I'm not falling for this again. My $60 purchase won't be missed since Mlbts will gain revenue from the other consoles, but good luck to those who don't have a Playstation...They're about to find out how it feels to lose games due to connection.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
I’ve read some of your posts about ping and they were all very intelligent and made sense.
I feel bad for people who don’t play much, and try out ranked for the first time and end up getting a bad game or a few bad connection games in a row.
I am a fairly competitive person and when you get those [censored] connections, and 93 is 110, it’s like you have to battle your already equally good opponent with a major handicap. I wonder if the opponent experices lag the same as you in a bad game or if it is just one sided.
I have 400 MBs hard wired , fiber internet that moves at the speed of light, and I try to be home game to ensure that I’m hosting. But you still get those bad games no matter what. Comebacklogic being in England with a smaller player base makes me think a lot of the millisecond delays and glitches might be a distance thing. Like if I get someone close to me (I’m in upstate ny) it’s smoother, but if I have to match with someone in Canada or California I have a better chance and experiencing latency induced glitches.
I’ve Also noticed when I speed test my PlayStation it maxes out around 70 down and 6 up, every other device in my house can pull 400/40. Not sure if that is part of the problem and I don’t know how accurate that PlayStation test is but no matter what I tinker with it stays at those rates on the internal test
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Spot on post, a few weeks ago during a string of RS games, I had several games in a row where both of us couldn't score much and pitching dominated. Then, one game all of a sudden felt much better and we both scored 10+ runs cause there weren't latency issues. Its crazy how RS plays so much worse than events and it really doesn't make sense to me.
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@MaxHarvest said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
I’ve read some of your posts about ping and they were all very intelligent and made sense.
I feel bad for people who don’t play much, and try out ranked for the first time and end up getting a bad game or a few bad connection games in a row.
I am a fairly competitive person and when you get those [censored] connections, and 93 is 110, it’s like you have to battle your already equally good opponent with a major handicap. I wonder if the opponent experices lag the same as you in a bad game or if it is just one sided.
I have 400 MBs hard wired , fiber internet that moves at the speed of light, and I try to be home game to ensure that I’m hosting. But you still get those bad games no matter what. Comebacklogic being in England with a smaller player base makes me think a lot of the millisecond delays and glitches might be a distance thing. Like if I get someone close to me (I’m in upstate ny) it’s smoother, but if I have to match with someone in Canada or California I have a better chance and experiencing latency induced glitches.
I’ve Also noticed when I speed test my PlayStation it maxes out around 70 down and 6 up, every other device in my house can pull 400/40. Not sure if that is part of the problem and I don’t know how accurate that PlayStation test is but no matter what I tinker with it stays at those rates on the internal test
I can tell usually in the first inning whether I am going to win the game or not and it has nothing to do with the opponent. I have mentioned numerous tell tale signs that I look for.
Haven't really looked into the playstation speed test too much. I have gig internet and am usually around 30 down/5 up on the ps. Heard it was capped but I have seen it around 80 up/80 down before but that is very rare.
My connection stuff are just theories since I don't have access to the actual data. I just know there is a serious connection issue somewhere. Could be my connection for all I know. I would like some connection info like pubg and other games have that tell my ping, packet loss and other things. With softball and corporate challenge more than likely being back, I will not purchase next year. I wasn't going to purchase this year but the pandemic changed that.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
I always agree with your state of how bad the game is and was getting tired of your connection comments. It all makes sense now...I thought it was just bad relay of input
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FFS why do I bother? Third time in a week I get close to 800, then get into a match and can’t see a FB. Literally catching up to everything and scoring 8 runs a game the five before this.
5pm rolls around and boom. Completely different game. People getting off work?
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@rAtbAby407 said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
FFS why do I bother? Third time in a week I get close to 800, then get into a match and can’t see a FB. Literally catching up to everything and scoring 8 runs a game the five before this.
5pm rolls around and boom. Completely different game. People getting off work?
@SCBulldog40 said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Spot on post, a few weeks ago during a string of RS games, I had several games in a row where both of us couldn't score much and pitching dominated. Then, one game all of a sudden felt much better and we both scored 10+ runs cause there weren't latency issues. Its crazy how RS plays so much worse than events and it really doesn't make sense to me.
Like demise said you can tell from the first inning how the game is going to go. The only time I offer FQ are after an inning in a game riddled with these issues.
Would it help this issue if the games were not hosted p2p? I have heard that mentioned as a possible issue, do other sports games not have that? user input is so vital down to milliseconds so even slight lag with hog pitch speeds and tiny pcis are the difference between a no doubt bomb and a weak pop up or grounder
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@MaxHarvest said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
I’ve read some of your posts about ping and they were all very intelligent and made sense.
I feel bad for people who don’t play much, and try out ranked for the first time and end up getting a bad game or a few bad connection games in a row.
I am a fairly competitive person and when you get those [censored] connections, and 93 is 110, it’s like you have to battle your already equally good opponent with a major handicap. I wonder if the opponent experices lag the same as you in a bad game or if it is just one sided.
I have 400 MBs hard wired , fiber internet that moves at the speed of light, and I try to be home game to ensure that I’m hosting. But you still get those bad games no matter what. Comebacklogic being in England with a smaller player base makes me think a lot of the millisecond delays and glitches might be a distance thing. Like if I get someone close to me (I’m in upstate ny) it’s smoother, but if I have to match with someone in Canada or California I have a better chance and experiencing latency induced glitches.
I’ve Also noticed when I speed test my PlayStation it maxes out around 70 down and 6 up, every other device in my house can pull 400/40. Not sure if that is part of the problem and I don’t know how accurate that PlayStation test is but no matter what I tinker with it stays at those rates on the internal test
I can tell usually in the first inning whether I am going to win the game or not and it has nothing to do with the opponent. I have mentioned numerous tell tale signs that I look for.
Haven't really looked into the playstation speed test too much. I have gig internet and am usually around 30 down/5 up on the ps. Heard it was capped but I have seen it around 80 up/80 down before but that is very rare.
My connection stuff are just theories since I don't have access to the actual data. I just know there is a serious connection issue somewhere. Could be my connection for all I know. I would like some connection info like pubg and other games have that tell my ping, packet loss and other things. With softball and corporate challenge more than likely being back, I will not purchase next year. I wasn't going to purchase this year but the pandemic changed that.
Gaming router. Something like Netduma would give you that info.
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@ComebackLogic said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@MaxHarvest said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
I’ve read some of your posts about ping and they were all very intelligent and made sense.
I feel bad for people who don’t play much, and try out ranked for the first time and end up getting a bad game or a few bad connection games in a row.
I am a fairly competitive person and when you get those [censored] connections, and 93 is 110, it’s like you have to battle your already equally good opponent with a major handicap. I wonder if the opponent experices lag the same as you in a bad game or if it is just one sided.
I have 400 MBs hard wired , fiber internet that moves at the speed of light, and I try to be home game to ensure that I’m hosting. But you still get those bad games no matter what. Comebacklogic being in England with a smaller player base makes me think a lot of the millisecond delays and glitches might be a distance thing. Like if I get someone close to me (I’m in upstate ny) it’s smoother, but if I have to match with someone in Canada or California I have a better chance and experiencing latency induced glitches.
I’ve Also noticed when I speed test my PlayStation it maxes out around 70 down and 6 up, every other device in my house can pull 400/40. Not sure if that is part of the problem and I don’t know how accurate that PlayStation test is but no matter what I tinker with it stays at those rates on the internal test
I can tell usually in the first inning whether I am going to win the game or not and it has nothing to do with the opponent. I have mentioned numerous tell tale signs that I look for.
Haven't really looked into the playstation speed test too much. I have gig internet and am usually around 30 down/5 up on the ps. Heard it was capped but I have seen it around 80 up/80 down before but that is very rare.
My connection stuff are just theories since I don't have access to the actual data. I just know there is a serious connection issue somewhere. Could be my connection for all I know. I would like some connection info like pubg and other games have that tell my ping, packet loss and other things. With softball and corporate challenge more than likely being back, I will not purchase next year. I wasn't going to purchase this year but the pandemic changed that.
Gaming router. Something like Netduma would give you that info.
If I thought a Netduma would help, I would probably buy one. One of the issues is the google fiber box doesn't have a bridge mode. I think to set up your own router with the fiber box, you need more advanced networking skills than I have.
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I knew I would find Demise in this thread...
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Do you play on a PS4 Pro? The Ps4 Pro provides users with video output options which, in my view, affect pitch speeds and user output. Basically, in my view, if you're not playing on the latest console, you're at a disadvantage.
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@boomy_91 said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Do you play on a PS4 Pro? The Ps4 Pro provides users with video output options which, in my view, affect pitch speeds and user output. Basically, in my view, if you're not playing on the latest console, you're at a disadvantage.
It doesn't affect pitch speeds.
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This is how I’ve felt about Oswalt’s FB all year. 95-96 always seems as quick if not quicker than Chapman’s 102.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@ComebackLogic said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@MaxHarvest said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
I’ve read some of your posts about ping and they were all very intelligent and made sense.
I feel bad for people who don’t play much, and try out ranked for the first time and end up getting a bad game or a few bad connection games in a row.
I am a fairly competitive person and when you get those [censored] connections, and 93 is 110, it’s like you have to battle your already equally good opponent with a major handicap. I wonder if the opponent experices lag the same as you in a bad game or if it is just one sided.
I have 400 MBs hard wired , fiber internet that moves at the speed of light, and I try to be home game to ensure that I’m hosting. But you still get those bad games no matter what. Comebacklogic being in England with a smaller player base makes me think a lot of the millisecond delays and glitches might be a distance thing. Like if I get someone close to me (I’m in upstate ny) it’s smoother, but if I have to match with someone in Canada or California I have a better chance and experiencing latency induced glitches.
I’ve Also noticed when I speed test my PlayStation it maxes out around 70 down and 6 up, every other device in my house can pull 400/40. Not sure if that is part of the problem and I don’t know how accurate that PlayStation test is but no matter what I tinker with it stays at those rates on the internal test
I can tell usually in the first inning whether I am going to win the game or not and it has nothing to do with the opponent. I have mentioned numerous tell tale signs that I look for.
Haven't really looked into the playstation speed test too much. I have gig internet and am usually around 30 down/5 up on the ps. Heard it was capped but I have seen it around 80 up/80 down before but that is very rare.
My connection stuff are just theories since I don't have access to the actual data. I just know there is a serious connection issue somewhere. Could be my connection for all I know. I would like some connection info like pubg and other games have that tell my ping, packet loss and other things. With softball and corporate challenge more than likely being back, I will not purchase next year. I wasn't going to purchase this year but the pandemic changed that.
Gaming router. Something like Netduma would give you that info.
If I thought a Netduma would help, I would probably buy one. One of the issues is the google fiber box doesn't have a bridge mode. I think to set up your own router with the fiber box, you need more advanced networking skills than I have.
I’m a relatively old man now (39) and not the most techie, but if you have a computer at home it shouldn’t be too difficult to use out of the box. The advantage a Netduma gaming router would provide to you, in particular, is that it would give you exactly what you’ve been asking SDS for for years - Namely, the opportunity to have more information about your opponents geographic location and likely connection quality before the game gets underway.
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@ComebackLogic said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@ComebackLogic said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@MaxHarvest said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Latency, pitch speeds, and user input ...:
Been saying this for years. Also been chastised for it for years. Been getting worse but this year is really bad. I think it has more to do with the pandemic and amount of people on the internet with this year being worse. Game needs better matchmaking. I would rather have 5 minutes getting a good connection than instantly finding a game with a bad connection.
I’ve read some of your posts about ping and they were all very intelligent and made sense.
I feel bad for people who don’t play much, and try out ranked for the first time and end up getting a bad game or a few bad connection games in a row.
I am a fairly competitive person and when you get those [censored] connections, and 93 is 110, it’s like you have to battle your already equally good opponent with a major handicap. I wonder if the opponent experices lag the same as you in a bad game or if it is just one sided.
I have 400 MBs hard wired , fiber internet that moves at the speed of light, and I try to be home game to ensure that I’m hosting. But you still get those bad games no matter what. Comebacklogic being in England with a smaller player base makes me think a lot of the millisecond delays and glitches might be a distance thing. Like if I get someone close to me (I’m in upstate ny) it’s smoother, but if I have to match with someone in Canada or California I have a better chance and experiencing latency induced glitches.
I’ve Also noticed when I speed test my PlayStation it maxes out around 70 down and 6 up, every other device in my house can pull 400/40. Not sure if that is part of the problem and I don’t know how accurate that PlayStation test is but no matter what I tinker with it stays at those rates on the internal test
I can tell usually in the first inning whether I am going to win the game or not and it has nothing to do with the opponent. I have mentioned numerous tell tale signs that I look for.
Haven't really looked into the playstation speed test too much. I have gig internet and am usually around 30 down/5 up on the ps. Heard it was capped but I have seen it around 80 up/80 down before but that is very rare.
My connection stuff are just theories since I don't have access to the actual data. I just know there is a serious connection issue somewhere. Could be my connection for all I know. I would like some connection info like pubg and other games have that tell my ping, packet loss and other things. With softball and corporate challenge more than likely being back, I will not purchase next year. I wasn't going to purchase this year but the pandemic changed that.
Gaming router. Something like Netduma would give you that info.
If I thought a Netduma would help, I would probably buy one. One of the issues is the google fiber box doesn't have a bridge mode. I think to set up your own router with the fiber box, you need more advanced networking skills than I have.
I’m a relatively old man now (39) and not the most techie, but if you have a computer at home it shouldn’t be too difficult to use out of the box. The advantage a Netduma gaming router would provide to you, in particular, is that it would give you exactly what you’ve been asking SDS for for years - Namely, the opportunity to have more information about your opponents geographic location and likely connection quality before the game gets underway.
Yea, pretty sure with that router you can filter by ping and location. I just think there is a lot more to setting it up with google fiber and their box. Not sure why these big companies have these garbage modem/router combos.
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Game is in my opinion obviously determined from the start anyways. I get beat more by silver and gold level players with terrible records then i do by higher level players. Seems like the pitch speeds are lowered for your opponent at times to me. Just my opinion. Love the game and im by all means average at the game but the predictability of the game is beyond ridiculous
