For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history
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And I hated Bonds!!!! But the man was the GOAT hands down. I couldn’t stand the guy and I laughed when couldn’t throw out Sid Bream!!!
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@mjfc_363 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
And I hated Bonds!!!! But the man was the GOAT hands down. I couldn’t stand the guy and I laughed when couldn’t throw out Sid Bream!!!
Sitting in the outfield at dodger stadium and watching a ball fly 40 feet over my head was the most incredible baseball thing I’ve seen live in a baseball game. That guy was amazing. Unfortunately, for him and the Astros, both of them didn’t need to cheat. But, by doing so, it ruins everything.
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Does nobody care that the owners were in on it?????? They were compliant!!! They looked the other way. To me......that makes it all moot!
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Why are you defending the Astros?
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@mjfc_363 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@onnagood1 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/01/23/sign-stealing-history-astros-red-sox
if you aint cheating you aint trying, cheating has been going on in sports since the inception of sports just sometimes people get caught. had they admitted to it, no worries water under the bridge.
Difference with the Astros it was a whole team. in the past at least it has been players majority of the time, Even the Black sox scandal was not the whole team just some players. They got severely punished. the issue here is players got away with the cheating and the team still keeps the title. The way Manfred handled this is the real problem. The way the Astros players are acting this year is disrespectful.
they just got caught, this didn't end all cheating- deep down a lot of people are thinking "dang why didn't we think of that"- I loathe the Astros, they've always been overly arrogant s.o.b.'s in my opinion, I'm just pointing out truth now we know why they were "overly arrogant"
Yeah they did get caught and what was done, nothing nothing at all to the players. That is the real problem, No one is saying others are not cheating, do not use that as an excuse that others did not get caught so it was ok for the Astros players to get away with it. Manfred is a tool. If this is how Manfred wants to be then Pete Rose should be re instated and Joe Jackson should be in the hall of fame if cheating does not matter cause everyone does it mentality.
when I was a little leaguer back in '83 I listed Pete Rose as my favorite baseball player, I hear ya- too much hypocrisy period. Barry Bonds was hands down the greatest player to play the game, he could recognize a pitch before it left the pitchers hand- steroids didn't help him do that, steroids didn't give bonds "super eyes", he truly is a Giant. Roger Clemens just did what everyone else was doing at the time and kept doing what he did shutting them down. Sometimes in your mind you're like " well [censored] if they're doing it and not getting busted and its making those scrubs better I may as well do it too, I aint a snitch and I know if its making your scrub zzz better I'm dominating". Bonds and Clemens are first ballot, Bonds was a [censored] to the media, tell me how steroids helped him finish with an on base percentage over .500 for 4 straight years- between the ages of 36-39 when most couldn't remember their prime, steroids didn't do that the greatest eye in baseball did that.
No disrespect, but you're a fool.
Steroids absolutely helped Bonds. Just because you have "super eyes," doesn't mean you're gonna hit it out of the ballpark which Bonds was known for. Steroids make muscles bigger and bones stronger, which enhances your ability to hit for power which I'm pretty sure attributed to his ability to hit it out of the ballpark everytime he stepped to the plate. To my point, Tony Gwynn, Rod Carew, and so many others could have been considered to have "super eyes," but were never considered as a threat to hit a homerun.
Additionally, Bonds on base percentage of over .500 probably also had something to do with the fact that he is the all-time leader in both walks and intentional walks and by an insurmountable margin. This could link back to the fact that he was a homerun threat, which could link back to the fact that he took steroids, and not "super eyes."
The fact that you would ever label Bonds and Clemens as "scrubs" validates your foolishness.
No offense......but you sir are also a large fool!!! Tony Gwynn and Rod Carew are two of the worst comparisons I’ve ever heard. Although they left the yard on rare occasions, they were not home run hitters. Steroids may have helped ANY JUICER with maybe 4 or 5 bombs per year (In terms of distance). Bonds is the GOAT and it’s not even close. If one were to break it down to percentages, I’d say 85% of the edge went toward staying healthy, the other 15% went toward strength......if that makes any sense. Like I said earlier, Bonds got the opportunity to hit ......maybe.....1 pitch per game. MAYBE!!!!! That’s a HUGE MAYBE!!!! And he didn’t miss. Did steroids help him hit that 1 pitch??? Not a chance! He hit his 1 pitch cuz he was next level patient, and next level good.
Learn how to read.
Gwynn and Carew are worst comparisons how? I used them as players who could be considered to have "super eyes" as the original poster referred to his whole "super eye" thing. I never said that Gwynn and Carew were homerun hitters either, in fact, I said, they "....were never considered as a threat to hit a homerun." You said Gwynn and Carew "...were not homerun hitters" essentially saying the same thing.
Also, I said, "Steroids absolutely helped Bonds." You said, "Steroids may have helped ANY JUICER with maybe 4 or 5 bombs per year (In terms of distance)." Well, isn't that still helping them? So...Who's the fool?.....N-E-X-T!!!
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@ICantHelpFalling said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
I love this thread.
Top quote so far dripping with irony, "No disrespect, but you're a fool."
Like Ron Burgundy said, "Well that escalated quickly. "
That was a good 20 second chuckle.
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@onnagood1 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@mjfc_363 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@onnagood1 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/01/23/sign-stealing-history-astros-red-sox
if you aint cheating you aint trying, cheating has been going on in sports since the inception of sports just sometimes people get caught. had they admitted to it, no worries water under the bridge.
Difference with the Astros it was a whole team. in the past at least it has been players majority of the time, Even the Black sox scandal was not the whole team just some players. They got severely punished. the issue here is players got away with the cheating and the team still keeps the title. The way Manfred handled this is the real problem. The way the Astros players are acting this year is disrespectful.
they just got caught, this didn't end all cheating- deep down a lot of people are thinking "dang why didn't we think of that"- I loathe the Astros, they've always been overly arrogant s.o.b.'s in my opinion, I'm just pointing out truth now we know why they were "overly arrogant"
Yeah they did get caught and what was done, nothing nothing at all to the players. That is the real problem, No one is saying others are not cheating, do not use that as an excuse that others did not get caught so it was ok for the Astros players to get away with it. Manfred is a tool. If this is how Manfred wants to be then Pete Rose should be re instated and Joe Jackson should be in the hall of fame if cheating does not matter cause everyone does it mentality.
when I was a little leaguer back in '83 I listed Pete Rose as my favorite baseball player, I hear ya- too much hypocrisy period. Barry Bonds was hands down the greatest player to play the game, he could recognize a pitch before it left the pitchers hand- steroids didn't help him do that, steroids didn't give bonds "super eyes", he truly is a Giant. Roger Clemens just did what everyone else was doing at the time and kept doing what he did shutting them down. Sometimes in your mind you're like " well [censored] if they're doing it and not getting busted and its making those scrubs better I may as well do it too, I aint a snitch and I know if its making your scrub zzz better I'm dominating". Bonds and Clemens are first ballot, Bonds was a [censored] to the media, tell me how steroids helped him finish with an on base percentage over .500 for 4 straight years- between the ages of 36-39 when most couldn't remember their prime, steroids didn't do that the greatest eye in baseball did that.
No disrespect, but you're a fool.
Steroids absolutely helped Bonds. Just because you have "super eyes," doesn't mean you're gonna hit it out of the ballpark which Bonds was known for. Steroids make muscles bigger and bones stronger, which enhances your ability to hit for power which I'm pretty sure attributed to his ability to hit it out of the ballpark everytime he stepped to the plate. To my point, Tony Gwynn, Rod Carew, and so many others could have been considered to have "super eyes," but were never considered as a threat to hit a homerun.
Additionally, Bonds on base percentage of over .500 probably also had something to do with the fact that he is the all-time leader in both walks and intentional walks and by an insurmountable margin. This could link back to the fact that he was a homerun threat, which could link back to the fact that he took steroids, and not "super eyes."
The fact that you would ever label Bonds and Clemens as "scrubs" validates your foolishness.
No offense......but you sir are also a large fool!!! Tony Gwynn and Rod Carew are two of the worst comparisons I’ve ever heard. Although they left the yard on rare occasions, they were not home run hitters. Steroids may have helped ANY JUICER with maybe 4 or 5 bombs per year (In terms of distance). Bonds is the GOAT and it’s not even close. If one were to break it down to percentages, I’d say 85% of the edge went toward staying healthy, the other 15% went toward strength......if that makes any sense. Like I said earlier, Bonds got the opportunity to hit ......maybe.....1 pitch per game. MAYBE!!!!! That’s a HUGE MAYBE!!!! And he didn’t miss. Did steroids help him hit that 1 pitch??? Not a chance! He hit his 1 pitch cuz he was next level patient, and next level good.
Learn how to read.
Gwynn and Carew are worst comparisons how? I used them as players who could be considered to have "super eyes" as the original poster referred to his whole "super eye" thing. I never said that Gwynn and Carew were homerun hitters either, in fact, I said, they "....were never considered as a threat to hit a homerun."
Also, I said, "Steroids absolutely helped Bonds." You said, "Steroids may have helped ANY JUICER with maybe 4 or 5 bombs per year (In terms of distance)." Well, isn't that still helping them? So...Who's the fool?.....N-E-X-T!!!
So you caught that did ya? Ok for you to call people fools but darn it don’t call you one huh?
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@mjfc_363 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@onnagood1 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@mjfc_363 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@onnagood1 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/01/23/sign-stealing-history-astros-red-sox
if you aint cheating you aint trying, cheating has been going on in sports since the inception of sports just sometimes people get caught. had they admitted to it, no worries water under the bridge.
Difference with the Astros it was a whole team. in the past at least it has been players majority of the time, Even the Black sox scandal was not the whole team just some players. They got severely punished. the issue here is players got away with the cheating and the team still keeps the title. The way Manfred handled this is the real problem. The way the Astros players are acting this year is disrespectful.
they just got caught, this didn't end all cheating- deep down a lot of people are thinking "dang why didn't we think of that"- I loathe the Astros, they've always been overly arrogant s.o.b.'s in my opinion, I'm just pointing out truth now we know why they were "overly arrogant"
Yeah they did get caught and what was done, nothing nothing at all to the players. That is the real problem, No one is saying others are not cheating, do not use that as an excuse that others did not get caught so it was ok for the Astros players to get away with it. Manfred is a tool. If this is how Manfred wants to be then Pete Rose should be re instated and Joe Jackson should be in the hall of fame if cheating does not matter cause everyone does it mentality.
when I was a little leaguer back in '83 I listed Pete Rose as my favorite baseball player, I hear ya- too much hypocrisy period. Barry Bonds was hands down the greatest player to play the game, he could recognize a pitch before it left the pitchers hand- steroids didn't help him do that, steroids didn't give bonds "super eyes", he truly is a Giant. Roger Clemens just did what everyone else was doing at the time and kept doing what he did shutting them down. Sometimes in your mind you're like " well [censored] if they're doing it and not getting busted and its making those scrubs better I may as well do it too, I aint a snitch and I know if its making your scrub zzz better I'm dominating". Bonds and Clemens are first ballot, Bonds was a [censored] to the media, tell me how steroids helped him finish with an on base percentage over .500 for 4 straight years- between the ages of 36-39 when most couldn't remember their prime, steroids didn't do that the greatest eye in baseball did that.
No disrespect, but you're a fool.
Steroids absolutely helped Bonds. Just because you have "super eyes," doesn't mean you're gonna hit it out of the ballpark which Bonds was known for. Steroids make muscles bigger and bones stronger, which enhances your ability to hit for power which I'm pretty sure attributed to his ability to hit it out of the ballpark everytime he stepped to the plate. To my point, Tony Gwynn, Rod Carew, and so many others could have been considered to have "super eyes," but were never considered as a threat to hit a homerun.
Additionally, Bonds on base percentage of over .500 probably also had something to do with the fact that he is the all-time leader in both walks and intentional walks and by an insurmountable margin. This could link back to the fact that he was a homerun threat, which could link back to the fact that he took steroids, and not "super eyes."
The fact that you would ever label Bonds and Clemens as "scrubs" validates your foolishness.
No offense......but you sir are also a large fool!!! Tony Gwynn and Rod Carew are two of the worst comparisons I’ve ever heard. Although they left the yard on rare occasions, they were not home run hitters. Steroids may have helped ANY JUICER with maybe 4 or 5 bombs per year (In terms of distance). Bonds is the GOAT and it’s not even close. If one were to break it down to percentages, I’d say 85% of the edge went toward staying healthy, the other 15% went toward strength......if that makes any sense. Like I said earlier, Bonds got the opportunity to hit ......maybe.....1 pitch per game. MAYBE!!!!! That’s a HUGE MAYBE!!!! And he didn’t miss. Did steroids help him hit that 1 pitch??? Not a chance! He hit his 1 pitch cuz he was next level patient, and next level good.
Learn how to read.
Gwynn and Carew are worst comparisons how? I used them as players who could be considered to have "super eyes" as the original poster referred to his whole "super eye" thing. I never said that Gwynn and Carew were homerun hitters either, in fact, I said, they "....were never considered as a threat to hit a homerun."
Also, I said, "Steroids absolutely helped Bonds." You said, "Steroids may have helped ANY JUICER with maybe 4 or 5 bombs per year (In terms of distance)." Well, isn't that still helping them? So...Who's the fool?.....N-E-X-T!!!
So you caught that did ya? Ok for you to call people fools but darn it don’t call you one huh?
Huh?
If I stated what the original poster had stated, then call me a fool all you want, because I would be one for making such a ridiculous statement.
So what's your point? Trying to cover up your own nonsensical statement? Okay. LOL.
Also, I didn't catch anything, I just know how to read.... N-E-X-T!!!
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@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
MLB didn't even try to get information or do an investigation let just give the players immunity. There is more about this than we will ever know imo.
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@MathMan5072 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
This somehow is always ignored. I am a dodger fan and have every right to be upset as anyone else. But, we would never have known what happened if the players didn’t get immunity. So, what other option did the commissioner have?
Now, do I wish that Correa and the owner had just owned up to it and admitted that they had an unfair advantage? Yes. I think this whole thing would be viewed differently. It seems altuve didn’t like it, but he didn’t say anything. If I recall Bergman was a rookie, so he’s in a bad spot. The gm and coaches are in charge. So, they take the punishment. I think we can all agree the rest of the Astros will get their punishment with public opinion and lost pay. The only one to get off skate free was Gonzalez who already got his pay day.
I believe that these guys thought/assumed everyone else was doing something like it. I think Beltran and Cora May have even believed it themselves.
Do I wish the dodgers had a fair shot at winning it? Yes.
Did the Astros get a fair punishment, in my opinion? Yes
There are lines and the Astros crossed one.
Apologies if this point was already brought up. I only have read up to this post.
My opinions are my own and subject to change on convincing argument.
My Problem is Manfred caved in and did not do an investigation on those players Fiers came out and spoke the truth but that was not good enough for Manfred, They were already caught, There are other ways to get info but Manfred imo took the easy way out by giving the players immunity that should have never been the case. I think there is more to this than we will ever know. The players got protection and that is some BS. No other player or team has ever got immunity that I know of. Manfred is a tool. Re-instate the Black sox players and Pete Rose.
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@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@MathMan5072 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
This somehow is always ignored. I am a dodger fan and have every right to be upset as anyone else. But, we would never have known what happened if the players didn’t get immunity. So, what other option did the commissioner have?
Now, do I wish that Correa and the owner had just owned up to it and admitted that they had an unfair advantage? Yes. I think this whole thing would be viewed differently. It seems altuve didn’t like it, but he didn’t say anything. If I recall Bergman was a rookie, so he’s in a bad spot. The gm and coaches are in charge. So, they take the punishment. I think we can all agree the rest of the Astros will get their punishment with public opinion and lost pay. The only one to get off skate free was Gonzalez who already got his pay day.
I believe that these guys thought/assumed everyone else was doing something like it. I think Beltran and Cora May have even believed it themselves.
Do I wish the dodgers had a fair shot at winning it? Yes.
Did the Astros get a fair punishment, in my opinion? Yes
There are lines and the Astros crossed one.
Apologies if this point was already brought up. I only have read up to this post.
My opinions are my own and subject to change on convincing argument.
My Problem is Manfred caved in and did not do an investigation on those players Fiers came out and spoke the truth but that was not good enough for Manfred, They were already caught, There are other ways to get info but Manfred imo took the easy way out by giving the players immunity that should have never been the case. I think there is more to this than we will ever know. The players got protection and that is some BS. No other player or team has ever got immunity that I know of. Manfred is a tool. Re-instate the Black sox players and Pete Rose.
Fair points. What do you mean when you say there is more to this? Do you mean other teams were doing it?
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@Buck_Mango said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/01/23/sign-stealing-history-astros-red-sox
if you aint cheating you aint trying, cheating has been going on in sports since the inception of sports just sometimes people get caught. had they admitted to it, no worries water under the bridge.
So if someone else does it first it's not bad?
Your honor people have been stealing for years...I'm just stealing to help support my family...I'm really trying..
Judge: your right people have been stealing for years....if ur not stealing your not trying....water under the bridge...
Gavel taps
Your right if u ain't stea
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@MathMan5072 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@MathMan5072 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
This somehow is always ignored. I am a dodger fan and have every right to be upset as anyone else. But, we would never have known what happened if the players didn’t get immunity. So, what other option did the commissioner have?
Now, do I wish that Correa and the owner had just owned up to it and admitted that they had an unfair advantage? Yes. I think this whole thing would be viewed differently. It seems altuve didn’t like it, but he didn’t say anything. If I recall Bergman was a rookie, so he’s in a bad spot. The gm and coaches are in charge. So, they take the punishment. I think we can all agree the rest of the Astros will get their punishment with public opinion and lost pay. The only one to get off skate free was Gonzalez who already got his pay day.
I believe that these guys thought/assumed everyone else was doing something like it. I think Beltran and Cora May have even believed it themselves.
Do I wish the dodgers had a fair shot at winning it? Yes.
Did the Astros get a fair punishment, in my opinion? Yes
There are lines and the Astros crossed one.
Apologies if this point was already brought up. I only have read up to this post.
My opinions are my own and subject to change on convincing argument.
My Problem is Manfred caved in and did not do an investigation on those players Fiers came out and spoke the truth but that was not good enough for Manfred, They were already caught, There are other ways to get info but Manfred imo took the easy way out by giving the players immunity that should have never been the case. I think there is more to this than we will ever know. The players got protection and that is some BS. No other player or team has ever got immunity that I know of. Manfred is a tool. Re-instate the Black sox players and Pete Rose.
Fair points. What do you mean when you say there is more to this? Do you mean other teams were doing it?
No, I think we do not know everything of why the players got immunity yeah it was for information but someone protecting those players and I do not think that was Manfred idea to give players immunity. They had fiers and the media running the story, That was pressure enough to do an investigation without immunity.
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@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
MLB didn't even try to get information or do an investigation let just give the players immunity. There is more about this than we will ever know imo.
Yeah they did. 3 managers were fired, including 2 WS winning managers and a future Hall of Fame player. They're legacies are forever tainted. They got the information they were looking for and they moved on.
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@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
MLB didn't even try to get information or do an investigation let just give the players immunity. There is more about this than we will ever know imo.
Yeah they did. 3 managers were fired, including 2 WS winning managers and a future Hall of Fame player. They're legacies are forever tainted. They got the information they were looking for and they moved on.
That was because the players got immunity. My point is that if a investigation was done properly with the person who came forward with Fiers they could have gotten answers without the immunity imo. I look at past events that have taken place in baseball when it comes to cheating, Tell me what players or teams ever got immunity. This was lazyiness or just inexperience by Manfred.
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@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
MLB didn't even try to get information or do an investigation let just give the players immunity. There is more about this than we will ever know imo.
Yeah they did. 3 managers were fired, including 2 WS winning managers and a future Hall of Fame player. They're legacies are forever tainted. They got the information they were looking for and they moved on.
The players of other teams have not moved on. the players union is not the same because of it, Many fans have not moved on. Look at this year with what is going on in the Astros games. No one respect them at all. It is not that they cheated it is cause the players got no punishment.
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For me, I am over it and been over it. Nothing else will be done about it from the MLB. The Astros and the fans should understand that people are not happy with the outcome. People are not happy with the way the Astro players have handled it.
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@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
MLB didn't even try to get information or do an investigation let just give the players immunity. There is more about this than we will ever know imo.
Yeah they did. 3 managers were fired, including 2 WS winning managers and a future Hall of Fame player. They're legacies are forever tainted. They got the information they were looking for and they moved on.
That was because the players got immunity. My point is that if a investigation was done properly with the person who came forward with Fiers they could have gotten answers without the immunity imo. I look at past events that have taken place in baseball when it comes to cheating, Tell me what players or teams ever got immunity. This was lazyiness or just inexperience by Manfred.
“Getting Immunity” only means they are not banned for HOF and awards. Every steroids player has immunity as well, but just like these guys, it effects there legacy and the the opinions of writers voting for HOF and awards.
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@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.r
Except there was no punishment....since when do plea deals result in no punishment whatsoever...they didnt rat out some1 doing worse...they were the worst culprits
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@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@raesONE said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@dbarmonstar said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@pbake12 said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
@Gbobnick said in For everyone crucifying the Astros, learn some baseball history:
You get caught you get crucified.
The 1951 Giants also cheated with a sign stealing scheme at Polo Grounds.
And?
So if they are not caught until much later they didn’t do anything wrong? My point aligns with the OP, most sports fans cheer for a team that has cheated, no need to crucify past the punishment they received.
That is the issues no punishment was received for he players
They were awarded immunity for cooperation. That's the only way the truth would come to light, and that's what happened. Major League Baseball just wanted to learn their scheme to prevent it from happening again, they were looking bigger picture.
MLB didn't even try to get information or do an investigation let just give the players immunity. There is more about this than we will ever know imo.
Yeah they did. 3 managers were fired, including 2 WS winning managers and a future Hall of Fame player. They're legacies are forever tainted. They got the information they were looking for and they moved on.
That was because the players got immunity. My point is that if a investigation was done properly with the person who came forward with Fiers they could have gotten answers without the immunity imo. I look at past events that have taken place in baseball when it comes to cheating, Tell me what players or teams ever got immunity. This was lazyiness or just inexperience by Manfred.
“Getting Immunity” only means they are not banned for HOF and awards. Every steroids player has immunity as well, but just like these guys, it effects there legacy and the the opinions of writers voting for HOF and awards.
The steroids players did not get immunity. Some had to testify. The thing with steroids is MLB including the Commissioner knew it was going on. Remember that MLB had a strike in 94 and baseball lost fans and money because of it. If it was not for Roids baseball would not be what it is today imo. Roids Sosa McGwire, Bonds brought baseball back. Roids is on MLB for ignoring it and not putting anything in place for punishments. All was good Unitl Canseco wrote his book. Me personally, I do not have a problem with the Roids cause baseball knew it was going on and Bud Selig did nothing cause it is what baseball needed. If baseball Manfred knew that the Astros and other teams were cheating and did nothing about it well then that is on Manfred as Roids was on Selig. Roids were players, The Astros was a team. That is a difference. Many players have cheated in the past, Not many as a Team that we know of. The biggest cheating team up until the Astros that I knew of was the Black Sox Scandal both involved the WS.
