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@the_dragon1912 said in New Legends:
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@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:
TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc
Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?
And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.
So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.
And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)
I think we all know that the only reason Konerko got a 98 is because of how late in the year he was released, and SDS just wanting to give people a semi-usable card.
If they release a 2005 Roberts card, then I don’t see the point in giving him a career Signature Series type card. Similar to how we got a 2009 Zobrist card this year, but no Signature Series Zobrist.
Same goes for Matt Kemp, Hershiser to an extent, Giambi, Sutton, etc. Those who didn’t end up with a SS card that people thought deserved one were the same way. The only player that probably should have got one but didn’t was Trammell IMO, but only because he’s the only HOFer to not get one.
Edit: and Spahn
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I’m thinking barry bonds might be “in the cards” for lack of a better term. Pun intended.
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My sources with knowledge of SDS' thinking have indicated that a few people are slated for release in MLB 20. they are as follows
- Jeremy Giami
- The other Billy Hamilton
- Junior Spivey
- Pokey Reese
- JJ Putz
- Bobby Abreu
- Chone Figgins
- Dizzy Dean
- Dazzy Vance
- Joey Joe Joe Jr Shabadoo
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@the_dragon1912 said in New Legends:
@the_dragon1912 said in New Legends:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in New Legends:
@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:
@nflman2033 said in New Legends:
@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:
TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc
Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?
And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.
So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.
And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)
I think we all know that the only reason Konerko got a 98 is because of how late in the year he was released, and SDS just wanting to give people a semi-usable card.
If they release a 2005 Roberts card, then I don’t see the point in giving him a career Signature Series type card. Similar to how we got a 2009 Zobrist card this year, but no Signature Series Zobrist.
Same goes for Matt Kemp, Hershiser to an extent, Giambi, Sutton, etc. Those who didn’t end up with a SS card that people thought deserved one were the same way. The only player that probably should have got one but didn’t was Trammell IMO, but only because he’s the only HOFer to not get one.
Edit: and Spahn
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Will Matt Antonelli be added in the legends roster?
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@Von_Rotten said in New Legends:
Will Matt Antonelli be added in the legends roster?
Or Ben Zobrist, Jeremy Hellickson, Gregor Blanco, Nick Hundley etc...
Lol
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Olerud was a class act all the way. Towards the tail end of his career this starting Mets 1B would ride the subway to Shea Stadium just because he could do it without anyone recognizing him. I love that he will be coming into the game.
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Where’s the kirby Puckett card been hiding ?
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Dave Stieb is missing.
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