Why can't I hit?
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@vagimon said in Why can't I hit?:
I bought a monitor, and that definitely helped
When you say it helped, how would you describe the difference? Is pitch speed slower? Is it easier to see the difference between a fastball and a changeup? Can you wait longer before pressing X and still get a well timed swing? And is the difference dramatic or subtle?
Just curious.
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@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
@vagimon said in Why can't I hit?:
I bought a monitor, and that definitely helped
When you say it helped, how would you describe the difference? Is pitch speed slower? Is it easier to see the difference between a fastball and a changeup? Can you wait longer before pressing X and still get a well timed swing? And is the difference dramatic or subtle?
Just curious.
Good questions. Pitch speeds are not slower. If your tv has a high input lag, you will be able to wait longer if you’re playing on a monitor. But there are some games I play where the pitch speeds definitely look slower and some where they are a blur. I think that’s from connection issues with your opponent though. But when speeds are jacked up, would you rather try catching up to those pitches with 30ms of input lag or 10ms of input lag? It seems like a small amount, but with timing windows being what they are, you want every advantage you can get. Do you know what the input lag of your tv is? You can check rtings.com if you don’t know.
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@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
@vagimon said in Why can't I hit?:
I bought a monitor, and that definitely helped
When you say it helped, how would you describe the difference? Is pitch speed slower? Is it easier to see the difference between a fastball and a changeup? Can you wait longer before pressing X and still get a well timed swing? And is the difference dramatic or subtle?
Just curious.
The pitch speeds look the same. It looks a bit smoother on a monitor. The problem I think is the tv is showing you what happened a few milliseconds in the past. So if your timing is good with what you are seeing, you are still a few milliseconds behind, so in order for your timing to be good, you have to react before you rea what is actually happening. On a monitor, you are getting less of a picture delay, so you can react to what you see instead of trying to guess and be super early. Its subtle. Doesn't look much different, but its definitely better
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@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
@TEXAS10PT said in Why can't I hit?:
All you guys in your 40’s listen up. Just keep playing the game and do some practice hitting on higher speeds than you are used to playing online. You will get better. I’m 65 and I’m 11-3 in RS and I win about 50-60% of the event games I play. It is doable so don’t let the fact that you are in your 40’s be a crutch.....wanna trade ages? lol
Yeah, but do you have a monitor or magic internet?
I have a BenQ gaming monitor that is about 4 years old. No magic internet either, I just make sure its hardwired. WiFi will jack with your hitting.
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@Boneman05 said in Why can't I hit?:
@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
I play virtually all my games on All Star difficulty in Ranked Seasons and am hitting around .225 online, which I know is really bad. I've watched tons of hitting tips videos and nothing seems to work for me. I try to look for the "bump" at the release point to determine if it's an offspeed pitch, but a fastball released just a little high looks the same to me, so I'm either late on the fastball or early on offspeed. I feel like I have to swing early to catch up with the fastball, so I'm often swinging at pitches out of the zone. I try batting practice with the sliders turned up, but I just flail for however long I take batting practice and don't notice any improvement, so it feels pointless. I play on a 55" Samsung TV in game mode, and for a variety of reasons a monitor isn't really an option, so I'm wondering if not having a monitor is the majority of my problem, or if there could be other factors at work. Does having a monitor make pitch speeds look slower? I have the original (pre-Pro) PS4; does having a Pro make a difference? My internet is Comcast with a WiFi connection and averages about 25Mbps when tested on the PS4; is that good? Bad? Irrelevant? I've read that connection quality can impact pitch speeds pretty dramatically; is this true, and how much of a factor is it compared to the difference a monitor makes? Do any of the TV settings apart from game mode (which HDMI input you use, HDR setting on or off, 1080 vs 720) matter?
I'm also probably at the upper end of the age spectrum for people playing this game (I'm 48) and my eyesight isn't perfect. I'm just wondering why I'm so bad at hitting and if it's one issue or a combination of things, and if there's anything I'm missing or if it's possible to just not be very good and not able to improve.
Thanks!
I would plug in directly to the router. Hardliners is always better. My connection for hard line is 200 mbps.
Below is how I approach each at bat, may help you. I'm by no means a great player, but think I'm a little better than average and can compete most times. My online average is .274 and a 2.72 ERA. My ranked record is 25-14 on allstar. My current record on the the hall of fame difficulty event is 19-17, so not great but can hang.
I generally do not swing at the first pitch, unless it's a mistake pitch like down the middle or a pitch I feel really good about like low in the zone. When I have one strike, I will start cheating either high in the zone or inside with my PCI depending on the tendencies I'm picking up from the opponent. With 2 strikes I generally cheat high and inside as this is most peeps go to strikeout pitch. Biggest thing to remember is discipline, discipline, discipline. After about 2 innings or so, if my opponent is consistently pitching a first strike high in the zone or inside, then go ahead and start cheating and take advantage. Or wait till there are runners on base to get the big 3 run HR. Once you connect with a couple of these they will typically stop, so let them think they are getting one on you and then deliver when it counts the most. Hope this helps.
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@vagimon said in Why can't I hit?:
Do you know what the input lag of your tv is? You can check rtings.com if you don’t know.
It's a Samsung NU7100, so 13.7 ms according to rtings.com, which is... Pretty good for a TV? Definitely in the upper tier of the TVs they list anyway.
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@JiggidyJJ said in Why can't I hit?:
Below is how I approach each at bat, may help you. I'm by no means a great player, but think I'm a little better than average and can compete most times. My online average is .274 and a 2.72 ERA. My ranked record is 25-14 on allstar. My current record on the the hall of fame difficulty event is 19-17, so not great but can hang.
I generally do not swing at the first pitch, unless it's a mistake pitch like down the middle or a pitch I feel really good about like low in the zone. When I have one strike, I will start cheating either high in the zone or inside with my PCI depending on the tendencies I'm picking up from the opponent. With 2 strikes I generally cheat high and inside as this is most peeps go to strikeout pitch. Biggest thing to remember is discipline, discipline, discipline. After about 2 innings or so, if my opponent is consistently pitching a first strike high in the zone or inside, then go ahead and start cheating and take advantage. Or wait till there are runners on base to get the big 3 run HR. Once you connect with a couple of these they will typically stop, so let them think they are getting one on you and then deliver when it counts the most. Hope this helps.
This is helpful, thank you. I sometimes think a pitch is going to be a mistake pitch and then it drops, but I suppose that happens at times to everyone. I will try to be consistent with this and see how it goes.
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@eatyum said in Why can't I hit?:
It sounds like you are in your head way too much. Hard to get consistency when you're trying to do a million things at once.
As for your other questions,
- Yes a monitor would probably help some
- A monitor isn't really making the pitch speed slower, it's more about input lag. (As in from the time you press the button to the batter swinging etc)
- No having a pro really doesn't make any significant difference.
- 25 Mbps is not bad, not great, kinda average.
- Connection can affect gameplay at times yes
25 mbps is average... Well eff. I rock 75 to 85 every day. Lol internet in my area went up in price... Blah.
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@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
@vagimon said in Why can't I hit?:
Do you know what the input lag of your tv is? You can check rtings.com if you don’t know.
It's a Samsung NU7100, so 13.7 ms according to rtings.com, which is... Pretty good for a TV? Definitely in the upper tier of the TVs they list anyway.
Is that at 1080p? I wouldn’t recommend playing on 4k. The frame rate gets pretty choppy.
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@vagimon said in Why can't I hit?:
Is that at 1080p? I wouldn’t recommend playing on 4k. The frame rate gets pretty choppy.
Yeah, 1080p. I have the regular PS4 that doesn't support 4K.
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Maybe we (older folks 40+) should start an "Old Timers League".
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@bonion said in Why can't I hit?:
Paper rock scissors. Guess your OP pitch and location and lay off everything else. On x/2 counts cover 1/2 the plate and don’t mind striking out looking. IMO striking out looking is better then chasing balls
This is the best thing I've heard lately
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@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
@JiggidyJJ said in Why can't I hit?:
Below is how I approach each at bat, may help you. I'm by no means a great player, but think I'm a little better than average and can compete most times. My online average is .274 and a 2.72 ERA. My ranked record is 25-14 on allstar. My current record on the the hall of fame difficulty event is 19-17, so not great but can hang.
I generally do not swing at the first pitch, unless it's a mistake pitch like down the middle or a pitch I feel really good about like low in the zone. When I have one strike, I will start cheating either high in the zone or inside with my PCI depending on the tendencies I'm picking up from the opponent. With 2 strikes I generally cheat high and inside as this is most peeps go to strikeout pitch. Biggest thing to remember is discipline, discipline, discipline. After about 2 innings or so, if my opponent is consistently pitching a first strike high in the zone or inside, then go ahead and start cheating and take advantage. Or wait till there are runners on base to get the big 3 run HR. Once you connect with a couple of these they will typically stop, so let them think they are getting one on you and then deliver when it counts the most. Hope this helps.
This is helpful, thank you. I sometimes think a pitch is going to be a mistake pitch and then it drops, but I suppose that happens at times to everyone. I will try to be consistent with this and see how it goes.
If this happens a lot to you then you may try starting your pci low in the zone and moving up to the higher pitches. Point being, compensate to your weakness for me it was high and inside pitches that I really struggled with. I was flailing pretty bad with just keeping the pci in the middle and trying to move to the ball. Once I made this adjustment it helped tremendously and now am getting more comfortable with keeping the pci in the middle. I ain't going to lie though its not an overnight fix. I've put a lot of ABs in
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@JiggidyJJ said in Why can't I hit?:
@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
@JiggidyJJ said in Why can't I hit?:
Below is how I approach each at bat, may help you. I'm by no means a great player, but think I'm a little better than average and can compete most times. My online average is .274 and a 2.72 ERA. My ranked record is 25-14 on allstar. My current record on the the hall of fame difficulty event is 19-17, so not great but can hang.
I generally do not swing at the first pitch, unless it's a mistake pitch like down the middle or a pitch I feel really good about like low in the zone. When I have one strike, I will start cheating either high in the zone or inside with my PCI depending on the tendencies I'm picking up from the opponent. With 2 strikes I generally cheat high and inside as this is most peeps go to strikeout pitch. Biggest thing to remember is discipline, discipline, discipline. After about 2 innings or so, if my opponent is consistently pitching a first strike high in the zone or inside, then go ahead and start cheating and take advantage. Or wait till there are runners on base to get the big 3 run HR. Once you connect with a couple of these they will typically stop, so let them think they are getting one on you and then deliver when it counts the most. Hope this helps.
This is helpful, thank you. I sometimes think a pitch is going to be a mistake pitch and then it drops, but I suppose that happens at times to everyone. I will try to be consistent with this and see how it goes.
If this happens a lot to you then you may try starting your pci low in the zone and moving up to the higher pitches. Point being, compensate to your weakness for me it was high and inside pitches that I really struggled with. I was flailing pretty bad with just keeping the pci in the middle and trying to move to the ball. Once I made this adjustment it helped tremendously and now am getting more comfortable with keeping the pci in the middle. I ain't going to lie though its not an overnight fix. I've put a lot of ABs in
p.s. practice mode helps alot. If your playing on allstar, practice on hall of fame and face a tough pitcher like kluber. All star will get much easier.
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So.... i just tried a couple games on a monitor and it seems much better. Albeit I still suck and was playing on a 55 inch walmart special. When I was just a tad bit late I'm now a tad bit early. I'm starting to learn in this game that every millisecond counts. Could also be the placebo affect. Will update if i think it does make a substantial difference after a larger sample size
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And like I said, Zone with show 16 camera. If you suck at hitting, that camera gives you th a most time to react to pitches.
How does the show 16 view give you more time to swing?
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@thumpasery said in Why can't I hit?:
I play virtually all my games on All Star difficulty in Ranked Seasons and am hitting around .225 online, which I know is really bad. I've watched tons of hitting tips videos and nothing seems to work for me. I try to look for the "bump" at the release point to determine if it's an offspeed pitch, but a fastball released just a little high looks the same to me, so I'm either late on the fastball or early on offspeed. I feel like I have to swing early to catch up with the fastball, so I'm often swinging at pitches out of the zone. I try batting practice with the sliders turned up, but I just flail for however long I take batting practice and don't notice any improvement, so it feels pointless. I play on a 55" Samsung TV in game mode, and for a variety of reasons a monitor isn't really an option, so I'm wondering if not having a monitor is the majority of my problem, or if there could be other factors at work. Does having a monitor make pitch speeds look slower? I have the original (pre-Pro) PS4; does having a Pro make a difference? My internet is Comcast with a WiFi connection and averages about 25Mbps when tested on the PS4; is that good? Bad? Irrelevant? I've read that connection quality can impact pitch speeds pretty dramatically; is this true, and how much of a factor is it compared to the difference a monitor makes? Do any of the TV settings apart from game mode (which HDMI input you use, HDR setting on or off, 1080 vs 720) matter?
I'm also probably at the upper end of the age spectrum for people playing this game (I'm 48) and my eyesight isn't perfect. I'm just wondering why I'm so bad at hitting and if it's one issue or a combination of things, and if there's anything I'm missing or if it's possible to just not be very good and not able to improve.
Thanks!
I'm 55, no monitor, haven't gotten past All-Star in ranked seasons. You can do this! I say be patient, even if it means taking strikes, especially inside ones. Practice on "Steal phase" of conquest, because nothing is really lost on the outcome. Practice, not swinging and recognizing the breaks. I'm still VERY vulnerable on sliders that come straight and below the zone.
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@over50beatdown said in Why can't I hit?:
I'm 55, no monitor, haven't gotten past All-Star in ranked seasons. You can do this! I say be patient, even if it means taking strikes, especially inside ones. Practice on "Steal phase" of conquest, because nothing is really lost on the outcome. Practice, not swinging and recognizing the breaks. I'm still VERY vulnerable on sliders that come straight and below the zone.
I actually made it to Championship Series a few years ago, but this year I think I've maybe gotten to the mid-750s once before collapsing and falling back. This season I can't get out of Pennant Race, which led to a lot of frustration and this post. I'm also trying to learn analog pitching (used to use pulse, but the randomness started to bother me), so maybe I'm trying to do too many things at once, not sure. Thanks for the tips. I can actually hit pretty well in Conquest games, even on Legend, but online is a completely different experience. I'm wondering if it's connection related, as I played two games this morning, and on one I couldn't react to the fastball no matter what I did, got three hits total and lost 5-0, add the other game I seemed to be able to react to pitches (certainly not perfect, but better) and my timing was better and I won 7-3. I think the frustration comes from not really knowing if I had a better approach in the second game, or just a weaker opponent/better internet connection/more favorable RNG. Maybe that's just the nature of the game for the majority of us who can't put the PCI on the ball consistently.
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OP-- i really relate to a lot of things in this thread. I am a long time player in my mid 30s now, who just switched from directional to zone this year. i had tried zone in years past but couldn't master it and always went back to directional.
i'm a .220 hitter in RS this year so far, with a 95-65 record. Made CS once so far. about a month or two into the year i decided to give zone a real shot and went down a similar path as you. watched a ton of vids, etc. here are some random thoughts:
-- KFs have definitely helped me. i use the high rise, convex kind (color doesn't matter) and i feel they allow me to do "small movements" a lot better than just the stick by itself. honestly, for $15 it is well worth trying. I don't think any of the streamers play without them.
-- got a monitor maybe 2 weeks ago. has made a difference but not as much as the KFs imo.
-- as a zone hitting/PCI noob, i have good days and bad. when i am having a bad day it is usually because i am wildly flailing trying to reach every pitch. This is not a good approach for me. focus on small movements with the PCI (like, tiny) and try to hunt pitches in the middle 1/3rd of the zone. ignore high and low pitches.
-- related to the above, again as a PCI noob, i find it helps me if i tell myself to focus on lateral movements of the PCI only. partially this is because the game auto-moves the PCI down if you swing late and up if you swing early. focus on moving the PCI left-right only and hunt pitches in that middle zone only. refuse to swing at pitches not in that zone (much easier said than done)
-- one other thing that really helps me is, pre-pitch, i have started aligning my PCI vertically with the release point. i find that this REALLY helps me read where a pitch will end up because i can "see" both the release point and the PCI in my periphery. sometimes leaving the PCI in its initial resting point means i can't really "see" my PCI because i am so focused on the pitcher's release point.
-- oh and that really is the #1 hitting tip-- find the pitcher's release point. this is the absolute #1 key to becoming a better hitter.
-- try SZ offset view if you have trouble with high/inside pitches, esp fastballs. it leaves me a bit vulnerable to reading outside pitches when facing same handed matchups, but in oppo handed matchups, it is fantastic, because it makes it so the pitcher's release point is in the middle of the strike zone rather than the edges (if that makes sense)
-- if you're super frustrated with your hitting in RS, try playing some BR. i find that hitting against some crappier pitching on AS difficulty can really help me feel good about my hitting
(have put up some big crooked numbers that rarely happen for me in RS, makes me feel good at least even if it doesn't translate lol)i'm hitting .260 this season and able to compete for the most part. biggest thing is i am slowly becoming more disciplined and able to take walks again as i get better with PCI. even though i miss zone hitting, i am enjoying learning and getting better at the PCI and hope i can make WS some day.
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@lucas8181 said in Why can't I hit?:
@eatyum said in Why can't I hit?:
It sounds like you are in your head way too much. Hard to get consistency when you're trying to do a million things at once.
As for your other questions,
- Yes a monitor would probably help some
- A monitor isn't really making the pitch speed slower, it's more about input lag. (As in from the time you press the button to the batter swinging etc)
- No having a pro really doesn't make any significant difference.
- 25 Mbps is not bad, not great, kinda average.
- Connection can affect gameplay at times yes
One correction, monitors have nothing to do with "input lag", it doesn't change how quickly you swing the bat.
A monitor will have a quicker refresh rate, meaning: The pixel will change quicker, letting you see whats happening in real time. A TV's slow refresh rate means that by the time your TV pixels update, you are seeing things that already happened. Your TV is a time machine, holding you back a few precious milliseconds (Or in many cases, 50-100 milliseconds)
So no, the pitches won't move slower, but you will no longer be reacting to what happened in the past. Your TV is behind the action, the monitor is not.
Playing on a TV will absolutely cause you to have to guess, because by the time you see the ball on your TV, it's already in the glove in the game.
This is true in all reaction based online games. You'll notice a big difference in FPS, sports games, etc.
Playing on a monitor is not going to help with your pci placement.
Also, monitors have a lot to do with input lag. The entire reason why people use them is to reduce input lag.
