Disservice to Larry Walker
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@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@formallyforearms said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Barry Bonds has the highest WAR of all time.
Where are you getting that from? I checked both fWAR, and bWAR have Ruth ahead
Ruth 168.4 fWAR 182.5 bWAR
Bonds 164.4 fWAR 162.8 bWARShould have clarified, highest positional WAR of all time. Babe is higher only because he pitched too. But position wise Bonds is too dog
So, total WAR, whether it be through Baesball Referance, or Fan Graphs, has Ruth higher, as well as higher offensive WAR, but you are going with positional WAR as your argument that Bonds was better? Obviously Ruth's pitching should come into play as well, considering he was great at that too.
I suppose if you are arguing that Bonds was a better overall outfielder, I guess you can make that argument. Otherwise, its Ruth all day, every day. No disrespect in being the second best baseball player of all time though, which would be Bonds.
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@formallyforearms said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@formallyforearms said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Barry Bonds has the highest WAR of all time.
Where are you getting that from? I checked both fWAR, and bWAR have Ruth ahead
Ruth 168.4 fWAR 182.5 bWAR
Bonds 164.4 fWAR 162.8 bWARShould have clarified, highest positional WAR of all time. Babe is higher only because he pitched too. But position wise Bonds is too dog
So, total WAR, whether it be through Baesball Referance, or Fan Graphs, has Ruth higher, as well as higher offensive WAR, but you are going with positional WAR as your argument that Bonds was better? Obviously Ruth's pitching should come into play as well, considering he was great at that too.
I suppose if you are arguing that Bonds was a better overall outfielder, I guess you can make that argument. Otherwise, its Ruth all day, every day. No disrespect in being the second best baseball player of all time though, which would be Bonds.
Pretty accurate.
It's Babe and Bonds 1a/1b to me.. then Mays, and everyone else -
2020 hall of fame class is in game . So Jeter is coming!!!
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I feel like whoever said Walker is better than Bonds was being sarcastic but nonetheless it’s been an informative debate.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Kent, Cepeda and Marichal are not better than Walker. Not even close..
Well can’t compare marichal to walker but definitely Walker better than other two!
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@GQSMOOTH75 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
I mean there’s literally no need to entertain this argument. If that’s what you think I’ll just keep in mind that I can’t take anything you say about baseball seriously. Bonds wasn’t a “great player” he was the best player. Numbers don’t lie, and If you want to discredit him due to the steroid stuff then explain to me why every steroid user didn’t put up these numbers?
Lol... exactly who is arguing that Bonds wasn’t the best player of his time? I never once said that. Did you read my other post about him using? I’m not discrediting him at all. He WAS the best player of his time with or without steriods. I’m not sure what your issue is. I said that you can’t compare him to all time greats because we don’t know what their numbers would be if they took the same “treatments” that Bonds did. Mays Mantle Ruth and Aaron just to make a few on steroids?? I can only imagine what numbers that they would have put up. Why exactly do you think that former super stars are so upset with steroid era players?
Either wake up or learn to read.Dude you literally said he wasn’t better than his own godfather in your post... I think I read that perfectly fine
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@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
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@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
He is too short to get into anyone's face
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@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@GQSMOOTH75 said in [Disservice to Larry Walker
Dude you literally said he wasn’t better than his own godfather in your post... I think I read that perfectly fine
Yes you are right, I literally did say that he wasn’t better then his own Godfather. But considering that his Godfather is Willie Mays and that they didn’t come close to playing in the same era, I guess you didn’t read it perfectly fine. Hmmmmm.... because nowhere did I say that he wasn’t the best player of HIS generation. He was the best player of the steroid era, that doesn’t make him the best of all time.
If you think that Willie Mays wouldn’t have put up numbers like that had he been on steroids then you don’t know anything about baseball. Once again I don’t care that Bonds used. It was all through the game at that point. Look at the all time greats that didn’t use and tell me that their numbers wouldn’t have been better ultimately. You’d be crazy... -
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
If he was against it, he would have said something. He kept quiet and gladly accepted a ring. Nice try, but if you see something that you know is wrong, you speak up. If not, you're as guilty as everyone else.
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@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
If he was against it, he would have said something. He kept quiet and gladly accepted a ring. Nice try, but if you see something that you know is wrong, you speak up. If not, you're as guilty as everyone else.
Ok. Well everyone from the mid 90's through 2005 is guilty of steroid use then bc they all knew it was going on
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@Raider52Morrison said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@PhatWhiteOwl said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Who's Bonds?
I think they are used to bail people out of jail. I don't know why we talking about bail bonds here but maybe somebody here needs to call Saul.
Better.
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My favorite memory of Larry Walker:
My dad and I went to a Cubs/Rockies game at Wrigley 1997. The Cubs were winless to start the season at that point. We had seats in the right field bleachers.
For the entire game, the Cubs fans in right heckled Walker with harsh homophobic slurs, and trash talk about Canada. He did his best to appear he was ignoring them until the 9th inning.
Score is 4-0 Rockies, and the first out is recorded in the bottom of the 9th. Walker swings his arm and snaps his fingers in a "shucks" type of gesture. More intense fans hatred spews out at him. 2 outs, he kicks at the ground and snaps his fingers again like "darn it". Again the crowd is on him even more.
Final out of the game, and Walker finally turns to the bleachers, holds up his hand in a Zero. Then he took off his glove and proceeded to count off on his fingers to get to the Cubs record now of 0-12. He ran off to the infield with a grin on his face to some serious hate talk and a few thrown beverages.
He earned a lot of my respect that day, and both myself and my Dad still laugh when thinking about how he trolled those Cubs fans.
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@SchnauzerFace said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
If Larry Walker married Walker Buehler, then he’d be Larry Buehler.
If Larry Walker ever played for Texas he would have been Larry Walker Texas Ranger.
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@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
If he was against it, he would have said something. He kept quiet and gladly accepted a ring. Nice try, but if you see something that you know is wrong, you speak up. If not, you're as guilty as everyone else.
Ok. Well everyone from the mid 90's through 2005 is guilty of steroid use then bc they all knew it was going on
Absolutely, and they testified about it to congress, wrote books about it, etc. Of course they are guilty, as is Altuve.
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@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
If he was against it, he would have said something. He kept quiet and gladly accepted a ring. Nice try, but if you see something that you know is wrong, you speak up. If not, you're as guilty as everyone else.
Ok. Well everyone from the mid 90's through 2005 is guilty of steroid use then bc they all knew it was going on
Absolutely, and they testified about it to congress, wrote books about it, etc. Of course they are guilty, as is Altuve.
Cool. I guess I disagree with you. I personally like the way Altuve handled it. He went to the guys who were doing it and said he disagreed with it and didn't want to be a part of it. He didn't go to the media or rat out his teammates. And when they got caught, he never denied being a part of it. Took responsibility for not stopping it. Never put himself above the team. I'm sure he will be the leader of this team going forward. The fact is a trash leader who had just spent a couple years with a trash franchise came to the Astros in 2017 and influenced a bunch of young guys to cheat, telling them other playoff teams were doing it too. I'm not making excuses for them, but the whole thing doesn't change my opinion about one of the best dudes in MLB.
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Exciting to see players I watched as a kid
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@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
If he was against it, he would have said something. He kept quiet and gladly accepted a ring. Nice try, but if you see something that you know is wrong, you speak up. If not, you're as guilty as everyone else.
Ok. Well everyone from the mid 90's through 2005 is guilty of steroid use then bc they all knew it was going on
Absolutely, and they testified about it to congress, wrote books about it, etc. Of course they are guilty, as is Altuve.
Cool. I guess I disagree with you. I personally like the way Altuve handled it. He went to the guys who were doing it and said he disagreed with it and didn't want to be a part of it. He didn't go to the media or rat out his teammates. And when they got caught, he never denied being a part of it. Took responsibility for not stopping it. Never put himself above the team. I'm sure he will be the leader of this team going forward. The fact is a trash leader who had just spent a couple years with a trash franchise came to the Astros in 2017 and influenced a bunch of young guys to cheat, telling them other playoff teams were doing it too. I'm not making excuses for them, but the whole thing doesn't change my opinion about one of the best dudes in MLB.
I've never met him, and I doubt you have. Neither of us know if he's "one of the best dudes in MLB".
We do know he was part of a scandal and failed to be an adult and report it.
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@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
If he was against it, he would have said something. He kept quiet and gladly accepted a ring. Nice try, but if you see something that you know is wrong, you speak up. If not, you're as guilty as everyone else.
Ok. Well everyone from the mid 90's through 2005 is guilty of steroid use then bc they all knew it was going on
Absolutely, and they testified about it to congress, wrote books about it, etc. Of course they are guilty, as is Altuve.
Cool. I guess I disagree with you. I personally like the way Altuve handled it. He went to the guys who were doing it and said he disagreed with it and didn't want to be a part of it. He didn't go to the media or rat out his teammates. And when they got caught, he never denied being a part of it. Took responsibility for not stopping it. Never put himself above the team. I'm sure he will be the leader of this team going forward. The fact is a trash leader who had just spent a couple years with a trash franchise came to the Astros in 2017 and influenced a bunch of young guys to cheat, telling them other playoff teams were doing it too. I'm not making excuses for them, but the whole thing doesn't change my opinion about one of the best dudes in MLB.
As a follow up, apparently SDS decided ya'll don't get a TA 3 card. lol
