Disservice to Larry Walker
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Show me statistics that back up your point. And not being better than Willy Mays still puts you top 3 greatest ever, even though he beats Mays in pretty much every category.
The only strike against bonds is of course steroids.. if you ignore than, nobody is close to him other than the babe himselfYou are joking right? The “only” strike against bonds is of course steroids. If you “ignore” that lmao..... you are asking me to show you stats to prove that Bonds wasn’t the best player in history and ignore the second half of his career where his own stats were ridiculously inflated because of steroids??? That is a joke. When every other non using player hits their peak and starts to become “mortal” again, he became an absolute god. But based on all of those inflated stats he was the best ever? You can’t compare him to guys like Mays, Ruth, Mantle, Aaron and others because we will never know what they may have done on steroids.
And before you start.... I’m not against the steroid users. Bonds did it because he was seeing what clearly inferior guys like McGwire and Sosa were doing while using. It’s sad but that was the culture of the times. I’m not upset at Bonds for using, but to say that he’s the best ever when we will never see what the other all time greats could have done with the very same advantages is absolutely ridiculous. I can’t even imagine what type of stats they would have put up if they were users. Even without the use of steroids some players were better. Lmfao... -
Nobody was better than Bonds when he ate every PED he could at the buffet.
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@GQSMOOTH75 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
To say that Bonds is the best player to ever play the game of baseball is just as ignorant as trying to say that Larry Walker is better then Bonds. Bonds wasn’t as good as his own Godfather for starters. Barry Bonds was a great player and yes he was better then Walker. You talk about credibility then drop a statement like that??? Lmao cmon you’re better then that.
I mean there’s literally no need to entertain this argument. If that’s what you think I’ll just keep in mind that I can’t take anything you say about baseball seriously. Bonds wasn’t a “great player” he was the best player. Numbers don’t lie, and If you want to discredit him due to the steroid stuff then explain to me why every steroid user didn’t put up these numbers?
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The fact is, Bonds was an inner circle HOFer before roids. Then he became god.. many were using.. nobody could do what bonds did..
It's like Thanos getting the gauntlet haha.. I feel like a nerd saying that, but it's a great analogy -
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Barry Bonds has the highest WAR of all time.
Where are you getting that from? I checked both fWAR, and bWAR have Ruth ahead
Ruth 168.4 fWAR 182.5 bWAR
Bonds 164.4 fWAR 162.8 bWAR -
I mean there’s literally no need to entertain this argument. If that’s what you think I’ll just keep in mind that I can’t take anything you say about baseball seriously. Bonds wasn’t a “great player” he was the best player. Numbers don’t lie, and If you want to discredit him due to the steroid stuff then explain to me why every steroid user didn’t put up these numbers?
Lol... exactly who is arguing that Bonds wasn’t the best player of his time? I never once said that. Did you read my other post about him using? I’m not discrediting him at all. He WAS the best player of his time with or without steriods. I’m not sure what your issue is. I said that you can’t compare him to all time greats because we don’t know what their numbers would be if they took the same “treatments” that Bonds did. Mays Mantle Ruth and Aaron just to make a few on steroids?? I can only imagine what numbers that they would have put up. Why exactly do you think that former super stars are so upset with steroid era players?
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It all depends on where you go to check WAR. Baseball reference has 3 plays ahead of Bonds. Ruth, Johnson, and Young.
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@REDSMAN09 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@VEGAS__T said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Did someone say Jon Dowd?
Only the real ones will recognize that name lol
Hahaha Truth
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@formallyforearms said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Barry Bonds has the highest WAR of all time.
Where are you getting that from? I checked both fWAR, and bWAR have Ruth ahead
Ruth 168.4 fWAR 182.5 bWAR
Bonds 164.4 fWAR 162.8 bWARShould have clarified, highest positional WAR of all time. Babe is higher only because he pitched too. But position wise Bonds is too dog
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@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@formallyforearms said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Barry Bonds has the highest WAR of all time.
Where are you getting that from? I checked both fWAR, and bWAR have Ruth ahead
Ruth 168.4 fWAR 182.5 bWAR
Bonds 164.4 fWAR 162.8 bWARShould have clarified, highest positional WAR of all time. Babe is higher only because he pitched too. But position wise Bonds is too dog
So, total WAR, whether it be through Baesball Referance, or Fan Graphs, has Ruth higher, as well as higher offensive WAR, but you are going with positional WAR as your argument that Bonds was better? Obviously Ruth's pitching should come into play as well, considering he was great at that too.
I suppose if you are arguing that Bonds was a better overall outfielder, I guess you can make that argument. Otherwise, its Ruth all day, every day. No disrespect in being the second best baseball player of all time though, which would be Bonds.
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@formallyforearms said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@formallyforearms said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@Ikasnu said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Barry Bonds has the highest WAR of all time.
Where are you getting that from? I checked both fWAR, and bWAR have Ruth ahead
Ruth 168.4 fWAR 182.5 bWAR
Bonds 164.4 fWAR 162.8 bWARShould have clarified, highest positional WAR of all time. Babe is higher only because he pitched too. But position wise Bonds is too dog
So, total WAR, whether it be through Baesball Referance, or Fan Graphs, has Ruth higher, as well as higher offensive WAR, but you are going with positional WAR as your argument that Bonds was better? Obviously Ruth's pitching should come into play as well, considering he was great at that too.
I suppose if you are arguing that Bonds was a better overall outfielder, I guess you can make that argument. Otherwise, its Ruth all day, every day. No disrespect in being the second best baseball player of all time though, which would be Bonds.
Pretty accurate.
It's Babe and Bonds 1a/1b to me.. then Mays, and everyone else -
2020 hall of fame class is in game . So Jeter is coming!!!
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I feel like whoever said Walker is better than Bonds was being sarcastic but nonetheless it’s been an informative debate.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Kent, Cepeda and Marichal are not better than Walker. Not even close..
Well can’t compare marichal to walker but definitely Walker better than other two!
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@GQSMOOTH75 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
I mean there’s literally no need to entertain this argument. If that’s what you think I’ll just keep in mind that I can’t take anything you say about baseball seriously. Bonds wasn’t a “great player” he was the best player. Numbers don’t lie, and If you want to discredit him due to the steroid stuff then explain to me why every steroid user didn’t put up these numbers?
Lol... exactly who is arguing that Bonds wasn’t the best player of his time? I never once said that. Did you read my other post about him using? I’m not discrediting him at all. He WAS the best player of his time with or without steriods. I’m not sure what your issue is. I said that you can’t compare him to all time greats because we don’t know what their numbers would be if they took the same “treatments” that Bonds did. Mays Mantle Ruth and Aaron just to make a few on steroids?? I can only imagine what numbers that they would have put up. Why exactly do you think that former super stars are so upset with steroid era players?
Either wake up or learn to read.Dude you literally said he wasn’t better than his own godfather in your post... I think I read that perfectly fine
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@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
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@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
He is too short to get into anyone's face
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@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@GQSMOOTH75 said in [Disservice to Larry Walker
Dude you literally said he wasn’t better than his own godfather in your post... I think I read that perfectly fine
Yes you are right, I literally did say that he wasn’t better then his own Godfather. But considering that his Godfather is Willie Mays and that they didn’t come close to playing in the same era, I guess you didn’t read it perfectly fine. Hmmmmm.... because nowhere did I say that he wasn’t the best player of HIS generation. He was the best player of the steroid era, that doesn’t make him the best of all time.
If you think that Willie Mays wouldn’t have put up numbers like that had he been on steroids then you don’t know anything about baseball. Once again I don’t care that Bonds used. It was all through the game at that point. Look at the all time greats that didn’t use and tell me that their numbers wouldn’t have been better ultimately. You’d be crazy... -
@sbevans142 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@lucas8181 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
@theman925 said in Disservice to Larry Walker:
Lmao if you’re arguing that Walker is better than Bonds you lose any credibility you ever had. Bonds is the best player to ever play the sport.
Imagine people saying that about Altuve, but you won't, because Altuve had a trash can. But you support a guy that used illegal drugs for half his career. Find your priorities, think about what your saying, edit the comment, and we will visit this again in the future
There was a trash can bang in 14 of Altuves 700 plus plate appearances in 2017. Correa has stated that Altuve did not want the bangs and would get pissed and get in guys faces when it did happen. I'm an Astro fan and what they did was wrong. But Altuve is not the dude yall should be pissed at. People have made him the face of this scandal. It's just dumb bc he plays the right way, is a good dude, and was against it. The face of this scandal should be Beltran and Cora.
If he was against it, he would have said something. He kept quiet and gladly accepted a ring. Nice try, but if you see something that you know is wrong, you speak up. If not, you're as guilty as everyone else.
