Starters as relievers
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@NatsChampions19 said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
This post is embarrassing on so many levels. The only time you rarely see starters come out of the bullpen during the regular season is during marathon extra inning games or true emergencies. It should not be routine in online play.
Have you ever watched postseason (aka must win) games. Last year in the world series Corbin came into relief many times. Chris Sale closed out the world series in 2018. Even in the division series Kershaw was brought in during the 8th inning(unfortunately he gave up back to back hr) . Online games are not "regular season games" where wins don't matter as much, so it does make sense to bring in your best pitchers when ever you want.
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I think it cheapens the value of your bullpen. I’m fine with using starters in relief but only after you’ve used all your relievers. I don’t work counts against Kluber for 7 innings only to have Oswalt to come in after I get him out of the game. Plus, I’m sick of facing the same 4 pitchers every game. There can be a balance between competitiveness and sportsmanship and between freedom of choice and realism.
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Part of relief pitching is not knowing what's going to happen, as a relief pitcher. Starting pitchers prepare for and are ready to throw 6- 7+ innings. That's why I'm okay with reliever confidence being lower. I play mostly offline and haven't seen or tried bringing in a starter as a reliever, but I'm going to try today. We could think about the preparation that starters go through both before a start and before coming in for relief to see if energy and confidence for starters matches well with the stretching, throwing and exercise they'd go through before a real life appearance. Relief pitchers, for example, are not able to get jogging in the bullpen like starters do in the outfield before first pitch.
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If we ever get better relievers it will change ! But there just isnt good relievers in the game !! If we keep seeing starters more and more! It makes them easier to hit! Who cares
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Starters as relievers:
The idea isn’t the issue, the execution of said idea is the problem.
Starters coming out of the bullpen is part of baseball, and will likely become even more prevalent in the future. SDS just needs to figure out how to limit the usage of starters out of the pen in RS.
Starters coming out of bullpen is a part of baseball? Happens zero times per season in regular season. Only in playoffs... more specifically World Series sometimes
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But I like playing with current rosters in H2H never understood how it’s fun playing with full team of all stars with unrealistic uniforms In a minor league park. But I know that’s what everyone loves now
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In H2H u can’t pitch starter in relief
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@HeadCoach11787 said in Starters as relievers:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Starters as relievers:
The idea isn’t the issue, the execution of said idea is the problem.
Starters coming out of the bullpen is part of baseball, and will likely become even more prevalent in the future. SDS just needs to figure out how to limit the usage of starters out of the pen in RS.
Starters coming out of bullpen is a part of baseball? Happens zero times per season in regular season. Only in playoffs... more specifically World Series sometimes
I guess you’ve never watched a single Rays game huh?
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Starters as relievers:
@HeadCoach11787 said in Starters as relievers:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Starters as relievers:
The idea isn’t the issue, the execution of said idea is the problem.
Starters coming out of the bullpen is part of baseball, and will likely become even more prevalent in the future. SDS just needs to figure out how to limit the usage of starters out of the pen in RS.
Starters coming out of bullpen is a part of baseball? Happens zero times per season in regular season. Only in playoffs... more specifically World Series sometimes
I guess you’ve never watched a single Rays game huh?
They start a reliever They don’t have Blake Snell or Charlie Morton coming out of bullpen
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@HeadCoach11787 said in Starters as relievers:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Starters as relievers:
@HeadCoach11787 said in Starters as relievers:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Starters as relievers:
The idea isn’t the issue, the execution of said idea is the problem.
Starters coming out of the bullpen is part of baseball, and will likely become even more prevalent in the future. SDS just needs to figure out how to limit the usage of starters out of the pen in RS.
Starters coming out of bullpen is a part of baseball? Happens zero times per season in regular season. Only in playoffs... more specifically World Series sometimes
I guess you’ve never watched a single Rays game huh?
They start a reliever They don’t have Blake Snell or Charlie Morton coming out of bullpen
They use an opener, then bring a starter out of the bullpen.
It was quite effective as well.
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I just used all 5 of my starters in a 15 inning game
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
This is literally the worst idea SDS has ever come up with. I’m so sick and tired of facing 3-4 starters every single [censored] game! It’s out of control and just is plain stupid as hell
I’ve blown so many games with my bullpen that anything less than 5 runs lead doesn’t feel safe.
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Starters as relievers:
The idea isn’t the issue, the execution of said idea is the problem.
Starters coming out of the bullpen is part of baseball, and will likely become even more prevalent in the future. SDS just needs to figure out how to limit the usage of starters out of the pen in RS.
I’m aware it is a part of baseball. But that’s not how they do it and you’re talking about 1 or 2 teams that do it, and they aren’t bringing in 3-4 starters every [censored] game. They might start a game with a reliever and then bring a starter in for the 3rd inning on. They aren’t using 4 starters for 2 innings each...
And on another note, I love how my opponent can’t touch my pitches for 5-6 innings and I go up 5-0 or 6-0 and then all of a sudden it becomes a HR derby and I lose 7-6 because they hit 7 solo HRs. It really is ridiculous
The issue which I have harped on several times is stamina and confidence. Reliever Reliever stamina needs to be at 100% inatead of 80%. Starters coming in as relievers need to be taxes a 1 game penalty before stamina regen begins. And need to be double taxed stamina while pitching in relief. Starting confidence should also be reduced, not to the point of no line on the mechanic, but not at neutral either. Starters as relievers need to be an emergency decision to get out of a game where your bullpen has been thrashed, not the META.
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@flamexJD20 said in Starters as relievers:
As is said multiple.times before, the Opener Strategy becomes more and more popular.
How SDS implented it in the game is the problem!- No Starter subbed in allowed after the 3rd Inning.
- It should hurt his recovery or drain his Stamina faster when subbed in.
- Relievers Stamina needs to be at 100%. I dont understand why they only have 75% Energy from the begin with
Agree with everyhing but disallowing it after the 3rd. If people want to tax their rotation stamina, they should be able to make that decision. However the consequences of that decision need to be greater. Right now people can throw Kluber and Hal for 3 innings each game, and never really be that concerned with stamina hits. There needs to be a minimum 1 game no stamina regen at all penalty added to starters brought in in relief. It should jump to 2 games if it's on short rest, not at max stamina.
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@c7susb9 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
Lol this is the worst post I’ve read in a long time. Let me know the next time you see a MLB team throw any starter in back to back games just to win
Arizona brought in Randy Johnson in relief of game 7 of the 2001 WS after throwing 7 innings the day before in game 6. For the record, I think being able to throw Kluber 2 innings every game and him not be tired is a problem that should be addressed. However, this system is SO much better than last year where you might not get to use even once him for 15 games. Also, the reason teams don’t use this strategy in the regular season (IMO) is due to fear of injury, which isn’t and shouldn’t be a part of DD. Hopefully they tweak the stamina a bit, but I like the ability to use every pitcher on my team.
The reason is also because they have a 5-6 man rotation and not 20 usable, high-quality SP to churn through.
