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TL/DR: Like this post to vote for an increase of Stan Musial’s speed attribute

Here is my case:

Ok, so a few weeks ago I posted that Stan Musial was done dirty with his 47 speed. I mentioned that he was tied for 19th on the all-time triples list, and only one player ahead of him was even born in the 20th century. The guys ahead of him played in ballparks that didn’t even have outfield fences. Lol

Speaking of ballparks, some argued that it was the bigger ballparks that Musial played in that inflated his triples. So, I decided to compare his numbers with other cards in the game who’s careers overlapped with Musial’s. This is what I found:

First, let’s start with Stan the Man himself.

He hit 177 triples in his career. He also stole 78 bases, with a 52% stolen base success rate. He has 47 speed in this game.

Jackie Robinson and Pee Wee Reese had far fewer triples than Musial, but stole way more bases at a way higher success rate. I will not argue that Musial should be as fast as they are. But....

Duke Snider hit 85 triples, and stole 99 bases at a 57% success rate. He has 69 speed, making him WAY faster than Musial. That isn’t right.

Monte Irvin only hit 31 triples. Now, he did steal bases successfully at a 75% rate, but he only stole 28 bases in his entire career. That means his skipper rarely sent him. He was probably pretty slow. In this game? 66 speed, almost 20 points higher than Musial. That isn’t right.

Ted Williams hit just 71 triples; more than 100 FEWER than Musial. He also stole fewer bases (71), at a slightly higher success rate (58%). He is faster than Musial in this game with 56 speed.

Minnie Minoso hit 83 triples. He did steal 205 bases, but his success rate was only 61%. That’s good, but is it 87 speed good?

When you compare Minoso with Al Kaline, though, you’re left with more questions than answers. Kaline hit nearly as many triples (75), and stole 137 bases AT A 67% SUCCESS RATE! That’s not too shabby. Yet Kaline has just 62 speed.

Larry Doby hit just 52 triples and stole just 47 bases at 56%. He has 64 speed and is faster than Musial. That isn’t right.

Eddie Mathews hit 72 triples, and stole fewer bases than Musial. Mathews is faster. That isn’t right.

Bill Mazeroski hit fewer triples and stole fewer bases. He is faster than Musial. That isn’t right.

Ernie Banks and Joe Torre are both faster than Musial in this game, yet COMBINED they have fewer triples AND fewer stolen bases than Musial. And they both got caught stealing more than they were successful (48% and 44%, respectively).

So if you think SDS has committed a grave injustice against Stan “The Man” Musial by giving him just 47 speed, like this post to make your voice heard.

We demand a boost of AT LEAST ten attribute points to his speed rating, in order to give credit where credit is due. Stan did not work that hard all those years only to be disrespected like this. He did not give his blood, sweat, and tears to entertain the baseball world, only to have the memory of his skill set so slandered by SDS.

It’s one thing to make a mistake. But when you know better, you do better.

SDS: Now you know better. Please do better.

(PS: This is all in good fun. I’m not really upset about it. I’m not even a Cardinals fan. I’m just saying...)

I was interested in learning more about the career of Stan the Man so I did a little research.

Turns out he is 19th on the all time triples list, and no one ahead of him on the list played after WWII. Not even close. Only one guy was even born in the 20th century (1903).

The year this card represents, his MVP season of 1948, he led the majors with 18 triples.

Yet he only has 47 speed. Unless you’re playing at Polo, I don’t think 47 speed can even get a triple in this game.

Anyway, just sharing what I learned about the great Stan Musial...

Just say you’re a good hitter.

You don’t have to disguise your humble brag as a solicitation of advice. You’re too good at the game to act like you don’t know what to do with Tatis.

I’ll converse with you without disrespecting. This is my opinion:

The game is simply too hard. Years ago the casual player could turn on a fastball, check swing on a breaking ball, and score some runs. But back then this forum was awash with people complaining about how their opponent scored a run when they shouldn’t have. “Skills don't matter” was the most common refrain.

Now you almost have to be a machine to hit well consistently, especially on HoF and Legend, but even AS is too hard for the casuals.

Back when it was easier, people wouldn’t admit when the easier gameplay allowed them to score—oh no. That was all skill. But when “Little Billy” scored because he checked his swing three times then hit a homer with less than perfect timing, the world was ending.

Say what you will about all that, but the game was more fun to play back then.

I don’t think they can go back now, though. The diehards have trained themselves to be better hitters. If they make it as easy to hit as it was in, say, 2016, everyone would seem like a goon, and the real goons would score 50 runs/game.

My view: SDS bowed to the hardcore crowd and sent the casual and somewhat dedicated MBLTS gamers to the showers. I don’t think it’s the all 99s that have turned people away. It’s having a lineup full of 99s and losing 1-0 that’s doing it.

I think this is fantastic.

To everybody blasting it, consider the rich history of baseball. There have been many different eras, and this game has given us cards from just about every one of them.

We’ve had Moonshot events and every other kind of event, why not a Dead Ball Era? I think it’s genius.

Remember, some people/organizations (Irl or video game) prefer high-scoring and build their teams around that. Others believe in pitching and defense and build their team around that.

Why shouldn’t they have their event, too? There is nothing wrong with honoring a distinct era of baseball in this video game, especially when the game features players of that era.

For those of you who love power and play at Shippett, sit this one out, just like others have sat out the Moonshot and what not.

For me, I could go either way. I may play this Event a lot and I may not play it much, but I think it’s cool that SDS is honoring this era by including it in the game.

I’m a competitor. And in my younger days I was a pretty good athlete. All sports came pretty easy to me. Then I played golf…

Very humbling. But I was still a fierce competitor, so I would get mad at my bad shots; slamming clubs and cussing up a storm.

One day I was paired with this elderly couple. I’m playing awful, as is customary, and cussing up a storm. The old man walks up to me, puts his hand on my shoulder and calmly and gently tells me:

“You aren’t good enough to be mad.”

Just something to think about for those of us who get mad at The Show…Are we really good enough to blame the “mechanics” or the “hitting engine” when we take losses?

I’ve since taken my golf game way less seriously. And although I still suck, I have a much better time when I’m on the course.

I don’t know but I wouldn’t mind that stadium being taken out of the game. I am SO. DANG. TIRED. of playing at Shippett.

@tybud_PSN said in This game is too hard:

So I guess if you were undefeated then the game would be just right?

So tired of you people not wanting any challenges in this game.

Don’t be tired, bro, and don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say I should be undefeated, or that the game shouldn’t be challenging. I’m 51-30 and my average is like .230-something. What does that tell you?

I just played a guy who had everyone in his lineup to P5, with tons of homers and RBIs, but his highest batting average was .215 (Charisma Wander Franco). Most guys were between .140-.175 (including WBC Trout).

Take the streamers and goons out of the equation, and nearly everyone struggles to score runs. You think that’s how it should be? Twelve or more strikeouts every game? I don’t think a video game should play like that.

This is more observation than complaint, but...

You know what is a huge waste of time in this game?

Cut aways for the appeal of a check swing.

If you consider how infrequently they actually call it a strike it seems pretty pointless for that little feature.

Wait a minute....You’re 40 years old, Chuck, and you’re berating people on the Internet for the “slang” they use?

Wow. That’s funny. I thought you were a teen. Seriously.

Eatyum showed you how and why you were misguided in your comments but you kept digging your hole deeper and deeper.

Eatyum told you that you can’t determine the level of “self-respect” or education level of someone by the slang or meme phrases they use on the Internet.

In this case, he was right! I graduated magna cum laude with a degree in History and have earned two graduate degrees, including a Master’s. That’s pretty well educated. Wouldn’t you agree?

When Eatyum pointed out how wrong you were, you said you were right and that it was about “context.” You said it was too much to go into detail here, then spent numerous other posts and walls of text to explain further why you were wrong. So no, it wasn’t too much detail to go into, it was the lack of of a substantial argument that prevented further explanation.

There are three main things about this whole thread that I find hilariously ironic.

1. You are denigrating people for their grammar, yet your posts contain several grammatical errors.

2. You said, “If someone says something I dont (grammatical error in original) like...it would be better for me [to not] get offend[ed] by it...But guys joking around about something that has nothing to do with me is a conversation I, as a human being, would be better off staying away from.”

Uh....are you serious? That’s EXACTLY what you did NOT do when you commented on “bro” and “bruh.”

3. You’re 40, telling Eatyum, who is in his early 20’s, that he needs to mature and learn the ways of the world when, clearly, he has a much more broad, thoughtful, considerate, and mature worldview than you.

Sorry, Chuck. I’ve seen you post many times on this forum and never took issue with anything you’ve said before. I still don’t have a problem with you.

But in this situation, you took the ‘L’...........bro.

There is no doubt about it: replaying a homerun is douchey. To me, it is akin to all the many unwritten rules in baseball that are meant to keep people from rubbing it in. Replaying a homerun is definitely rubbing it in.

Also, I think replaying home runs on AS is especially douchey, as anyone can hit a homerun with terrible timing and/or PCI placement on AS.

However, I will say that giving us the ability to replay homeruns when we hit them but not replay when we rob one is messed up. If we have one we should have the other.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

Relief pitchers are useless with the way it is structured now. From stamina to confidence and the three batter minimum, the recipe is disastrous. And that’s why we see so many starters out of the pen. You can’t blame the community of players for doing that when using a reliever has cost them so many leads.

At first I thought all these errors in the outfield were because my team wasn’t stacked and I had guys that could hit, but were bronze fielders or worse.

I just had Mookie Betts, a guy with a 97 fielding rating, miss a routine flyball to right field. And I mean *routine. * It wasn’t smoked to his right or left, and he missed the ball while on a dead sprint. No. It was hit high, and was a can of corn. Error.

I like that fielding attributes matter. But if they matter, and weak fielders make errors, so I upgrade my team for better defenders, and they still make worse errors than the bronze guys, what’s the point?

It’s time to fix this, SDS. I am in a league/chat with a lot of longtime players of this game; guys who have played through a lot of patches and glitches for years. We have never talked about NOT playing this game. Well, we are talking about it now. That’s troubling because I know we aren’t alone.

Fix the fielding. Then the pitching. Make this game playable.

Have mercy on me, y’all. I made a thread about my slump before and here is another.

I have lost 9 of my last 10 in Ranked, bringing my record to 105-58. That’s a winning percentage of .644.

The winning percentages of the guys that I’ve lost to are:

.540
.546
.541
.555
.647
.679
.735
.554
.626

Only three had a better winning percentage than me, and one just barely.

I don’t expect to win every game, even against guys with a lower winning percentage. It’s baseball. Anyone can get beat on any day. But to go from winning approximately 65% of your games down to 10% is too much to bear!

Anyway, I thought I’d share my misery with the community. I’m kind of having fun with it now in the sense that I am genuinely curious as to how bad it can get.

Good luck, everyone! And keep your fingers crossed that you get matched up with me...Lol

@the_dragon1912 said in Stan Musial should be faster:

Triples back then definitely had more to do with the parks than the speed of the runner. Lou Gehrig is 33rd all time in Triples and I don’t see anyone making this argument for him lol

Gehrig’s SIG card last year had 64 speed. If Stan Musial had 64 speed, I would not have made this post.

People need to chill. Is this game frustrating? Yeah, sometimes.

But to say it’s scripted, or that stick skills don’t matter is nonsense.

If that was the case, everyone would have similar batting averages and similar win/loss records. Clearly, stick skills DO matter, and that’s why some guys win 98% of their games and bat .400. They have stick skills.

It kills me when people who are barely over .500 with a batting average of .210 get on here and say “stick skills don’t matter.” How would you know? You don’t have any stick skills.

Guys who can only square up 2 pitches in an entire game get mad when those swings don’t go for hits. Yeah, that’s frustrating. But if you could get more good swings you’d get rewarded more.

For years, people jumped on this forum every time they gave up a homer on a less than perfect swing and said dumb things about helping “Little Billy.” People said their stick skills didn’t matter, because they lined out more than they liked and gave up an occasional off PCI homer.

So SDS said fine, we will make it so that you have to consistently put good swings on the ball to score runs. And now what? All y’all are finding out that you’ve been Little Billy all along.

And for the record, I am not good at this game. I’m average at best. I’m just disappointed because the game has been changed to make hitting harder for everyone. The result has been that the elites are still the elites, they’re just scoring less. The average guys are still average, and they’re scoring less. And the bums are the bums, and they aren’t scoring at all.

I’ve long argued that hitting is too hard across the board. I stand by that. But I’ve never said that skills don’t matter.

Every time y’all take a loss, you need to look inward and admit you most likely didn’t swing the bat well consistently. Learn to take a loss, and stop exaggerating how good you are in this game.

Keep in mind that the only reason MLB managers don’t use starters as relievers that often is because they have to keep them fresh for their next start.

The moment the playoffs come, and it’s win or go home, and there is no guaranteed next start, out come the starters from the bullpen.

That’s all Ranked Seasons is—win or go home, playoff intensity, every game. Why should I be prevented from draining the stamina of a SP in RS? What if don’t want to plan for my next game? What if I want to win THIS game?

Stop crying about this, you guys. It’s the correct move.

Now, if we could get some better SPs and RPs I’d be happy. Just for some variety. Haha.

I love the game. Content is off the charts and gameplay is way better than people like to give it credit for...

But by far, the thing that bothers me the most is the infrequency in which pitches on the black are called for strikes.

If any part of the ball touches any part of the strike zone, it is a strike.

This is a video game, not real life. Bad umpiring should not be programmed in for H2H games.

I feel like we shouldn’t let this issue die and should periodically remind SDS of this.

Now that I got that off my chest (again), let’s get back to playing some ball!

Eliminate moments and you got yourself a deal.

@jonblaze2424_psn said in Playing the game makes me feel physically uncomfortable:

@msu-bulldog-dan_xbl said in Playing the game makes me feel physically uncomfortable:

@jonblaze2424_psn said in Playing the game makes me feel physically uncomfortable:

@a761506_mlbts said in Playing the game makes me feel physically uncomfortable:

It has never been like this before, but the 2021 version of the game took a step backwards by allowing high level pitchers to be far too strong, and with so many able to hit edges and corners with unbelievable consistency, the game has me on edge every time I play it online to the point that my gut is physically aggravated and it is an uncomfortable feeling. I think it's from all the failure. This game is no fun when you can't bat .200 with every player on your god squad and you're facing a guy who can pinpoint on command.

To be honest, I have come to hate playing.

Hitting this year was BY FAR the easiest in the 7 years I’ve been playing this game. Unfortunately this sounds like a you problem

This is my first year playing The Show and I still know your full of [censored]. Pitching is stupid easy and op. As a first year player I should not have a .99 ERA with all my pitchers combined in online play.

0.99 in what….2 games??? I’ve put Hundreds upon hundreds of hours into this game spanning as long as i can remember and it has never, ever been easier to score runs…and i sure as hell know my vision isn’t getting any better

You saying it has never “been easier to hit” is an opinion.

The data shows that nearly everyone who has played DD for multiple years has seen their average drop considerably with this year’s game. We all can see our stats from previous years.

So if you’re hitting better, you’ve improved. Good for you. But don’t get on here and say the game is easier, because we all have data to prove that is false.