How is the Community Market feeling?
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@JDHalfrack_PSN probably like me
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS you should maybe remove all permanent restrictions then as you are not sure who is human or who is bot if legitimate users are being restricted, sorry to keep on harping on about this but a week later we are still where we are.
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@Bridge-Piece_XBL bots are definitely still present. Not as consistent. Not every card. But I am aware what bot behavior looks like versus human behavior. You can see in this video that bots are still present as of 8am CT this morning: https://drive.google.com/file/d/174rG8peFll0IJ8BWzaVJRHfqlh9fqGXM/view?usp=drivesdk.
I’m very very thankful SDS is attacking this problem and communicating. And the issue is better, but not completely resolved. @manu_sds_psn
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS I can conduct market transactions on the Xbox just fine and I use my controller, that's it. It's annoying, it's clunky, sometimes I press the wrong button, but it works. I don't think it's fair to target users of one platform over others.
I don't want marketplace transactions on console to be flagged for fast user input. The only thing that should be done is perhaps a check to see if external hardware is connected to run bots?
But that world is beyond me, because I've always played fairly. Cheating is for losers.
Whatever you do SDS, please don't punish or slow down honest players for being skilled. And thank you for keeping us updated and communicating with us on this bot problem.
(I also saw that cards on the market took a massive dip overnight on July 1. So maybe the bots are back, boo hiss)
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The console does not have restrictions afaik.. at least I have not run into any.
You guys will do what you’re going to do, but before adding more restrictions on normal users, I’d love to see how the marketplace operates if the api refused connections coming from emulators and virtual machines. I’d think there’s more than a couple of ways to identify and block without negatively impacting any legit actors.
I think the initial results from the rate limiting have revealed how heavy the bot activity has been. I know I’m not the only one that appreciates the effort being put into combatting the problem and restoring the integrity of the marketplace.
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@Oliver230230230_PSN said:
I think the initial results from the rate limiting have revealed how heavy the bot activity has been. I know I’m not the only one that appreciates the effort being put into combatting the problem and restoring the integrity of the marketplace.I could tell something was wrong with the market from the get go. I've been engaging with the community market since 2019. You could just feel it was off compared to previous years, something was amiss. Like a disturbance in the Force.
Good to know that bots have indeed been screwing with the market and that there's data to back it up. It feels so much better than questioning whether or not I'm crazy, haha
But what about the software or whatever that allows this to happen? Like whatever is enabling these bots to do what they do needs to be shut down.
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the rate limiter can occasionally award a cooldown to a legitimate power user, however that only lasts a few seconds;
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS then please explain how a legitimate user like myself has been restricted since last thursday?
I have not used a bot
My computer has no emulation software on it
I have never used a auto clicker
I have never used automation toolsI placed some orders to buy and sell commons.
This should stand out as a warning to anyone, you can be restricted through no fault of your own due to the algorithm deciding you are a bot.
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@VOReason1976_XBL bro, I get it. You’re irritated. I’m sure I’ve replied to you more than once about having the same experience a few weeks ago. I filed a ticket that did not get responded to for a week. When it was replied to, the restriction was already gone. I did not gain any insight on why it happened to me and it was a very upsetting experience. I’m so Sorry you’re going through it atm. But Like I tell my kids, you’re just going to have to have some patients now and that’s all you can do - and there’s nothing I can do either. You’re jumping into every thread trying to make it about your problem. It totally sucks this happened to you. Sucks it happened to me. Sucks when it happens to anybody that doesn’t deserve it. But dude, don’t hijack and derail every thread on the forum, especially ones where there’s actually some interaction with someone who might be able to help with problems that affect more than just you. I don’t mean to be rude, but come on now. I’ve seen tons of folks reply to you that you’re just going to need to be patient and use the console for the marketplace in the meantime. That’s it. Period. The end. I hope it gets resolved for you quickly!
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@Player99_MLBTS makes so much sense
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HOWDY
How is the Community Market feeling NOW?
With the updates released at
16h00 Pacific, I can see a heartwarming amount of unwanted traffic hitting the wall...I will enable Market Protection Level III at
17h30 PacificLet me know if you experience any issue!
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I've had no issues with the market today, yesterday I was doing a bit and it was fine and then at 7:30 Eastern hit a wall of bots popping up everywhere, haven't seen them today
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Not loving it, I trade often and now I’ve been restricted, it thinks I’m a bot
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Tonight, it’s freezing me if I post 4 trades in a 30 second span.
I appreciate the work you’re doing, but that feels like too tight a collar.
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@SaveFarris_PSN I’ve been totally restricted. They’ve gone a little too far.
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Humans who trade like bots are bound to get a little ban here and there
(not saying it's your case)
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS I will say Thank You for the engagement and responses you have provided for us. This is all well needed and appreciated.
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I can only put in 3 or 4 buy or sell order at a time before triggering the temporary naughty corner. it was 11 buys or sells before, what gives. If this is the case then I might as well do away with the app because it'll be quicker/more efficient on the console or website.
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@DrBear100_PSN
I am having the same experience
