Moonshot 2.0 Reveals
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@Dolenz_PSN said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
I am a little upset right now.
They did Ozzie wrong on his fielding. They stuck him behind a collection that I can only finish if I buy a bunch of cards.
Add that to the fact that I will have to pay a fortune for Bob Gibson and most of my desire to play today has evaporated
I can't earn either by simply playing
Yeah, this goes back to the post I made earlier in the week. Its fine for Bob to be an exclusive reward initially, but it shouldnt be locked to online play permanently.
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They have a tendency to put Cardinals in packs. Both Brock and Winn I believe were in the pack from the first moonshot.
Wasn't Joe Torre a Headliner
Liam Doyle was in a PackUgh, I just looked at the prices for the first round of Moonshot cards.
Ozzie is completely out of reach for me, at least until the market crashes or we are well past the end of the year and prices are cheap.
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I'm kind of all over the place with how I feel about Moonshot 2.0
Some cards were great, made sense and were well balanced.
Other cards looked like Moonshot 1.0 cards. A lot of power with either slow speed or poor fielding.
Would've liked to have seen more balance and consistency throughout all the cards.Luckily, the only card that I want to chase is that Tim Raines and he's the first collection.
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WTF SDS
Barry Larkin also got Ozzie'd, but even worse. He has a SIXTY FLD. multiple gold glove winner. 379 SBs. Cant field or run. This isnt a useable Barry larkin, its a DH card for some other guy
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And endgame Ozzie Smith should have 99 FLD. And end game Tim Raines should have 99 speed. And end game Barry larkin should not have 60 stl.
Its a shame, because parts of the drop are inspired. Ashburn had 1/4 of his career HRs in his one seasonw ith the Mets, so its actually clever the Mets get his moonshot. Aaron as the big reward is fantastic. But there is no reason why they [censored] on some of these legends top card of the year (yet didnt for others)
Like Bagwell may not have been a great fielder, but Bronze? While Pena gets to be silver?
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@Dolenz_PSN Same man, further solidifying my decision to focus on Borderlands 4. F that collection.
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I actually cursed when Ashley said Cardinal fans because I was sure they were locking Stan away behind a collection. We still need an updated Stan (inning boss) and Lou Brock.
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@Dolenz_PSN Wait until this moonshot pack hits the deluxe etc. … Then prices will come down. Your Ozzie is my Rickey and I will not overspend one of my 2.6M stubs
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@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN Wait until this moonshot pack hits the deluxe etc. … Then prices will come down. Your Ozzie is my Rickey and I will not overspend one of my 2.6M stubs
I only have 400K although I could sell a bunch.
I am assuming at least half of that is needed for Gibson.
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@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN Wait until this moonshot pack hits the deluxe etc. … Then prices will come down. Your Ozzie is my Rickey and I will not overspend one of my 2.6M stubs
The difference is your Rickey will still steal like Rickey on the basepaths. The Ozzie will not field like Ozzie.
This after already giving Ozzie a sub 90 defense card
They [censored] on The Wizard, and even as a non Cardinals fan I can't approve of that
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN Wait until this moonshot pack hits the deluxe etc. … Then prices will come down. Your Ozzie is my Rickey and I will not overspend one of my 2.6M stubs
The difference is your Rickey will still steal like Rickey on the basepaths. The Ozzie will not field like Ozzie.
This after already giving Ozzie a sub 90 defense card
They [censored] on The Wizard, and even as a non Cardinals fan I can't approve of that
The debate was about getting him …
And: It is pretty clear that those Moonshot cards do things different than their usual cards
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@Dolenz_PSN said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN Wait until this moonshot pack hits the deluxe etc. … Then prices will come down. Your Ozzie is my Rickey and I will not overspend one of my 2.6M stubs
I only have 400K although I could sell a bunch.
I am assuming at least half of that is needed for Gibson.
You can keep running the new mini season for old moonshot packs at least, it will get you most of the way
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@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN Wait until this moonshot pack hits the deluxe etc. … Then prices will come down. Your Ozzie is my Rickey and I will not overspend one of my 2.6M stubs
The difference is your Rickey will still steal like Rickey on the basepaths. The Ozzie will not field like Ozzie.
This after already giving Ozzie a sub 90 defense card
They [censored] on The Wizard, and even as a non Cardinals fan I can't approve of that
The debate was about getting him …
And: It is pretty clear that those Moonshot cards do things different than their usual cards
But the problem is Ozzie never got a "usual" card this year. He has gotten two cards with under 90 fielding on both.
In fact his 99 card has even lower fielding than his 89 card did.
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@Dolenz_PSN I just looked up Ozzie … Sorry, that is the most usable Ozzie we ever had … If he could need something, it would be speed …This card plays and I am really looking forward putting him on my Cardinals end-game-theme-team-cycle squad (I do all teams starting around xmas).
If I were you and I would really need him rn, I would simply get him. If not: this Weatherholt will do too
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@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN I just looked up Ozzie … Sorry, that is the most usable Ozzie we ever had … If he could need something, it would be speed …This card plays and I am really looking forward putting him on my Cardinals end-game-theme-team-cycle squad (I do all teams starting around xmas).
If I were you and I would really need him rn, I would simply get him. If not: this Weatherholt will do tooMy point is why, when we are at 99 overall cards and you look at cards like Honus Wagner, did they feel the need to nerf his defense to justify the power?
Why upgrade the ARM and REACTION from his 89 Overall card pretty significantly but then lower the fielding to even lower than his 89 overall card?
Funny, they didn't feel the need to nerf Henderson's speed to justify his moonshot card.
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Action Hero Ozzie > Moonshot Ozzie. 99/99 speed and 99 defense are by a huge margin more important to me on an Ozzie card than just another HR hitter
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@Dolenz_PSN Yes, they lowered Ozzie‘s primary strength to justify his power … you could compare a lot but maybe you should stick with Ozzie.
If you get him, you will probably P5 him … Then he is a diamond fielder. I would rather take a diamond Ozzie as a Cards fan with 100+ power (which makes him a goat-like-hitter) than have a fielding wizard with the power he deserves if that would not be a Moonshot-card … In other words: I really do not get the outrage … at all … This card is end-game, especially for a Cardinals fan -
@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN Yes, they lowered Ozzie‘s primary strength to justify his power … you could compare a lot but maybe you should stick with Ozzie.
If you get him, you will probably P5 him … Then he is a diamond fielder. I would rather take a diamond Ozzie as a Cards fan with 100+ power (which makes him a goat-like-hitter) than have a fielding wizard with the power he deserves if that would not be a Moonshot-card … In other words: I really do not get the outrage … at all … This card is end-game, especially for a Cardinals fanThey throw around 125 contact with zero penalty, so why cant they just give Ozzie max defense? Why do some players have to sacrifice things for the power, and not others? This isnt a zero sum thing, there is no cap on a 99 card.
Its OZZIE SMITH. He is arguably the greatest defensive player in the history of the game. For his 99 he gets a 99 in FLD and then you design the card from there, otherwise you failed in basic design.
What next, we gave Babe Ruth's 99 a 95 in power but give him 85 speed and a 99 drag bunt?
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@YOSHI24_XBL said in Moonshot 2.0 Reveals:
@Dolenz_PSN Yes, they lowered Ozzie‘s primary strength to justify his power … you could compare a lot but maybe you should stick with Ozzie.
If you get him, you will probably P5 him … Then he is a diamond fielder. I would rather take a diamond Ozzie as a Cards fan with 100+ power (which makes him a goat-like-hitter) than have a fielding wizard with the power he deserves if that would not be a Moonshot-card … In other words: I really do not get the outrage … at all … This card is end-game, especially for a Cardinals fanI would not say it is outrage, okay maybe a little, but it is also a lot of disappointment
I am not arguing that it is a bad card. I am not mad that they made him end game viable. If he was another HOF player on another team I would probably have the same opinion everyone else has about this Ozzie card. But the 1982 and 1985 series were in my prime years (17-20) so I hold a special reverence for all those players.
So, yeah, I look at Honus Wagner, who has 1,739 attribute points and was able to keep his all 99 baserunning stats and still have higher Defense than Ozzie and I don't really understand.
Ozzie's card only has 1,530 attribute points . 1,560 attribute points would have been all that was needed to give him 99 fielding stats (30 extra points)
From his 89 card they downgraded his
FLD (-2)
Reac (-3)
Speed (-7)
Steal (-19)
BR AGG (-11)He is 3rd, by the way, on the Cardinals SB list with 433 steals, behind only Lou Brock (whose only card has a 64 steal rating so I guess Ozzie's 60 makes sense) and Vince Coleman.
I don't expect I will sway anyone with these stats and statements which is fine. But I thought I would at least try and explain my point of view.
In the end maybe I am also discouraged because SDS essentially said "Hey Cardinal fans you get two new cards today but if you can't win Gibson you should expect to pay a half million stubs or more for the privilege of using both of these cards anytime soon.
Let's hope that they can redeem themselves in my eyes next week on the HRD X content.
