SDS just gave us all the middle finger!
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@maddybutgames_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
it was a bug, a glitch. SDS ignoring it just so 10 people online are happy is not good business practice. i would wager more than 3/4ths of the player base for this game does not check these forums, yet their experience matters all the same. its not a crime to fix a broken aspect of their video game, no matter how beneficial it may seem on the surface. there are people at SDS who get paid and are hired for just this. it was a broken and exploited aspect of the game, plain and simple. they want to make sure their game runs as smoothly as it can, and edited baseline walls can impact that greatly. it sucks, but SDS had no other choice.
but hey, nice to know SDS does check the request tickets they are sent
I get what you think you're trying to say, but it was SIGNIFICANTLY more than 10 people and to downplay it is more or less just ignorant. Of all the things that needed fixing...one that wasn't being a detriment in any way whatsoever to the game, or ability to play, was NOT one of them. If SDS had any sense whatsoever they'd just walk it back
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Maddy just wanted to take an “I told you so” lap on this getting patched when the real issue is that the glitch/exploit revealed that the stadium creator could be jail broken by the devs with pretty minimal time and resource expenditure to give users way more creative freedom. They refuse to do so and should be criticized for using the little dev time devoted to the feature for restricting creativity instead of adding props and functionality.
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@Sarge1387_PSN We can all think it doesn't impact "ability to play", but the freedom the exploit provided could mean walls could be place in ways that did impact the game at hand. And the excuse of "but stadiums no online" won't hold any weight if/when SDS decides to let stadiums be used online again. Judging by the fact they patched the exploit out, it could easily be a preemptive measure for the return of stadiums online. Same with the batters eye prop glitch from last year. This exploit that could impact every mode in the game, not just Stadium Creator. I'm sorry Stadium Creator is not a high enough priority on SDS list of stuff in the grand scheme of things, but this move makes sense for across the board game balancing.
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@Jas_155_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
Maddy just wanted to take an “I told you so” lap on this getting patched when the real issue is that the glitch/exploit revealed that the stadium creator could be jail broken by the devs with pretty minimal time and resource expenditure to give users way more creative freedom. They refuse to do so and should be criticized for using the little dev time devoted to the feature for restricting creativity instead of adding props and functionality.
Perfectly said. I note that Joe is nowhere to be seen. I'm sure if he's still working for SDS that he got a heads up on this "update." We've reached the point where SDS has nowhere left to hide. When I saw the wall glitch over at the Reddit forum for the first time, I honestly thought the person who posted that thread engaged in a sly bit of photoshopping, either as a joke or to just troll for replies.
Then, I quickly realized it was on the level, that person really did move the baseline walls and my immediate thought was this needs to go viral. It will force SDS to show their hand. As Sarge1387 rightly has written, the lay up was for SDS to realize that spending time and money to degrade Stadium Creator was a fool's errand.
The easiest response was to jail break SC and give customers what we have been asking for these four years now. I was hoping that by exposing the reality of the situation, that SDS paid for lock out code to degrade our version of SC, that SDS would change course.
I figured there was a chance SDS would remain led by people who stubbornly refuse to give the customers what they reasonably ask for, even when the option is easily available, and would instead choose to spend more money and time further working to restrict it.
But, I also concluded that if SDS was willing to go that far down the drain, then they would expose without question how toxic a company they truly are. And they have. I'm not taking any victory lap -- not by a long shot. I don't rejoice in stupidity. I take no pleasure in any company destroying its valuable customer relationships.
I gave SDS the chance, and they chose to go in an utterly stupid, almost suicidal direction. They have told us customers where we stand and from this point forward, they may as well abandon all sense of public relations. For SDS, spending PR money is a pointless effort.
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lol. lmao.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL I think it’s pretty clear that SDS does not care about the Stadium Creator precisely because the number of consumers who do care enough about the feature to stop buying the product is negligible in their financial forecasts. They have no incentive to do anything with the feature and that’s disappointing. Welcome to capitalism.
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@Jas_155_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL I think it’s pretty clear that SDS does not care about the Stadium Creator precisely because the number of consumers who do care enough about the feature to stop buying the product is negligible in their financial forecasts. They have no incentive to do anything with the feature and that’s disappointing. Welcome to capitalism.
I appreciate your point of view. But, it's not free market capitalism. What SDS is doing is an offshoot of crony capitalism, where one or a few companies can form a monopoly and then act aloof and arrogant. In real capitalism, soon as a company shows its backhand to customers, the customers readily go elsewhere and that company is soon extinct.
This worm will turn, and folks who want to play high quality baseball video games will have other choices and leave SDS in the dustbin of history. It's only a matter of time.
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@Jas_155_PSN Right on the nose, really.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL One patched bug and annoyance from an online minority does not mean SDS is gonna go bankrupt be serious lol
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Hello. After checking in with the greater dev team, we've confirmed that this bug was intentionally fixed due to the risk of it causing more serious issues with stadiums and gameplay. That said, while the community team can't make any guarantees, we've again passed along the feedback and the dev team is aware of the community's interest in adjusting foul territory in custom stadiums.
Just to clarify, this decision wasn't made by Joe specifically. Feedback is always welcomed and regularly shared with the dev team, but final decisions around priorities for bug fixes and feature requests are not made by one person from the community team. While venting frustrations and dissatisfaction about the game is allowed, we ask that it remains constructive. Personal attacks toward developers or other community members don't help move the conversation forward and will not be tolerated.
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Nonsense! There was no risk to versus CPU gameplay. You are not even allowing custom stadiums in online games due to the head-to-head CTD issue that you flagged three months ago. You have not fixed that bug.
In the amount of time and money it costed SDS to "fix" this issue, you could have instead taken the step to ensure no encroachment into the fair territory of the default stadium template, which would align SC with official MLB rules. It would have taken no more effort to ensure wall panels are not placed within fair territory as the effort you went to in order to freeze the wall panels where they are.
Moreover, freezing the panels where they are does nothing at all to prevent stadiums that have been created with deliberate malice. So, leading off with that rationale you offered doesn't wash. Vice take the action that would reasonably address the concern, you chose instead to apply the control measure to stymie customer happiness.
I played these modified stadiums hundreds of times and not once saw any issues where balls and players failed to properly interact with the moved wall panels. Therefore, the preexisting code applied to the move of baseline and backstop wall panels equally as well as the code already applied to wall panels that were moved in the outfield.
BTW: If SDS devs are so all fired worried about game interactions not working as they should, then why over the course of four years has the backstop netting never been fixed to actually block baseballs from going through the net into the stands behind home plate? This reality despite years of customers providing SDS hundreds of bug reports on this issue with the backstop netting. I personally provided multiple bug reports over the last four years since SDS first included Stadium Creator.
Finally, we are not a group of children here. We fully understand Joe didn't personally make the decisions on how to run SDS. However, he gets some response here because of what was communicated earlier about SDS listening to customers, accepting our feedback, and working to establish higher levels of customer satisfaction.
All that public relations effort has been destroyed by this Update #15. I seriously doubt you appreciate the harm this latest action has caused. I won't be buying anything else released by SDS unless you guys backtrack on this action very quickly. And I don't think you will, because I don't think as a company our desires matter one iota to you.
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@Victor_SDS_PSN Thank you for the clarification
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL I have to laugh. I posted about the Devs that are in the Free Agent pool in the General Discussion forum. That they should be removed for poor performance. I named them all. Old Joe Psaki or Karine Joe Pierre said that he was fine with the discussion. But, removed the names for privacy reasons. What privacy reasons? They put THEMSELVES in the game. Year after year. Granted, they gave themselves crappy ratings. But it is purely egotistical to have done so. And, that is what SDS has devolved into. They care about the game that THEY want to play. Not what WE pay for.
I should correct that. I don't think they even play the game at all. They obviously didn't have testers play it before it was released this year. Or even have a QC team. Bugs are an issue. No avoiding it. But, this many bugs that constantly have to be fixed or patched.
They still haven't fixed the 3rd base coach wearing a jacket and we're 15 updates in. But, they chose to fix a non issue, or rather, an issue that was actually an improvement instead.
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@ralph13m_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL I have to laugh. I posted about the Devs that are in the Free Agent pool in the General Discussion forum. That they should be removed for poor performance. I named them all. Old Joe Psaki or Karine Joe Pierre said that he was fine with the discussion. But, removed the names for privacy reasons. What privacy reasons? They put THEMSELVES in the game. Year after year. Granted, they gave themselves crappy ratings. But it is purely egotistical to have done so. And, that is what SDS has devolved into. They care about the game THEY want. Not what WE pay for.
No one can logically nor fairly argue with what you wrote. You are correct. It seems OK for SDS to flout themselves in the game as long as they can somehow keep it a secret. SDS is operating with the mentality they are too big to fail. There are a lot of companies no one does business with who were thought of as too big to fail.
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We heard you fans new to mlb the show 26 a all new revamped stadium creator. I can see sds.
Pulling that c*** on one of their trailers next year to lore us creators back -
@Victor_SDS_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
Personal attacks toward developers or other community members don't help move the conversation forward and will not be tolerated.
Nobody's personally attacking him, just reiterating the facts of what's gone on. We trusted that what we were being told was the truth, and immediately discovered that trust had been misplaced. That being said, I appreciate the clarification...But this was a massive slap in the face to this portion of the player base. We do understand that this is a niche mode...but that doesn't mean it can be largely ignored and missing the improvements that not only have been requested for going on four years, but are desperately needed to make it better.
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Just to correct some erroneous info being repeated in this forum, custom stadiums are no longer disabled from online play. I've used my created stadiums online for about the last 2 weeks. So that is why they patched this glitch.
With that being said, SDS could still meet us halfway. The could allow moveable walls but limit it to a certain distance behind the foul to not encroach into the field of play, and also not too unreasonably far away either. Allow the bottom part of the dugouts to move with the walls so the players will always generate in the right location. Make the bullpens a prop that can be moved instead of part of the playing field.
Another idea. From the batter's eye glitch we figured out how to create domes. Why not unlock the no-go zone over the field above a certain height as to not interfere with the ball in play? Then we could create roofs with whatever props we desire. And code it so that if any prop is detected above the field the lights default to on so no one could create an intentionally dark stadium and still be used online.
I'm not a programmer, but I'm pretty sure these asks wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement. Just give us a bit more to this mode we love before we just give up on it.
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@RonSolo412_XBL said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
With that being said, SDS could still meet us halfway. The could allow moveable walls but limit it to a certain distance behind the foul to not encroach into the field of play, and also not too unreasonably far away either. Allow the bottom part of the dugouts to move with the walls so the players will always generate in the right location. Make the bullpens a prop that can be moved instead of part of the playing field.
This...I've been pitching a "wall move allowance" for years, in order to keep things online eligible. The wall asks have been inexplicably ignored for at least three years and not really sure why. If they're concerned about the abuse of the foul territory, make it so that nothing can be inside the line, but only up within a foot (think Wrigley Field) of the line.
Removing the over-modeling of the props and walls would be great, let us tinker with the pre-fabbed walls a bit to create the more perfectly round styles
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My only rebuttal is even changing one small thing, like where foul territory walls are, affects so many different aspects of the stadium and gameplay. You already mentioned the dugouts and bullpens, but there is also the stadium cameras in gameplay and replays. One of my edited wall stadiums doesn't have a replay camera that isn't obstructed by walls of stands. Wall boundaries and physics can get really goofy as well the more you fiddle with distance and wall heights. Stadium Creator is much more of a massive puzzle, with many many different pieces working together to make the mode as playable as it can be. And because of that, one small change means you have to account for and also change other aspects of the entire feature. And I really, really doubt SDS has the time and budget to make those changes right now, mid-game cycle. In 26? Maybe! The two guy SDS guys mentioned/have been present in this forum have said the requests have been passed along to the team. Their hands were tied to at least fix the exploit now, especially stadiums are actually usable online and that guy kept spreading misinfo (I play franchise and RTTS only so I have no idea about online play), and as the person who posted the original post to the subbreddit a month ago, I don't blame them. It was always a bug, not some hidden feature. (Yellow lines on the walls on the other hand.. I'll have a convo about that)
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@RonSolo412_XBL said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:
Just to correct some erroneous info being repeated in this forum, custom stadiums are no longer disabled from online play. I've used my created stadiums online for about the last 2 weeks. So that is why they patched this glitch.
With that being said, SDS could still meet us halfway. The could allow moveable walls but limit it to a certain distance behind the foul to not encroach into the field of play, and also not too unreasonably far away either. Allow the bottom part of the dugouts to move with the walls so the players will always generate in the right location. Make the bullpens a prop that can be moved instead of part of the playing field.
Another idea. From the batter's eye glitch we figured out how to create domes. Why not unlock the no-go zone over the field above a certain height as to not interfere with the ball in play? Then we could create roofs with whatever props we desire. And code it so that if any prop is detected above the field the lights default to on so no one could create an intentionally dark stadium and still be used online.
I'm not a programmer, but I'm pretty sure these asks wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement. Just give us a bit more to this mode we love before we just give up on it.
Appreciate the correction. One would think that with the very public announcement that SDS itself made that this was done, that SDS would make an equally public statement that they restored use of custom stadiums in online games!
Of course there are a myriad of ways SDS could have easily met us more than even halfway. But, the core of it is that SDS doesn't want to meet us halfway, a third of the way, or even a millimeter our way. SDS leadership has a firm "my way or the highway" mentality. Except, these same leaders arrogantly conclude that we are not paying customers, but instead vassals that are required to purchase their game each year they release it.
The only way this rancid leadership gets what they deserve from Sony is for customers to boycott the game, and it would have to be in large numbers. The sale numbers are already down given SDS pulled their game from XBox's Game Pass program. Ironically enough, I never decided to go with Game Pass, and so I bought the game the traditional way. That won't happen again. Because SDS isn't going to fix this latest outrage, and I say that firmly because SDS has made previous such unforced errors to anger customers and ignored easy fixes just like they will this time.
What people need to accept with SDS is that they desire control more than customer satisfaction. That's hard to understand given how stupid a mentality that is for any company to hold, especially in a free economy. But, SDS concludes they have the baseball video game market sewed up as a monopoly, and you can see by their actions why monopolies should never be tolerated.
