Yelich and Soto Snubbed!
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I'm not a Brewers or a Nationals fan, but I have to say I think Yelich and Soto got snubbed this year in some of their stats. The main one being fielding. Both of these players played well in the outfield last season. Although, Soto didn't have any assists his fielding percentage was actually comparable to a guy like Kiermaier. I know Kiermaier has a reputation of being a great outfielder, but I feel like both Yelich and Soto played well enough to where their fielding should both be in the high 70s.
Soto was a Golden Glove finalist, so I don't understand where they get their bronze fielding statistics from.
Yelich had a .983 fielding pecentage with 4 errors. Kiermaier had a .985 fielding percentage with 4 errors as well. Yelich also had 1 more assist than Kiermaier. I know Kiermaier probably had more plays hit to him, but at the same time Yelich played very well in the outfield.
Also I understand that you can't have too many great stats or players would be overpowered, but to give Yelich and Soto the same fielding as a typical bronze player doesn't seem right. -
You can't lower your fielding percentage if you don't get to balls to make a play. I don't know how good or bad either one was but I would never use Gold Gloves as an indicator of fielding prowess considering a DH won one for 1B.
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Your mistake is looking at fielding percentage.
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@nflman2033 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Your mistake is looking at fielding percentage.
What would you use then
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Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %. -
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
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@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
Gold gloves are generally a popularity contest, those don't mean anything either.
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@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
Gold gloves are generally a popularity contest, those don't mean anything either.
Then how are fielding statistics on the show determined
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@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@nflman2033 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Your mistake is looking at fielding percentage.
What would you use then
Literally any other advanced stat out there. dWAR is quick reference stat.
Rtot -- Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Avg
The number of runs above or below average the player was worth based on the number of plays made.
This number combines the Rtz, Rdp, Rof, Rcatch numbers into a total defensive contribution. Is another.That one is on Baseball Reference. Thete are lots out there if you look for them.
Fielding % doesn't tell you about the balls that average players can reach but he couldn't. So if he cant get there. He has no chance at making an error. Also errors are very much subjective to the official scorer.
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@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
Gold gloves are generally a popularity contest, those don't mean anything either.
Then how are fielding statistics on the show determined
They said they are using sabermetrics and advanced stats. They have not said which ones exactly.
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@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
Gold gloves are generally a popularity contest, those don't mean anything either.
Then how are fielding statistics on the show determined
Advanced stats like Defensive runs saved (DRS). UZR is another big one, it considers arm, range etc.
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@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@nflman2033 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Your mistake is looking at fielding percentage.
What would you use then
Range Factor, zone rating, efficiency...
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@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
Gold gloves are generally a popularity contest, those don't mean anything either.
This exactly. For example, Derek Jeter.
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@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
Rafael Palmeiro won the gold glove in 1999 after only playing 28 games there. It’s a joke.
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Defensive runs saved
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Yelich’s 2019 stats:
-4 DRS
0.4 UZR
-0.6 ARMSoto’s 2019 stats:
0 DRS
-0.7 UZR
-3.2 ARMKiermaier’s 2019 stats:
13 DRS
6.9 UZR (nice)
4.3 ARMThose guys each play a different position though, so let’s compare each one with other players from the same position.
Yelich player RF, so let’s look at Bellinger:
20 DRS
9.5 UZR
3.2 ARMSoto played LF, so let’s look at Marcell Ozuna:
1 DRS
5.7 UZR
1.7 ARMKiermaier played CF, so let’s look at Lorenzo Cain:
22 DRS
7.0 UZR
-2.9 ARMObviously Kiermaier isn’t the best anymore, but he’s still a top 5 defensive CF. The same can’t be said for Yelich or Soto.
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@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@marquesm00 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.I understand this, but to put a guy into consideration for a golden glove then give him 65 fielding just doesn't seem right
Gold gloves are generally a popularity contest, those don't mean anything either.
Then how are fielding statistics on the show determined
I believe they use UZR for fielding and reaction, and statcast provides data for arm str and acc.
Personally I like outs above average
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@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.This. I'll put it this way. Say Kiermaier gets to 30 more balls over the course of the season but makes 3 more errors. Who is the better fielder? Who saves their team more runs? Kiermaier all day.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
@eatyum said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Fielding percentage doesn't mean anything.
Yes, Soto's might be comparable to Kiermeir, but Fielding % doesn't tell you things like range, Kiermeir probably was able to get to balls that Soto couldn't, but that isn't reflected in fielding %.This. I'll put it this way. Say Kiermaier gets to 30 more balls over the course of the season but makes 3 more errors. Who is the better fielder? Who saves their team more runs? Kiermaier all day.
Simply put and well said.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Yelich and Soto Snubbed!:
Yelich’s 2019 stats:
-4 DRS
0.4 UZR
-0.6 ARMSoto’s 2019 stats:
0 DRS
-0.7 UZR
-3.2 ARMKiermaier’s 2019 stats:
13 DRS
6.9 UZR (nice)
4.3 ARMThose guys each play a different position though, so let’s compare each one with other players from the same position.
Yelich player RF, so let’s look at Bellinger:
20 DRS
9.5 UZR
3.2 ARMSoto played LF, so let’s look at Marcell Ozuna:
1 DRS
5.7 UZR
1.7 ARMKiermaier played CF, so let’s look at Lorenzo Cain:
22 DRS
7.0 UZR
-2.9 ARMObviously Kiermaier isn’t the best anymore, but he’s still a top 5 defensive CF. The same can’t be said for Yelich or Soto.
Appreciate it. That's all I needed to see
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