The real Todd Helton

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If they give him a card from 2000 hitting- since many of the babynuts on here don't know it was a bonds level season....he might be the best offensive card this year

He hit:
.374 with 59 doubles 47 homers and had almost twice as many walks as strikeouts

We're looking at a card with 120s contact, 125 vision and discipline, 110s power and gold glove defenseđź‘€

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Todd Helton was a beast, man

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Sad thing is he might not get that card. A prime card or a Sig card would weigh the attributes down due to averages. I dont know how many Silver slugger award cards they plan on giving out but you'd bet that be the one he gets. It comes down to whether he gets a Prime/SS card or an awards card. Which comes down to whether SDS wants Todd Helton to have a better card than Lou Gehrig and Jimmy Foxx

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@the_dragon1912 said in The real Todd Helton:

Sad thing is he might not get that card. A prime card or a Sig card would weigh the attributes down due to averages. I dont know how many Silver slugger award cards they plan on giving out but you'd bet that be the one he gets. It comes down to whether he gets a Prime/SS card or an awards card. Which comes down to whether SDS wants Todd Helton to have a better card than Lou Gehrig and Jimmy Foxx

don’t worry they juice the cards up to be whatever they want. real stats don’t matter as long as they had two good season

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@jmiller5757 said in The real Todd Helton:

@the_dragon1912 said in The real Todd Helton:

Sad thing is he might not get that card. A prime card or a Sig card would weigh the attributes down due to averages. I dont know how many Silver slugger award cards they plan on giving out but you'd bet that be the one he gets. It comes down to whether he gets a Prime/SS card or an awards card. Which comes down to whether SDS wants Todd Helton to have a better card than Lou Gehrig and Jimmy Foxx

don’t worry they juice the cards up to be whatever they want. real stats don’t matter as long as they had two good season

I know, and I think he deserves a Silver Slugger Card for the 2000 season, not a sig or Prime card. He only gets this card if SDS decides for him to be better than Gehrig and Foxx, thats what im saying.

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I would love an insane card for him but honestly I don’t know if he even gets another card. Not until maybe October or November at the earliest.

Oswalt topped out at a 95 last year with his signature card. His best card now is a 95 and that’s his prime card.

Not to mention SDS wanting to have a variety of cards in your lineup. Not just all SS, all prime, etc.. so there might be some cards that never get those prime cards or SS cards I don’t think this is like last where where you could almost assume any above average player would get a great card.

Either way he’s my end game first baseman.

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@genopolanco said in The real Todd Helton:

I would love an insane card for him but honestly I don’t know if he even gets another card. Not until maybe October or November at the earliest.

Oswalt topped out at a 95 last year with his signature card. His best card now is a 95 and that’s his prime card.

Not to mention SDS wanting to have a variety of cards in your lineup. Not just all SS, all prime, etc.. so there might be some cards that never get those prime cards or SS cards I don’t think this is like last where where you could almost assume any above average player would get a great card.

Either way he’s my end game first baseman.

He's gotta get another one tho bc the one we have now with bleh power doesn't really signify his peak years as well as it should

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He never was an insane power hitter though. The year you pointed out was absolutely insane. But he only hit 40+ HRs twice in his career playing in one of the most HR friendly parks his entire career.

He was a doubles machine with phenomenal defense. Incredible eye, plate discipline. Seemed like he was always having a 10+ pitch ABs.

But his 2000 season was an all time incredible season and if they give him a card for that year he will be insane. It’s not guaranteed though. Look at Andruw Jones last year.

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@genopolanco said in The real Todd Helton:

He never was an insane power hitter though. The year you pointed out was absolutely insane. But he only hit 40+ HRs twice in his career playing in one of the most HR friendly parks his entire career.

He was a doubles machine with phenomenal defense. Incredible eye, plate discipline. Seemed like he was always having a 10+ pitch ABs.

But his 2000 season was an all time incredible season and if they give him a card for that year he will be insane. It’s not guaranteed though. Look at Andruw Jones last year.

Slugging is taken into account, his doubles buff that number

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The Real Todd Helton was a really good hitter on the road, but an absolute god when in the confines of Mount Coors. They may use more advanced stats that take that into account, and "nerf" his numbers

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@ImDFC said in The real Todd Helton:

The Real Todd Helton was a really good hitter on the road, but an absolute god when in the confines of Mount Coors. They may use more advanced stats that take that into account, and "nerf" his numbers

Then are you going to nerf every single player that hits better at home than on the road because yelich still has 100 power against righties

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@greenbuk75 said in The real Todd Helton:

@ImDFC said in The real Todd Helton:

The Real Todd Helton was a really good hitter on the road, but an absolute god when in the confines of Mount Coors. They may use more advanced stats that take that into account, and "nerf" his numbers

Then are you going to nerf every single player that hits better at home than on the road because yelich still has 100 power against righties

No, but when the disparity is as great as it was for Helton (for example, .280~ away from Coors, .345~ at Coors), it may make an impact. It may turn a quad 100 card into a triple 90. Though He may get an award card which would get some juice as well

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@ImDFC said in The real Todd Helton:

@greenbuk75 said in The real Todd Helton:

@ImDFC said in The real Todd Helton:

The Real Todd Helton was a really good hitter on the road, but an absolute god when in the confines of Mount Coors. They may use more advanced stats that take that into account, and "nerf" his numbers

Then are you going to nerf every single player that hits better at home than on the road because yelich still has 100 power against righties

No, but when the disparity is as great as it was for Helton (for example, .280~ away from Coors, .345~ at Coors), it may make an impact. It may turn a quad 100 card into a triple 90. Though He may get an award card which would get some juice as well

You don't control where you play, most guys don't play as well on the road and they don't discount guys for taking greenies or juicing so why would home park be a factor in ratings rather than performance?

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@greenbuk75 said in The real Todd Helton:

@ImDFC said in The real Todd Helton:

@greenbuk75 said in The real Todd Helton:

@ImDFC said in The real Todd Helton:

The Real Todd Helton was a really good hitter on the road, but an absolute god when in the confines of Mount Coors. They may use more advanced stats that take that into account, and "nerf" his numbers

Then are you going to nerf every single player that hits better at home than on the road because yelich still has 100 power against righties

No, but when the disparity is as great as it was for Helton (for example, .280~ away from Coors, .345~ at Coors), it may make an impact. It may turn a quad 100 card into a triple 90. Though He may get an award card which would get some juice as well

You don't control where you play, most guys don't play as well on the road and they don't discount guys for taking greenies or juicing so why would home park be a factor in ratings rather than performance?

Because the more advanced statistics take park factors into account. the OPS+ and wRC+ of the world do exactly that, as well as adjusting for the overall offensive environment of the season. If someone hit 50 doubles say, in 2010, that would be a lot more impressive than it was when it happened last season

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Giambi's 2000 card was rated a 95 in MLB19.

Giambi had a 7.8 WAR in 2000.
Helton had a 8.9 that year.

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@SaveFarris said in The real Todd Helton:

Giambi's 2000 card was rated a 95 in MLB19.

Giambi had a 7.8 WAR in 2000.
Helton had a 8.9 that year.

Giambis overalls are generally boosted because he plays 1B. Where Heltons ratings aren’t stereotypical 1B ratings. Helton has much lower power and very good defense. Defense doesn’t knock 1Bs that much so it’s hard to compare the two.

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I can't wait for a Larry Walker card!