Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone
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@spc_garza_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@spc_garza_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Let’s agree on one thing here.
Agreed
See @iBonafideScrub_ you even agreed
So Garza if you don't mind me asking and even if you do....why are you going back and forth in DD forum when just 3 days ago you were telling someone else on a different thread that you only play Online Ranked regs.
Stay in your lane. If you don't play the mode you're opinion here is irrelevant
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I actually love the outer pci. In fact I turn off the two inner pcis & leave the outer one on. It helps me see the ball better without having dots, diamonds, lines all over the screen where I’m trying to see the ball. I’m obviously in the minority here but this is how I feel. I made WS multiple times using this setup.
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@spc_garza_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@doobiebross66-72 said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Agree the outer PCI was a mistake from the beginning and needs to go
What does the outer PCI even represent? What is it’s purpose and how does it make sense? Would love an answer to those questions but I know we won’t get them
Really hope they remove it this year but doubt they will.
It’s pretty obvious it’s a crutch for players who have no plate discipline and is intended to keep lesser skilled players from striking out
It’s done nothing but cause frustration amongst the majority of players on this forum
Agreed
Apparently it’s supposed to represent the area that you’re looking at, not an actual baseball bat.
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@dart_wuffy_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@spc_garza_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@spc_garza_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Let’s agree on one thing here.
Agreed
See @iBonafideScrub_ you even agreed
So Garza if you don't mind me asking and even if you do....why are you going back and forth in DD forum when just 3 days ago you were telling someone else on a different thread that you only play Online Ranked regs.
Stay in your lane. If you don't play the mode you're opinion here is irrelevant
Lol so does the outer PCI only affect DD players also does online rated have its own page? Also I suggested to try the mode didn’t tell anyone to do anything.
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@alpha-wolf-x1x_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Apparently it’s supposed to represent the area that you’re looking at, not an actual baseball bat.
Exactly. And what a stupid mechanic to introduce into a baseball game… Of course a batter is going to look at the ball. While we’re at it, let’s just get rid of the whole PCI…
I get that people want to prove that they’re really good at moving their thumbs around, but, really? Controlling the batter’s eyes? If you’re Rube Waddell and have to struggle to not look for fire engines, then maybe, but otherwise, no.
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Indeed Indeed
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I’m no expert (well, neither is anyone here [closest I see is @hoboadam_PSN tbh]), but I’m not sure it’s exactly the problem. Sometimes, pitches can be fouled off without it even hitting the outer PCI.
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Whether or not the outer PCI needs to go away isn't the issue. It's always been there, just not visible. Kinda like PAR.
Outter PCI is vision, inner is contact. The 3 symbols inside the PCI are supposed to represent where you want contact for optimal results. High middle for power, middle low for contact.
I don't want to be part of the debate; however, we don't see as many pitches in MLB as they do in real life. We as a whole, don't take pitches like real players. Our 9 inning games won't approach 300 pitches combined like most MLB games do.
To aggregate results, I think there's aspects that increase foul balls. We've all seen that one or two at bats every game where you will have 8-12 pitches fouled off especially vs the CPU. There's gotta be something somewhere that is trying to force a pitch count to fall in line with 10 per inning.
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@balsamicarrow88 said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
It’s clear SDS literally has zero clue what they are doing. This may be the beginning of the end for this company, they broke a game that didn’t need fixed.
Unfortunately they know exactly what they are doing. They are making money by retaining players. All you have to do is GOOGLE "Player Retention" and see what is done. Will it specifically mention Outer PCI? No, but you should be able to draw the right conclusion on how this works.
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@doobiebross66-72 said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Agree the outer PCI was a mistake from the beginning and needs to go
What does the outer PCI even represent? What is it’s purpose and how does it make sense? Would love an answer to those questions but I know we won’t get them
Really hope they remove it this year but doubt they will.
It’s pretty obvious it’s a crutch for players who have no plate discipline and is intended to keep lesser skilled players from striking out
It’s done nothing but cause frustration amongst the majority of players on this forum
It represents a tennis bat.
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@the_joneser_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@alpha-wolf-x1x_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Apparently it’s supposed to represent the area that you’re looking at, not an actual baseball bat.
Exactly. And what a stupid mechanic to introduce into a baseball game… Of course a batter is going to look at the ball. While we’re at it, let’s just get rid of the whole PCI…
I get that people want to prove that they’re really good at moving their thumbs around, but, really? Controlling the batter’s eyes? If you’re Rube Waddell and have to struggle to not look for fire engines, then maybe, but otherwise, no.
You are honestly right…every pitch combined with location has an exact timing window to where a batter would make solid contact. I’d be willing to bet most off center contact in real life is the result of incorrect timing of the swing plane in relation to the pitch and not error in the “location of the swing.” I think every MLB player can put the barrel on the ball.
From there they could use real statistics to implement rng on balls put in play. Perfect Perfect…60 percent hit probability…..roll over…20 percent. There would still be a skill gap.
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Couldn’t agree more. Outer PCI is terrible and needs to be removed.
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Get rid of outer PCI? Yes, so long as they...
- Nerf sinkers. For real this time.
- Ban outlier. It's a stupid thing.
- Fix line drives beaming right at fielders. It's out of fricking control.
That will be an excellent compromise.
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@codywolfgang_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@the_joneser_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@alpha-wolf-x1x_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Apparently it’s supposed to represent the area that you’re looking at, not an actual baseball bat.
Exactly. And what a stupid mechanic to introduce into a baseball game… Of course a batter is going to look at the ball. While we’re at it, let’s just get rid of the whole PCI…
I get that people want to prove that they’re really good at moving their thumbs around, but, really? Controlling the batter’s eyes? If you’re Rube Waddell and have to struggle to not look for fire engines, then maybe, but otherwise, no.
You are honestly right…every pitch combined with location has an exact timing window to where a batter would make solid contact. I’d be willing to bet most off center contact in real life is the result of incorrect timing of the swing plane in relation to the pitch and not error in the “location of the swing.” I think every MLB player can put the barrel on the ball.
From there they could use real statistics to implement rng on balls put in play. Perfect Perfect…60 percent hit probability…..roll over…20 percent. There would still be a skill gap.
There is; it's called player attributes
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@charterbus_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@spc_garza_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@spc_garza_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Let’s agree on one thing here.
Agreed
See @iBonafideScrub_ you even agreed
Your earlier statement was 100% true. Any issues gets drowned out by nonsense. But the problem is also vision needs to matter. K rates need some sort of effect on hitting with a specific player so the outer PCI serves its purpose it’s just far to extreme. Like 10 inches too far. In reality vision should be able to reach outside the zone but only a certain amount, but when you can move the entire PCI outside and have vision spread around that as well, you have a serious issue.
I guess they could get rid of the outer PCI, but what’s the result? Some sort of a separate “strike zone PCI” for each batter based on vision? You still need to make Tony Gwynn good at what he did, and Judge not so good at the same aspect.
The inner could be vision and contact could effect timing windows, but again you need to create the game in ways players are good and bad at certain things.It’s not rocket science but it isn’t as easy as “make user input matter”. They could easily make hitting 100% user based and realistic, the problem is to get to that, they need a PCI that represents something realistic, and a timing window that’s the same. So smaller than the ball and milliseconds wide. The best players would hit in the low .100s and average players would struggle to score a run.
They need solutions but people need to be realistic about what they say and want. And this place just isn’t that realistic anymore.
Yeah @ChArTeRBuS_PSN The Outer pci just meh Vison I would imagine would be the size of your main PCI and just get rid of the outer stuff. It just seems wrong to me that my pci is at the bottom of the zone and the pitch is high and I made contact because the outer pci. And I am only talking about my hits and foul tips not crying about when others do to me lol sometime I am like [censored] that should definitely be a swing and a miss
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@codywolfgang_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@the_joneser_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@alpha-wolf-x1x_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
Apparently it’s supposed to represent the area that you’re looking at, not an actual baseball bat.
Exactly. And what a stupid mechanic to introduce into a baseball game… Of course a batter is going to look at the ball. While we’re at it, let’s just get rid of the whole PCI…
I get that people want to prove that they’re really good at moving their thumbs around, but, really? Controlling the batter’s eyes? If you’re Rube Waddell and have to struggle to not look for fire engines, then maybe, but otherwise, no.
You are honestly right…every pitch combined with location has an exact timing window to where a batter would make solid contact. I’d be willing to bet most off center contact in real life is the result of incorrect timing of the swing plane in relation to the pitch and not error in the “location of the swing.” I think every MLB player can put the barrel on the ball.
From there they could use real statistics to implement rng on balls put in play. Perfect Perfect…60 percent hit probability…..roll over…20 percent. There would still be a skill gap.
Perfect-perfect at 60% hit probability? Are you trying to get the devs assassinated? Lol...
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@codywolfgang_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
You are honestly right…every pitch combined with location has an exact timing window to where a batter would make solid contact. I’d be willing to bet most off center contact in real life is the result of incorrect timing of the swing plane in relation to the pitch and not error in the “location of the swing.” I think every MLB player can put the barrel on the ball.
From there they could use real statistics to implement rng on balls put in play. Perfect Perfect…60 percent hit probability…..roll over…20 percent. There would still be a skill gap.
I think you’re spot on about timing - the real game is all timing. Using real statistics to determine RNG would be a huge step forward. IMO, can’t do a baseball game without it (the game itself is a lesson in failure despite doing everything right), but what we’re all seeing certainly isn’t based on actual statistical outcomes.
I’d love to see a different mechanic, altogether, but something like analog stride with incredibly unforgiving timing windows based on pitch location would be great (pushing a single button to mimic a swing is lame, too) … and, yes, still plenty of room for a skill gap. As is, we’re left with FPS mechanics jammed in to satisfy all the weirdos who need to prove their “stick skills,” and it comes at the expense of anything resembling the actual game of baseball.
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@the_joneser_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@codywolfgang_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
You are honestly right…every pitch combined with location has an exact timing window to where a batter would make solid contact. I’d be willing to bet most off center contact in real life is the result of incorrect timing of the swing plane in relation to the pitch and not error in the “location of the swing.” I think every MLB player can put the barrel on the ball.
From there they could use real statistics to implement rng on balls put in play. Perfect Perfect…60 percent hit probability…..roll over…20 percent. There would still be a skill gap.
I think you’re spot on about timing - the real game is all timing. Using real statistics to determine RNG would be a huge step forward. IMO, can’t do a baseball game without it (the game itself is a lesson in failure despite doing everything right), but what we’re all seeing certainly isn’t based on actual statistical outcomes.
I’d love to see a different mechanic, altogether, but something like analog stride with incredibly unforgiving timing windows based on pitch location would be great (pushing a single button to mimic a swing is lame, too) … and, yes, still plenty of room for a skill gap. As is, we’re left with FPS mechanics jammed in to satisfy all the weirdos who need to prove their “stick skills,” and it comes at the expense of anything resembling the actual game of baseball.
Very well said, get rid of the fps stick stuff and make the timing windows tighter. I completely agree and your suggestion of mixing in analog stride is a great idea….it would fit right in with the Pinpoint Pitching and unforgiving timing windows.
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@the_joneser_psn said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
@codywolfgang_xbl said in Can we all agree that The OUTER PCI should be gone:
You are honestly right…every pitch combined with location has an exact timing window to where a batter would make solid contact. I’d be willing to bet most off center contact in real life is the result of incorrect timing of the swing plane in relation to the pitch and not error in the “location of the swing.” I think every MLB player can put the barrel on the ball.
From there they could use real statistics to implement rng on balls put in play. Perfect Perfect…60 percent hit probability…..roll over…20 percent. There would still be a skill gap.
I think you’re spot on about timing - the real game is all timing. Using real statistics to determine RNG would be a huge step forward. IMO, can’t do a baseball game without it (the game itself is a lesson in failure despite doing everything right), but what we’re all seeing certainly isn’t based on actual statistical outcomes.
I’d love to see a different mechanic, altogether, but something like analog stride with incredibly unforgiving timing windows based on pitch location would be great (pushing a single button to mimic a swing is lame, too) … and, yes, still plenty of room for a skill gap. As is, we’re left with FPS mechanics jammed in to satisfy all the weirdos who need to prove their “stick skills,” and it comes at the expense of anything resembling the actual game of baseball.
There's no way to replicate what happens in the batter's box with a controller. Stride with a pure timing mechanic and a "more unforgiving" timing window with results based on "real life stats" would be a disaster. The RNG that stats-based outcomes would require would enrage people. You think backlash is bad this year? Just try that.
There are no perfect solutions. The benefit of the PCI is that it gives the user much more control over the situation. Yes, it is "duck hunt," but it has to be seen as a video game convention and not an attempt to replicate real life. The PCI gives the user control over both timing and location, and it seems like the best compromise in an impossible situation.
The problems this year are the outer PCI (foul balls for days) and excellent input resulting far too often in outs -- SDS itself says that in competitive mode "stick skills reign supreme," and they don't.
Excellent input needs to have good results in online competitive mode far more often than it does right now, and outer PCI needs to go (along with outlier, with sinkers even further nerfed). There would be more K's, more consistently "fair" results, and far less whining.
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The outer PCI as it is now called has always been there. If you remember a few years ago they switched it to "buckshot" feedback to justify the RNG that happens in the game.
All they've done is change what attributes affect the inner portion and outer portion. It's not a design flaw, it's a developed system used to maximize player engagement cloaked as a medium that "produces simulation baseball".
It's purpose is to maximize player engagement. Get as many people to play the game as possible and hopefully purchase stubs along the way.
This game may be shoved in our faces as the lovable first party studio baby that was the cream of the crop for years. That ain't the case anymore. It's entered into the realm of ultimate team modes and micro transactions.
It's still much better than other models in terms of content and the ability to earn it as opposed to paying for it. That's about all we can give them credit for. The majority of their resources are refining DD. RTTS being integrated in DD through "My Ballplayer" tells the whole story.
