Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced
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@pennstatefencer said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
I think you're missing the point.
If you consider the cost of the game as part of the $100 price point for the digital deluxe, you can consider all of the bonuses valued at about $30. You can call it $40 if you were going to just get the PS4/Xbox One versions, but digital deluxe comes with PS5/Series versions so $30 is a closer match.
This isn't new or limited to Sony. Buying the all inclusive version of a game is almost always the best value as opposed to buying the base game and then purchasing the addons later. MS Flight Sim was another example of this.
It's possible for the digital deluxe to be a better value without the Early Access Package looking like a bad joke. As Danh said, the bonuses aren't even as good as the MVP edition.
It doesn't really matter all that much to me. I have digital deluxe for Switch pre-ordered and will play it on Game Pass a few days later. If I were not getting a digital deluxe though, I definitely wouldn't waste $50 on this Early Access Package.
It just doesn't make sense to me. These are digital goods that cost SDS nothing. If they want to get people to actually spend the $50, they should make it more enticing. I'm sure a lot of people will look at this and pass. Then again, math isn't a strong suit for a lot of people in this country so maybe it will sell like gangbusters...
The fact in that $50 there isn't even a diamond player is lol.
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
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@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If you don't have Gamepass then the early access package does not apply to you, I 100% agree with you that if I was not getting the game via gamepass I would get the more expensive option and think the extra price is worth it, you are missing the point, if the early access package was in the $20-$30 range I think that would be much more reasonable.
My post is about the Early Access Package price, not an argument with the normal version vs deluxe version pricing, I am fine with that.
I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription), so the early access price being an extra $50 would double that making it worth the $100 deluxe edition, yet I am getting rewards closer to the $70 version,
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If it was $30 for just the Early Access would you pay it. none of the other rewards?
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@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If it was $30 for just the Early Access would you pay it. none of the other rewards?
Yes and I don’t even play DD
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If it was $30 for just the Early Access would you pay it. none of the other rewards?
Yes and I don’t even play DD
Fair Enough, you value those 4 days quite a bit, and you did play DD last year (or you just post in that section to be argumentative), maybe that is changing for this year but I doubt it.
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/HUSTLINOWL
188 hours into DD, no need to exaggerate -
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If it was $30 for just the Early Access would you pay it. none of the other rewards?
Yes and I don’t even play DD
Fair Enough, you value those 4 days quite a bit, and you did play DD last year (or you just post in that section to be argumentative), maybe that is changing for this year but I doubt it.
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/HUSTLINOWL
188 hours into DD, no need to exaggerate, you might not play PVP, neither do I, but you play DD -
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If it was $30 for just the Early Access would you pay it. none of the other rewards?
Yes and I don’t even play DD
Fair Enough, you value those 4 days quite a bit, and you did play DD last year (or you just post in that section to be argumentative), maybe that is changing for this year but I doubt it.
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/HUSTLINOWL
188 hours into DD, no need to exaggerateWell grind for Reds cards but nothing h2h
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@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If it was $30 for just the Early Access would you pay it. none of the other rewards?
Yes and I don’t even play DD
Fair Enough, you value those 4 days quite a bit, and you did play DD last year (or you just post in that section to be argumentative), maybe that is changing for this year but I doubt it.
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/HUSTLINOWL
188 hours into DD, no need to exaggerate, you might not play PVP, neither do I, but you play DDLol argumentative cause someone disagrees good one. Most whine and complain after losing as if they don’t benefit from same mechanics as opponents
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yeah, I don't play H2H either, but there is value in starting DD offline earlier, I just think the add on for gamepass early access is under rewarded since Game Value ($50) and Access Package $50 do not get the same rewards as $100 digital deluxe version when the cost appears to be the same
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I would pay $20 just for the early access…. Couldn’t care less about the rewards and stuff
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If you don't have Gamepass then the early access package does not apply to you, I 100% agree with you that if I was not getting the game via gamepass I would get the more expensive option and think the extra price is worth it, you are missing the point, if the early access package was in the $20-$30 range I think that would be much more reasonable.
My post is about the Early Access Package price, not an argument with the normal version vs deluxe version pricing, I am fine with that.
I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription), so the early access price being an extra $50 would double that making it worth the $100 deluxe edition, yet I am getting rewards closer to the $70 version,
First and so I am clear: I agree that the gamepass addition is over-priced.
I disagree with the evaluation, and a different lens may ease some of the frustration. "I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription)," But that's not the actual value of the game in gamepass. if you pay $50 for the subscription, we could argue that its actual value $of sub/number of games.
You could say "well I buy game pass only for TS" Great, and your evaluation dictates your purchasing decision not the value of the product in the market. I agree with the frustration and not the evaluation.
I may just buy to own the game. I put so many hours into it the ROI is ridiculous compared to other games I play.
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Hold your horses. It will have server issues and be incomplete in the first week so then you’ll be complaining you wasted your money.
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@rodol1551_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
I was thinking about this… This is the first year my expectations for the game have been low because I literally played the last game like 3 or 4 months. With that said… for me, the desire to play is at its higher lever those first months specially the two weeks after launch but paying +12 euros per day for those 4 days of early access just doesn’t pay off. I couldn't care less about the packs and stuff because they are already announcing 90 diamond cards, and it is extremely easy to build a competitive team. So I guess I'm going to get drunk and have fun going out till the 5th.
lol exactly mate - they are a joke to think we'd be paying for "early access" - who cares, it will just be easier to cruise through Rank 00 in season online play once we dive in a week later
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@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
If you don't have Gamepass then the early access package does not apply to you, I 100% agree with you that if I was not getting the game via gamepass I would get the more expensive option and think the extra price is worth it, you are missing the point, if the early access package was in the $20-$30 range I think that would be much more reasonable.
My post is about the Early Access Package price, not an argument with the normal version vs deluxe version pricing, I am fine with that.
I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription), so the early access price being an extra $50 would double that making it worth the $100 deluxe edition, yet I am getting rewards closer to the $70 version,
First and so I am clear: I agree that the gamepass addition is over-priced.
I disagree with the evaluation, and a different lens may ease some of the frustration. "I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription)," But that's not the actual value of the game in gamepass. if you pay $50 for the subscription, we could argue that its actual value $of sub/number of games.
You could say "well I buy game pass only for TS" Great, and your evaluation dictates your purchasing decision not the value of the product in the market. I agree with the frustration and not the evaluation.
I may just buy to own the game. I put so many hours into it the ROI is ridiculous compared to other games I play.
The issue with your statement, a thought I considered, is that yes, they may be saying we make estimated X amount of money per game from the gamepass deal, fore ease sake lets say approx $20 per game, so the $50 addon would put it in line with the $70 version, however the big difference with the gamepass version is I do not own the game, at any time they can remove it from gamepass and I lose access, buying the early access does not give me the base game though, so if I purchased the early access, and lets say that would be the normal cost of the game plus benefits ($70), I still don't own the game and at any time they can still remove it and I lose access, for $50 it should include the game itself as well to make sense with the gamepass version making less money per game. The package then is more in line with buying the $70 version of the game ($20 per gamepass game + $50 for early access) for those who are already paying something via gamepass.
My values on the market are based on the pricing they put their versions at, I tried to value each part as contributing a value, I.e, $60 Base Game (this is their pricing, not mine) 1 GC pack 5k stubs, next level is $70 with 5 show packs and another 5k stubs for a total of 10k, so you can say that 5 show packs + 5k stubs equals $10 (although typically the more you spend the cheaper this combo becomes). I am not gonna go through the rest but I used their pricing to calculate a value. The deal they made with Xbox for the gamepass is really irrelevant, it only makes sense when realizing that they are trying to make up the difference from the customer without giving the ownership rights that come from buying the version outside of gamepass.
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@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
If you don't have Gamepass then the early access package does not apply to you, I 100% agree with you that if I was not getting the game via gamepass I would get the more expensive option and think the extra price is worth it, you are missing the point, if the early access package was in the $20-$30 range I think that would be much more reasonable.
My post is about the Early Access Package price, not an argument with the normal version vs deluxe version pricing, I am fine with that.
I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription), so the early access price being an extra $50 would double that making it worth the $100 deluxe edition, yet I am getting rewards closer to the $70 version,
First and so I am clear: I agree that the gamepass addition is over-priced.
I disagree with the evaluation, and a different lens may ease some of the frustration. "I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription)," But that's not the actual value of the game in gamepass. if you pay $50 for the subscription, we could argue that its actual value $of sub/number of games.
You could say "well I buy game pass only for TS" Great, and your evaluation dictates your purchasing decision not the value of the product in the market. I agree with the frustration and not the evaluation.
I may just buy to own the game. I put so many hours into it the ROI is ridiculous compared to other games I play.
The issue with your statement, a thought I considered, is that yes, they may be saying we make estimated X amount of money per game from the gamepass deal, fore ease sake lets say approx $20 per game, so the $50 addon would put it in line with the $70 version, however the big difference with the gamepass version is I do not own the game, at any time they can remove it from gamepass and I lose access, buying the early access does not give me the base game though, so if I purchased the early access, and lets say that would be the normal cost of the game plus benefits ($70), I still don't own the game and at any time they can still remove it and I lose access, for $50 it should include the game itself as well to make sense with the gamepass version making less money per game. The package then is more in line with buying the $70 version of the game ($20 per gamepass game + $50 for early access) for those who are already paying something via gamepass.
My values on the market are based on the pricing they put their versions at, I tried to value each part as contributing a value, I.e, $60 Base Game (this is their pricing, not mine) 1 GC pack 5k stubs, next level is $70 with 5 show packs and another 5k stubs for a total of 10k, so you can say that 5 show packs + 5k stubs equals $10. I am not gonna go through the rest but I used their pricing to calculate a value. The deal they made with Xbox for the gamepass is really irrelevant, it only makes sense when realizing that they are trying to make up the difference from the customer without giving the ownership rights that come from buying the version outside of gamepass.
Great points and again: I understand your perspective. While there is a fear of "not owning the game," My question for you is: Do you see them removing the game from gamepass? It's been made pretty clear that the decision to put TS on Gamepass was the MLBs not SDS. That and considering the astronomical numbers Sony/SDS made in profits last year, would it make says financially (and PR) to remove the game? Will it be removed a couple years down the line -- probably. Question: if that is the case, do you see yourself playing MLB 23 in 2023,24,25, etc? Here we are with less than a week until the game comes out and MLB TS 21 is still available to play on game pass.
My perspective might also come with different set of circumstances. I have Gamepass ultimate for a stupid-cheap price right now (and for a while), I play the TS nonstop and coop will only increase that number. I decided to buy the game: I love it, I want to play it early and I was cool with the perks.
I do wonder if they expected players to have a keen eye for the missing perks. The pricing is just off...An explanation would be great. Doubtful we will get one though.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
If you don't have Gamepass then the early access package does not apply to you, I 100% agree with you that if I was not getting the game via gamepass I would get the more expensive option and think the extra price is worth it, you are missing the point, if the early access package was in the $20-$30 range I think that would be much more reasonable.
My post is about the Early Access Package price, not an argument with the normal version vs deluxe version pricing, I am fine with that.
I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription), so the early access price being an extra $50 would double that making it worth the $100 deluxe edition, yet I am getting rewards closer to the $70 version,
First and so I am clear: I agree that the gamepass addition is over-priced.
I disagree with the evaluation, and a different lens may ease some of the frustration. "I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription)," But that's not the actual value of the game in gamepass. if you pay $50 for the subscription, we could argue that its actual value $of sub/number of games.
You could say "well I buy game pass only for TS" Great, and your evaluation dictates your purchasing decision not the value of the product in the market. I agree with the frustration and not the evaluation.
I may just buy to own the game. I put so many hours into it the ROI is ridiculous compared to other games I play.
The issue with your statement, a thought I considered, is that yes, they may be saying we make estimated X amount of money per game from the gamepass deal, fore ease sake lets say approx $20 per game, so the $50 addon would put it in line with the $70 version, however the big difference with the gamepass version is I do not own the game, at any time they can remove it from gamepass and I lose access, buying the early access does not give me the base game though, so if I purchased the early access, and lets say that would be the normal cost of the game plus benefits ($70), I still don't own the game and at any time they can still remove it and I lose access, for $50 it should include the game itself as well to make sense with the gamepass version making less money per game. The package then is more in line with buying the $70 version of the game ($20 per gamepass game + $50 for early access) for those who are already paying something via gamepass.
My values on the market are based on the pricing they put their versions at, I tried to value each part as contributing a value, I.e, $60 Base Game (this is their pricing, not mine) 1 GC pack 5k stubs, next level is $70 with 5 show packs and another 5k stubs for a total of 10k, so you can say that 5 show packs + 5k stubs equals $10. I am not gonna go through the rest but I used their pricing to calculate a value. The deal they made with Xbox for the gamepass is really irrelevant, it only makes sense when realizing that they are trying to make up the difference from the customer without giving the ownership rights that come from buying the version outside of gamepass.
Great points and again: I understand your perspective. While there is a fear of "not owning the game," My question for you is: Do you see them removing the game from gamepass? It's been made pretty clear that the decision to put TS on Gamepass was the MLBs not SDS. That and considering the astronomical numbers Sony/SDS made in profits last year, would it make says financially (and PR) to remove the game? Will it be removed a couple years down the line -- probably. Question: if that is the case, do you see yourself playing MLB 23 in 2023,24,25, etc? Here we are with less than a week until the game comes out and MLB TS 21 is still available to play on game pass.
My perspective might also come with different set of circumstances. I have Gamepass ultimate for a stupid-cheap price right now (and for a while), I play the TS nonstop and coop will only increase that number. I decided to buy the game: I love it, I want to play it early and I was cool with the perks.
I do wonder if they expected players to have a keen eye for the missing perks. The pricing is just off...An explanation would be great. Doubtful we will get one though.
No, I have zero expectation that they will remove the game from gamepass, but if they do for whatever reason I also have no claim to continue access to the game, but on a year to year game ownership value could be easily argued away.
I just calculate about $30-35 worth of value based on their pricing
($20 for the 10 packs and 10k stubs) and ($10-$15 for the rest of what's included in the gamepass early access) (Values based on the Base game vs the $70 version and the $70 version vs the $85)but they are charging $50, just wondering what that other $15 is for? I really want the early access as I love the show, I would happily pay the 50 for early access and the perks from the digital deluxe package, or I would happily pay $20-$30 for the current offering but the current option just doesn't make financial sense.
I don't know what the deal was for the show to be on gamepass, I don't know who had the final call or how decision/settlement was reach but they reached it, I should not be punished by having to pay extra money for no value because they are not happy with the deal, the reality is probably that the addition of xbox and gamepass added tons more users, a percentage of which probably bought stubs and the company did not lose money on the gamepass contract.
p.s. I understand your points as well, we are not that far off from each other
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Just to dive a tiny bit deeper, lets surmise that they wind up getting approx $45 per gamepass version, lets call these rentals, vs owners who pay $60. Then that $15 is there to cover the difference between renting and owning, if I get the early access package they still get the $45 from the rental, I have now covered the additional $15 why shouldn't ownership come along with that, they are getting the $45 from rental and $15 from package for $60, the price to own the game. And to me ownership is not that important because of the yearly cycle of the game, just really trying to figure out what that extra $15 is for
Note: $15 is the difference between the $50 price tag, and the at most $35 worth of perks as valued by SDS themselves
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You have more options than those of us on PS5 and Switch, so I don’t know what you’re complaining about.
