Kluber or Arrieta?
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I have 99/100 points in the BR program right now and I'm wondering which of these 2 I should pick when I get the pack at 100 pts.
I used Kluber a lot in MLB 20 (as most probably did) but I heard the Arrieta card was really good this year.
I know it's January and I probably won't play much Ranked anymore, but I'm just curious which of these 2 guys you have had more success with (or which one is easier for you to hit off of).
Thanks!
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I picked Arriera but you can't go wrong either way. I thought Kluber being so dominant and available to everyone last year would make him easier to hit, everyone has seen him over and over and over again.
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Kluber in my opinion.
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Both are good, Kluber being a touch better than Arrieta. But you're asking the wrong question. If you want the best non-outlier sinkerballer in the game, you actually already have him. Logan Webb. Thank me later.
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Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
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@vk_ratliff_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Both are good, Kluber being a touch better than Arrieta. But you're asking the wrong question. If you want the best non-outlier sinkerballer in the game, you actually already have him. Logan Webb. Thank me later.
Interesting, I don't think I tried to use that Webb card yet. I'll try a ranked game with him later, thanks!
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I once went into a twitch channel of a streamer that is extremely good at this game, and told his whole chatroom that I can beat anyone cause I'm the best. One guy took me up on my offer, so it was game on. I used Arrieta, and the son of a gun 10-runned me in 3 innings. He was clearly on another level, but that smacking I took with Arrieta made me not trust him anymore. I've never been 10-runned with Logan Webb.
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@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
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@vk_ratliff_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
I once went into a twitch channel of a streamer that is extremely good at this game, and told his whole chatroom that I can beat anyone cause I'm the best. One guy took me up on my offer, so it was game on. I used Arrieta, and the son of a gun 10-runned me in 3 innings. He was clearly on another level, but that smacking I took with Arrieta made me not trust him anymore. I've never been 10-runned with Logan Webb.
Haha I know that feeling when you lose faith in a pitcher after getting lit up like that. I'm intrigued to try out the Webb card now...
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@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
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Chris Sale is the best pitcher in the game in my opinion. People don't just struggle against him, they look downright silly. Only 1 out of 10 players can actually hit him at all, but I figure when that happens that opponent could probably hit anyone, and so I don't hold it against Sale. I'm not sure what his price is, but he's on the market and he is criminally underused in ranked.
If I load into a game and see I'm up against Chris Sale, I immediately consider switching to directional. I have no chance against him.
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@vk_ratliff_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Chris Sale is the best pitcher in the game in my opinion. People don't just struggle against him, they look downright silly. Only 1 out of 10 players can actually hit him at all, but I figure when that happens that opponent could probably hit anyone, and so I don't hold it against Sale. I'm not sure what his price is, but he's on the market and he is criminally underused in ranked.
If I load into a game and see I'm up against Chris Sale, I immediately consider switching to directional. I have no chance against him.
Wow that's great to hear, I'll go see how much he's selling for. I thought in past years that people complained Sale was easy to hit but I'm glad that has been changed this year.
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@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
I use the DeGrom, Ohtani, Verlander, Kershaw and Arrieta. But let me tell you one thing, if you're going to face a really good player like the other guy mentioned above, it does not matter who you'll have on the mound. If he would've had Kluber instead of Arrieta, his opponent would probably still have succes. Because good players can hit every pitcher. But again, I don't think you can buy a better option than either Kluber or Arrieta and you really can't go wrong with either.
What also weighed in on my decision to go with Arrieta is that I know a lot of people love throwing cutters inside. But what I've noticed is that a cutter that is thrown inside and not in the strike zone, can still get hit hard for a home run. Which is actually what happens a lot of the times, because most people will pull their PCI in when they face a cutter heavy pitcher on an opposite handed match up. Factor in that almost everyone plays at Shippett, where the ball will fly, and those inside cutters are a liability in my experience. You have to throw it like REALLY far inside and that makes it an obvious read to not swing. The heavy slider on the other hand is way harder to make good contact on and it has the coding of a breaking ball instead of a fastball like the cutter, which means the PCI placement is less forgivable in comparison to fastballs (you can have poor PCI placement and still hit a fastball hard if your timing is good, that's much harder (though not impossible) to do with offspeed).
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@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
Klubers curve/slider is filthy. Arrieta is really good but Klubers stuff is one of the best in the game.
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@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
I use the DeGrom, Ohtani, Verlander, Kershaw and Arrieta. But let me tell you one thing, if you're going to face a really good player like the other guy mentioned above, it does not matter who you'll have on the mound. If he would've had Kluber instead of Arrieta, his opponent would probably still have succes. Because good players can hit every pitcher. But again, I don't think you can buy a better option than either Kluber or Arrieta and you really can't go wrong with either.
What also weighed in on my decision to go with Arrieta is that I know a lot of people love throwing cutters inside. But what I've noticed is that a cutter that is thrown inside and not in the strike zone, can still get hit hard for a home run. Which is actually what happens a lot of the times, because most people will pull their PCI in when they face a cutter heavy pitcher on an opposite handed match up. Factor in that almost everyone plays at Shippett, where the ball will fly, and those inside cutters are a liability in my experience. You have to throw it like REALLY far inside and that makes it an obvious read to not swing. The heavy slider on the other hand is way harder to make good contact on and it has the coding of a breaking ball instead of a fastball like the cutter, which means the PCI placement is less forgivable in comparison to fastballs (you can have poor PCI placement and still hit a fastball hard if your timing is good, that's much harder (though not impossible) to do with offspeed).
Good insight, thanks! I know what you guys are saying about how it sometimes doesn't matter who you have on the mound if your opponent is locked in, but I'm usually only around the 500-600 ranking each season anyway, so I don't mind trying out different rotations once in a while.
I do like your rotation setup that you mentioned above; if I got Arrieta I could run that same lineup of 5 guys.
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@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
I use the DeGrom, Ohtani, Verlander, Kershaw and Arrieta. But let me tell you one thing, if you're going to face a really good player like the other guy mentioned above, it does not matter who you'll have on the mound. If he would've had Kluber instead of Arrieta, his opponent would probably still have succes. Because good players can hit every pitcher. But again, I don't think you can buy a better option than either Kluber or Arrieta and you really can't go wrong with either.
What also weighed in on my decision to go with Arrieta is that I know a lot of people love throwing cutters inside. But what I've noticed is that a cutter that is thrown inside and not in the strike zone, can still get hit hard for a home run. Which is actually what happens a lot of the times, because most people will pull their PCI in when they face a cutter heavy pitcher on an opposite handed match up. Factor in that almost everyone plays at Shippett, where the ball will fly, and those inside cutters are a liability in my experience. You have to throw it like REALLY far inside and that makes it an obvious read to not swing. The heavy slider on the other hand is way harder to make good contact on and it has the coding of a breaking ball instead of a fastball like the cutter, which means the PCI placement is less forgivable in comparison to fastballs (you can have poor PCI placement and still hit a fastball hard if your timing is good, that's much harder (though not impossible) to do with offspeed).
Good insight, thanks! I know what you guys are saying about how it sometimes doesn't matter who you have on the mound if your opponent is locked in, but I'm usually only around the 500-600 ranking each season anyway, so I don't mind trying out different rotations once in a while.
I do like your rotation setup that you mentioned above; if I got Arrieta I could run that same lineup of 5 guys.
You could always just try one of the 2 and then sell him and buy the other and see who you personally prefer most. They cost about the same so you'll only end up paying the tax on the market, but who cares at this point? Most people are loaded with stubs anyway, so I assume you are too.
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@mrad2010_xbl said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
Klubers curve/slider is filthy. Arrieta is really good but Klubers stuff is one of the best in the game.
The few times I have had to face Kluber, the opponent made me look silly. I couldn't lay off that Slurve.
Does Kluber have a similar pitch mix to Corbin Burnes? I feel like they are similar (minus the Slurve).
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@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
I use the DeGrom, Ohtani, Verlander, Kershaw and Arrieta. But let me tell you one thing, if you're going to face a really good player like the other guy mentioned above, it does not matter who you'll have on the mound. If he would've had Kluber instead of Arrieta, his opponent would probably still have succes. Because good players can hit every pitcher. But again, I don't think you can buy a better option than either Kluber or Arrieta and you really can't go wrong with either.
What also weighed in on my decision to go with Arrieta is that I know a lot of people love throwing cutters inside. But what I've noticed is that a cutter that is thrown inside and not in the strike zone, can still get hit hard for a home run. Which is actually what happens a lot of the times, because most people will pull their PCI in when they face a cutter heavy pitcher on an opposite handed match up. Factor in that almost everyone plays at Shippett, where the ball will fly, and those inside cutters are a liability in my experience. You have to throw it like REALLY far inside and that makes it an obvious read to not swing. The heavy slider on the other hand is way harder to make good contact on and it has the coding of a breaking ball instead of a fastball like the cutter, which means the PCI placement is less forgivable in comparison to fastballs (you can have poor PCI placement and still hit a fastball hard if your timing is good, that's much harder (though not impossible) to do with offspeed).
Good insight, thanks! I know what you guys are saying about how it sometimes doesn't matter who you have on the mound if your opponent is locked in, but I'm usually only around the 500-600 ranking each season anyway, so I don't mind trying out different rotations once in a while.
I do like your rotation setup that you mentioned above; if I got Arrieta I could run that same lineup of 5 guys.
You could always just try one of the 2 and then sell him and buy the other and see who you personally prefer most. They cost about the same so you'll only end up paying the tax on the market, but who cares at this point? Most people are loaded with stubs anyway, so I assume you are too.
That's a fair point; maybe I will try one out and sell for the other guy if I get lit up haha.
I did have just over a million stubs recently but then I put a buy order in for the 99 Trout as I didn't have time to get up to 30 wins this season like I planned. I'm still sitting around 200,000 stubs though, so I don't mind losing a few at this point.
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@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@mrad2010_xbl said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
Klubers curve/slider is filthy. Arrieta is really good but Klubers stuff is one of the best in the game.
The few times I have had to face Kluber, the opponent made me look silly. I couldn't lay off that Slurve.
Does Kluber have a similar pitch mix to Corbin Burnes? I feel like they are similar (minus the Slurve).
Kluber has Sinker,cutter,slurve,4 seam and change up. Pretty much the perfect pitch mix imo. The thing I really prefer him over Arrieta is his control. I don’t know what their controls stats are off the top of my head but I do know Arrieta has a tendency of throwing pitches down the middle randomly.
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@mrad2010_xbl said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@mrad2010_xbl said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@raesone_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
@supremeloser_psn said in Kluber or Arrieta?:
Thanks for the replies! I thought Kluber had a slightly better pitch mix when I compared the 2 cards earlier, but I think Arrieta had slightly better per 9's.
Honestly, you can keep guys off balance for 9 innings with Arrieta's sinker/slider alone. Mix in the occasional curveballs to keep people honest and they'll look silly if they swing on that pitch because it looks exactly like the sinker coming out of his hand. And his slider acts more like a cutter, it's thrown hard and breaks really hard at the last second. If you pound that pitch low and in against batters hitting lefty, it's almost impossible to make good contact on that pitch if they swing. And they will swing.
This is great advice, thanks! I heard Arrieta had a really good slider, so I'm glad that seems to be the case.
I can't decide now haha maybe I should just sell him and buy another guy off the market? Who's your favorite 99 pitcher to use? I already have Verlander as well.
Klubers curve/slider is filthy. Arrieta is really good but Klubers stuff is one of the best in the game.
The few times I have had to face Kluber, the opponent made me look silly. I couldn't lay off that Slurve.
Does Kluber have a similar pitch mix to Corbin Burnes? I feel like they are similar (minus the Slurve).
Kluber has Sinker,cutter,slurve,4 seam and change up. Pretty much the perfect pitch mix imo. The thing I really prefer him over Arrieta is his control. I don’t know what their controls stats are off the top of my head but I do know Arrieta has a tendency of throwing pitches down the middle randomly.
Good to know, thanks! I like using cards that have great control instead of just running outlier pitchers all the time (even if that strategy is pretty viable most of the time).
I think I remember hearing that the 99 Hershiser card was a little disappointing this year, has anyone had any experience with that?
