Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing
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Eric Davis, Goose, and Orel.
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@SefarR said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
Ben Zobrist.
Among Rays players currently in the game, he’s the second best all time behind Longoria.
What type of attributes and overall would you expect to see?
In terms of his career numbers, clearly the '09 season was his best (which is the card we currently have). Where would you expect to see increases or would you just expect him to be slightly better at everything?
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@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@hegone44 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
In addition to Joe Carter the obvious SS is Warren Spahn. Dude was best lefty of his era. His elite wins total, ERA and Innings make him a stud from that era. Oh and he has a high WAR if you need just one stat.
I do worry that he won’t translate well in game. Not a hard thrower. He threw a lot of breaking stuff. He might get the Mathewson treatment
Could make a fairly compelling argument for him being the greatest LHP of all time, and he's only got that 89 that's been out all year. I'd be SHOCKED if they don't put in a SS this month sometime.m
No, no no! He could only be considered the greatest lefty EVER if you looked at Wins, innings, complete games and ERA. Randy Johnson and Lefty Grove have better WAR and that is all that matters here.
Wow so now it's you who make comments like this huh? I'm not saying I'd make it, because if you made me rank the top 4 he's 4th behind Koufax, Johnson, Grove. But of course the argument is compelling. Guy won 363 games, and was 114 games above .500. Led his league in wins 8 times, in a time when wins definitely carried more weight than they do today.
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@hegone44 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@hegone44 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
In addition to Joe Carter the obvious SS is Warren Spahn. Dude was best lefty of his era. His elite wins total, ERA and Innings make him a stud from that era. Oh and he has a high WAR if you need just one stat.
I do worry that he won’t translate well in game. Not a hard thrower. He threw a lot of breaking stuff. He might get the Mathewson treatment
Could make a fairly compelling argument for him being the greatest LHP of all time, and he's only got that 89 that's been out all year. I'd be SHOCKED if they don't put in a SS this month sometime.m
No, no no! He could only be considered the greatest lefty EVER if you looked at Wins, innings, complete games and ERA. Randy Johnson and Lefty Grove have better WAR and that is all that matters here.
Wow so now it's you who make comments like this huh? I'm not saying I'd make it, because if you made me rank the top 4 he's 4th behind Koufax, Johnson, Grove. But of course the argument is compelling. Guy won 363 games, and was 114 games above .500. Led his league in wins 8 times, in a time when wins definitely carried more weight than they do today.
Lol...I am being silly. I think best lefties is hard because of those four guys they played in eras that were so different that to compare them statistically is meaningless. WAR being possibly the most meaningless stat when comparing guys across seasons, let alone eras
Best lefties is a pick between Grove, Spahn, Hubble, Koufax, Johnson, Kershaw maybe even Ford
Food for thought Johan Santana has better career WAR than Koufax. So much for WAR
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Phil Niekrooooo come on give us a knuckle baller lol
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Joe Carter... Literally hit a walk off homer to win the ws and doesn't have a SS card
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@BigJuicyMan69 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
Joe Carter... Literally hit a walk off homer to win the ws and doesn't have a SS card
lol...his WAR is too low.
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@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@hegone44 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
In addition to Joe Carter the obvious SS is Warren Spahn. Dude was best lefty of his era. His elite wins total, ERA and Innings make him a stud from that era. Oh and he has a high WAR if you need just one stat.
I do worry that he won’t translate well in game. Not a hard thrower. He threw a lot of breaking stuff. He might get the Mathewson treatment
Could make a fairly compelling argument for him being the greatest LHP of all time, and he's only got that 89 that's been out all year. I'd be SHOCKED if they don't put in a SS this month sometime.m
No, no no! He could only be considered the greatest lefty EVER if you looked at Wins, innings, complete games and ERA. Randy Johnson and Lefty Grove have better WAR and that is all that matters here.
Now you're just instigating, lol. But seriously I'll argue this if need be, Wins are NOT relevant, and WAR is a useless stat for pitchers because how much you played matters way more than how successful you were. For example Lance Lynn and Mike Minor. Neither of those 2 should be considered among the elite pitchers right now, but they bother had higher WAR last year than every pitch except Verlander. The main reason being how many innings they pitched. FYI, Spahn's definitely top 5 or 6 with Carlton, Grove, Kershaw, Koufax, Big Unit.
I'd personally go 1. Koufax, 2 Johnson, 3. Carlton, 4. Grove, 5. Spahn and 6. Kershaw
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@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@hegone44 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@hegone44 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
In addition to Joe Carter the obvious SS is Warren Spahn. Dude was best lefty of his era. His elite wins total, ERA and Innings make him a stud from that era. Oh and he has a high WAR if you need just one stat.
I do worry that he won’t translate well in game. Not a hard thrower. He threw a lot of breaking stuff. He might get the Mathewson treatment
Could make a fairly compelling argument for him being the greatest LHP of all time, and he's only got that 89 that's been out all year. I'd be SHOCKED if they don't put in a SS this month sometime.m
No, no no! He could only be considered the greatest lefty EVER if you looked at Wins, innings, complete games and ERA. Randy Johnson and Lefty Grove have better WAR and that is all that matters here.
Wow so now it's you who make comments like this huh? I'm not saying I'd make it, because if you made me rank the top 4 he's 4th behind Koufax, Johnson, Grove. But of course the argument is compelling. Guy won 363 games, and was 114 games above .500. Led his league in wins 8 times, in a time when wins definitely carried more weight than they do today.
Lol...I am being silly. I think best lefties is hard because of those four guys they played in eras that were so different that to compare them statistically is meaningless. WAR being possibly the most meaningless stat when comparing guys across seasons, let alone eras
Best lefties is a pick between Grove, Spahn, Hubble, Koufax, Johnson, Kershaw maybe even Ford
Food for thought Johan Santana has better career WAR than Koufax. So much for WAR
Funny how you both left Carlton off your lists
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@RonnieGant1992 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
Altuve....c'mon...gotta have a better Altuve.
Not really, no. His 2019 PS card is good enough.
The Altuve card would have the ability to know what pitch is coming.
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Zobrist, Betts, JD, Daniel Murphy, Cliff Lee
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@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@hegone44 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
@Maverick31762 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
In addition to Joe Carter the obvious SS is Warren Spahn. Dude was best lefty of his era. His elite wins total, ERA and Innings make him a stud from that era. Oh and he has a high WAR if you need just one stat.
I do worry that he won’t translate well in game. Not a hard thrower. He threw a lot of breaking stuff. He might get the Mathewson treatment
Could make a fairly compelling argument for him being the greatest LHP of all time, and he's only got that 89 that's been out all year. I'd be SHOCKED if they don't put in a SS this month sometime.m
No, no no! He could only be considered the greatest lefty EVER if you looked at Wins, innings, complete games and ERA. Randy Johnson and Lefty Grove have better WAR and that is all that matters here.
Randy Johnson had a higher FIP, xFIP, more Ks in over 1000 less innings, and a better k/9
All the stats I just used except 1 were easy to calculate and very real, so not your "imaginary" stats as some would call it.
Also, if you care about wins (hardly anyone still does) then Johnson had a far better win:loss ratio than Spahn in 132 less starts, also he won about half of his starts so in the same amount of starts as Spahn it would be very realistic to say he would've at least made up the ~50 wins he'd need.
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You made this post 10 days ago so I expect you to have forgotten about it and won't be too happy to have this in your Notis
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WAR is based around the actual stats by assigning acturate values to them, it is the most accurate tool for single stat player valie that we have
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I fully understand your post was to make a point but as the CEO of ruining fun jokes I had to intervene
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@BigJuicyMan69 said in Your 5 most wanted SS cards still missing:
Joe Carter... Literally hit a walk off homer to win the ws and doesn't have a SS card
His career is remembered because of that moment, and he has a card representing said moment. No SS is needed for him.
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