PINPOINT pitching ruined this game
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@aaronjw76_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
It certainly didn’t help it. People that don’t know how to pitch probably like it though.
Dude stop. "People who don't know how to pitch probably like it" lmao. The game forced pitches with good input down the middle in 18, 19 and 20. The guys who liked that were the scrubs who can't hit pitches on the black and have to wait for those cookies down the middle to be somewhat successful. I'm not gonna make assumptions which category your or OP fit, but take a good long look on the mirror and decide for yourself.
So to you the opposite of that was to put it in the exact same spot every time with such a simplistic system? Then when your opponent hits it’s just random output? Okay. I just always base my opinion on the fact that gamers nowadays, and after 8 years in sports games especially sports gamers, win at every cost and want to cheese as much as possible so if something new is added to the game and the majority of people like it then it probably isn’t good for the actual game. If a YouTuber found a way to bunt for a base hit every time 100% right now that is all you would see online until it was patched.
And I’m alright at the game. Would be better if I enjoyed it online. In actual games I’m probably 80% win and would be higher if I cared to enough stick around. I pitch with analog by the way and still think it’s too easy compared to the randomness of hitting. But it is what it is. And that’s the game.
If you can hit pitches in every location, it doesn't matter if your opponent can throw accurate pitch after accurate pitch. However, If you can't hit every pitch in every location, then yes you have something to complain about. Case and point I would assume.
So you telling me sinker up and in is real baseball ? telling me being patient at the plate ... looking for a pitch you can drive , forcing pitchers in fastball counts ...man this isnt even baseball its all about who can put the PCi on the ball at any locations ... why take any pitches then there is no point because anybody can spot a offspeed in a fastball count.... you just a stupid fkin gamer ... not a baseball fan gtfo lol
Sinker up and in has nothing to do with the pinpoint mechanic and everything SDS shoddy programming.
Has everything to do with it as with pinpoint you can just dot up and in broken sinkers
So what? Just crush them. I don't understand why people have so much issues with these sinkers despite it not being realistic.
Because for every player that can consistently hit that pitch there are probably 25 that can’t. Add in that connectivity and frame rate really impacts high velocity inside pitches and quite often those pitches are unhittable.
I want tweaks. Up and in sinkers being the best pitch needs to go. In the dirt curveballs and chamges need to be more effective.
I think pinpoint though is straight cheese to the point of running 4 verticals in madden.
In the dirt curveballs and changeups need to be more effective??? So the other user can't have a good eye?? Lol......okay....
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A lot of meaningless feedback on a good assessment of one of the games faults,merely pointed out oin this thread. Where of course there will be many retractors all with a record of 250 and 0. Pinpoint pitching is just another way for SOME players to use some obvious advantages. Whatever happened to the laws of physics and the statistical realism . Gentlemen ,the game of baseball is not the Twilight Zone intended nor existing for some individuals to rampage untethered . Professor Kwik
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Excuse me while I duck the incoming beanballs.
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@spyacht_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
i am totally agree with op and the size of the pci should become a stick to make it look like a real bat
It's already in the game... it's called wedge.
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@el-fiama-bianca_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@spyacht_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
i am totally agree with op and the size of the pci should become a stick to make it look like a real bat
It's already in the game... it's called wedge....
exactly......
tons of clowns in this thread - thankfully you and some of the other guys are voices of reason
what a joke - i pitch on meter and my ERA is 2.76 - everyone has their own way which works for them end of story
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@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@xfoufoufou_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@raesone_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@untchable704_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
It certainly didn’t help it. People that don’t know how to pitch probably like it though.
Dude stop. "People who don't know how to pitch probably like it" lmao. The game forced pitches with good input down the middle in 18, 19 and 20. The guys who liked that were the scrubs who can't hit pitches on the black and have to wait for those cookies down the middle to be somewhat successful. I'm not gonna make assumptions which category your or OP fit, but take a good long look on the mirror and decide for yourself.
So to you the opposite of that was to put it in the exact same spot every time with such a simplistic system? Then when your opponent hits it’s just random output? Okay. I just always base my opinion on the fact that gamers nowadays, and after 8 years in sports games especially sports gamers, win at every cost and want to cheese as much as possible so if something new is added to the game and the majority of people like it then it probably isn’t good for the actual game. If a YouTuber found a way to bunt for a base hit every time 100% right now that is all you would see online until it was patched.
And I’m alright at the game. Would be better if I enjoyed it online. In actual games I’m probably 80% win and would be higher if I cared to enough stick around. I pitch with analog by the way and still think it’s too easy compared to the randomness of hitting. But it is what it is. And that’s the game.
If you can hit pitches in every location, it doesn't matter if your opponent can throw accurate pitch after accurate pitch. However, If you can't hit every pitch in every location, then yes you have something to complain about. Case and point I would assume.
So you telling me sinker up and in is real baseball ? telling me being patient at the plate ... looking for a pitch you can drive , forcing pitchers in fastball counts ...man this isnt even baseball its all about who can put the PCi on the ball at any locations ... why take any pitches then there is no point because anybody can spot a offspeed in a fastball count.... you just a stupid fkin gamer ... not a baseball fan gtfo lol
No I didn't say any of those things so don't put words in my mouth. But you can hit those up and in sinkers just as hard as any other pitch. So I would highly advise you to hit that batting cage instead of complaining about something that isn't an issue - your lack of ability to hit pitches is the real issue.
Baseball hitting shouldnt be all about putting a PCI pefectly on the ball...
I mean that's literally what hitting is lmao. A hitter is trying to aim his bat and time his swing.....
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I don't use pinpoint. I've got a shaky right hand from nerve damage and when I use pinpoint it looks like someone gave a baby an etch a sketch.
Pinpoint has helped a ton of people. You see a lot of dots and painted corners now. It makes me feel better about being able to hit the ball decent when I know someone is using it.
Be grateful if you can use pinpoint, I use pulse and it blows but that's what I have to use to play the game. So I always have to get pitchers with really high control ratings
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@gohardgrandpa said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
I don't use pinpoint. I've got a shaky right hand from nerve damage and when I use pinpoint it looks like someone gave a baby an etch a sketch.
Sorry to hear about your condition, but that me snort out loud at work...
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Baseball is a game of adjustments. I think, in this case, the adjustment needs to be learning to hit balls on the edges.
Personally, I don’t use pinpoint, but I agree that overall this year, even poor players seem much better at pitching.
That said, being able to hit your spots is not the only thing. I still face quite a few opponents who have very predictable sequences. In general, I think the ppp meta also leads to many players trying to make every pitch a dot on the edge. This also can lead to more walks and mistakes, or even just 3-0 pitches down the middle.
A surprising number of players do not challenge in hitter’s counts or even at all.
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@el-fiama-bianca_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@spyacht_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
i am totally agree with op and the size of the pci should become a stick to make it look like a real bat
It's already in the game... it's called wedge.
No, not really
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@gohardgrandpa said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
I don't use pinpoint. I've got a shaky right hand from nerve damage and when I use pinpoint it looks like someone gave a baby an etch a sketch.
Pinpoint has helped a ton of people. You see a lot of dots and painted corners now. It makes me feel better about being able to hit the ball decent when I know someone is using it.
Be grateful if you can use pinpoint, I use pulse and it blows but that's what I have to use to play the game. So I always have to get pitchers with really high control ratings
To me the fair criticism about pinpoint is you an actually have the tracing looking awful and still get a perfect release.
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I have always argued against more user input and less randomness because I knew this would happen. When I can paint corners with a silver pitcher just as well as a diamond pitcher while using PPP then the cards do not matter any longer. They might as well give all pitchers the same "per nines" as they have become meaningless. It does save me stubs though.
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@vipersneak_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
I have always argued against more user input and less randomness because I knew this would happen. When I can paint corners with a silver pitcher just as well as a diamond pitcher while using PPP then the cards do not matter any longer. They might as well give all pitchers the same "per nines" as they have become meaningless. It does save me stubs though.
This is exactly how I feel about the entire online portion of the game. Stats just don't matter other than SPEED. Speed is the only stat that seems to be obvious.
I have been trying to figure out the difference between competitive mode and simulation mode but can't seem to tell any difference because to use simulation mode you have to be offline and play the CPU. Online vs the CPU on competitive mode doesn't seem any different than offline in simulation mode.
As far as PPP, it needs to be a lot harder to throw a perfect pitch. All 3 stages should matter, not just the two release circles.
Bottom line - PPP is too easy for the results you get, make it harder, For example, with a level 99 pitcher, the pattern should be slow and easy, but with a level 55 pitcher it should be a lot faster and harder to accoplish.
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@buddyhightower_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@vipersneak_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
I have always argued against more user input and less randomness because I knew this would happen. When I can paint corners with a silver pitcher just as well as a diamond pitcher while using PPP then the cards do not matter any longer. They might as well give all pitchers the same "per nines" as they have become meaningless. It does save me stubs though.
This is exactly how I feel about the entire online portion of the game. Stats just don't matter other than SPEED. Speed is the only stat that seems to be obvious.
I have been trying to figure out the difference between competitive mode and simulation mode but can't seem to tell any difference because to use simulation mode you have to be offline and play the CPU. Online vs the CPU on competitive mode doesn't seem any different than offline in simulation mode.
As far as PPP, it needs to be a lot harder to throw a perfect pitch. All 3 stages should matter, not just the two release circles.
Bottom line - PPP is too easy for the results you get, make it harder, For example, with a level 99 pitcher, the pattern should be slow and easy, but with a level 55 pitcher it should be a lot faster and harder to accoplish.
I agree with this 100%
I think the best way to differentiate the pitchers would to have lower rated pitchers given much less leighway on the tracing/timing. Kinda like bad hitters have a really small PCI which = less room for error.
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- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
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@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
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@spyacht_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@el-fiama-bianca_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@spyacht_psn said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
i am totally agree with op and the size of the pci should become a stick to make it look like a real bat
It's already in the game... it's called wedge.
No, not really
https://i.imgur.com/t3uSaDw.jpgNot sure what [censored] game you're playing but that's not what I am playing lmao
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@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@locutusofburg said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
How can you work a pitcher if PPP allows someone to constantly spot low and away sliders?
Please refer to line-item #3 -- picking up on pitcher patterns.
Picking up on pitcher patterns does very little if every pitch is spotted on the low outside corner.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in PINPOINT pitching ruined this game:
- The most important part to consider: The hitter is trying to get on base, the pitcher wants an out. Both individuals have a right to winning and only one will come out on top.
- PinPoint is not a problem...could it be tweaked? Sure. But its not the biggest issue the game is facing.
- Pitchers have habits/patterns -- after a few innings, go to the pitch analysis to see what they are doing v lefty/righty hitters.
- You have to take pitches, especially when they are close to the black. The more pitches you see early, the more data is included in the pitching analysis. Plus the SP will eat pitches/burn energy.
- No your strengths and weakness -- I am pretty bad at working my PCI low to high, but good at working it high to low. So I tend to setup in the upper 1/2-1/3 of the strike zone.
- Shrink your strike zone: by half, by quadrants -- whatever fits the pitchers pattern.
- Be ok with not being right and do not force a swing unless down in the count. If I think a dude is going to pitch a high outside FB and they hit me with a low inside Slider that dots the lower corner...odds are I'm going to give him that pitch to live a little longer at the plate.
Finally, if you REALLY REALLY care enough to change the course of what your are upset with when playing online, PRACTICE. If you're sick of striking out on high and inside FB, go practice hitting high inside FB. Practicing to improve weaknesses is better than complaining to others to cater to your weaknesses.
Great points but all the things you listed are common sense approaches that a baseball player would make/take. This forum is 78% pimple poppers who want everything gift wrapped for them. That's why companies like SDS are fighting a never ending battle. They can adjust something 100% exactly what the cry babies are crying about but they wont even be happy or appreciate that adjustment. Instead they'll move on down their ladder of their cry baby list of complaints/demands. Stick to Fortnite and World of Warcraft.
